LPG filler point ⚠️ Petrol station Nightmare 🤬

[PeterE1947]

Sorry Sammy I cannot remember,but I will trawl through my emails to see where I bought it from.

 

[PeterE1947]

Hello Sammy, found the email from a seller on ebay,That was in 2018.

:Filler Lock Cap Standard Size Bayonet Item Number lpg lock cap. Contact info@lpggpl.com. It was 15.99 with P&P £20.19. That might be dearer now! ​

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[PeterE1947]

Just seen another one at this webpage https://lpgautosupplies.co.uk/shop/...sings/locking-filler-cap-for-bayonet-fillers/.

 

[3crispies]

Talking of filler caps.....The diesel filler cap on our van, like many, is vertical with a plastic strap to prevent loosing it. When I first got the vehicle I used to leave the key in the lock and fill up with the keys dangling in the cap. On one fill up, there was a 'Blup' and a small amount of diesel came out of the tank and over the cap.....and the keys. So the whole bunch was covered in the oily smelly stuff. It took some cleaning I can tell you. I now open the filler cap, lock the cap in mid air so I can take out the keys, then after filling, re-open the cap in mid air so I can refit the cap. I am sure there is a better way but can't think of one.

have blank key made just for this also stops keys scratching paintwork

 

[L' Hobo]

We had a serious problem in Spain. Stopped at a campsite and switched the fridge to gas. Igniting the gas also created a fire at the back of the van (Murvi Morello). Swift, but messy, action from the fire extinguisher put it out, with luckily no major problems (no melted pipes etc).
A brilliant response from Gaslow ( Sunday evening, a number of emails and a phone call), diagnosed BOTH seals - inlet and tank - had been contaminated and stuck open by grit. We'd filled up earlier that day from a main Spanish service station.
The external nozzle had frozen up with the escaping gas, so the gas was trapped inside the back of the van, and ignited when we fired up the fridge.
We now always check the external filler for gas leakage (soapy solution) every time we refill.... not a huge issue, but potentially a life saver.

Interesting, I too have a Murvi Morello and it came with the cover shown,at the top two, in post # 57.
Is this not sufficient to stop ingress of grit in the filler connection?

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[Markman]

There are 2 NRV’s (Non return valves) one in the filler point and another in the tank itself.
So any unprotected filler point can allow dirt / debris into these valves and can cause them not to seal.
So normally it’s only the filler point that gets stuck and this can often be cleared by refitting the filler gun and operating it a few times .
In this case they tied this but it wasn’t successful, also both NRV’s were obviously stuck open so now it’s going to empty the entire contents of the tank .
Eventually the vehicle was moved to a safer location and the owner was left alone with his leaking gas, I managed to get him sorted remotely by phone so he could get home.

When leading HAZOPs (Hazard And OPerability study)/LOPA (layer of protection analysis) studies to demonstrate that the risks (in a refinery unit, chemical plant, etc) have been reduced to ALARP (As Low As is Reasonably Practicable) we need figures for the PFD (probability of failure on demand) for all safety critical equipment (SCE). NRVs are lousy, usually run to failure. They are only allowed a figure of 0.1 per year, or one failure per 10 years, IF they have a well documented inspection and repair schedule of once per 4 years.

Reality shows this is conservative because we don't get (to hear about) that many leaks, like this one.

But it does mean we need to avoid sources of ignition if it does start to leak - so don't start the engine whatever you do, just evacuate and hope for a windy day.

 

[RV72 SAM 🏴]

Just seen another one at this webpage https://lpgautosupplies.co.uk/shop/...sings/locking-filler-cap-for-bayonet-fillers/.

Hi Pete, Yes I found that one in the end thanku Still doesn't help the fact of leaving your cap lying around. As I wouldn't leave the ignition key attached to it, prob my spare hab/house key ring in my pocket. Just pondering on if anyone would stoop low enough to nick the cap if I just decide to attach a rubber strap to cap instead to dangle down ! ! !

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Hi Pete, Yes I found that one in the end thanku Still doesn't help the fact of leaving your cap lying around. As I wouldn't leave the ignition key attached to it, prob my spare hab/house key ring in my pocket. Just pondering on if anyone would stoop low enough to nick the cap if I just decide to attach a rubber strap to cap instead to dangle down ! ! !

If its loose someone will nick it.

 

[RV72 SAM 🏴]

have blank key made just for this also stops keys scratching paintwork

I do exactly the same, just a habit I spose, always pre-lock cap remove key and put on passenger seat (not step) as you can gorget it there. Spare key would been ok if it was locker key, as keep a spare in my pocket. Don't want to many ignition key's hangng about (literally) that's asking for trouble

 

[Pausim]

That’s unusual I was under the impression that Shell had taken the LPG pumps off their forecourts, they have down in Swansea.

Not all Shell forecourts are owned by Shell and there are a few operated by others still selling LPG.

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[RV72 SAM 🏴]

We've got 3 all within a 3 mile radius of each other, 2 Independents cheap @ 75pish and a fuel station RP Off @ 99p a litre. These are great as just off major routes like M6/M54 so top up on way home in Cannock Staffs

 

[Valemail]

Interesting, I too have a Murvi Morello and it came with the cover shown,at the top two, in post # 57.
Is this not sufficient to stop ingress of grit in the filler connection?

We have the bayonet cap, always replaced after filling. It was this that allowed the ice build-up and so effectively sealed any external venting of the leaking gas. Needless to say, we only spotted the iced up cap after the fire. Gaslow suggested it was probably dirt blown into the system from a dirty filling station nozzle. As I mentioned, we'd filled with gas earlier that day.

 

[Minxy]

We had a serious problem in Spain. Stopped at a campsite and switched the fridge to gas. Igniting the gas also created a fire at the back of the van (Murvi Morello). Swift, but messy, action from the fire extinguisher put it out, with luckily no major problems (no melted pipes etc).
A brilliant response from Gaslow ( Sunday evening, a number of emails and a phone call), diagnosed BOTH seals - inlet and tank - had been contaminated and stuck open by grit. We'd filled up earlier that day from a main Spanish service station.
The external nozzle had frozen up with the escaping gas, so the gas was trapped inside the back of the van, and ignited when we fired up the fridge.
We now always check the external filler for gas leakage (soapy solution) every time we refill.... not a huge issue, but potentially a life saver.

We have the bayonet cap, always replaced after filling. It was this that allowed the ice build-up and so effectively sealed any external venting of the leaking gas. Needless to say, we only spotted the iced up cap after the fire. Gaslow suggested it was probably dirt blown into the system from a dirty filling station nozzle. As I mentioned, we'd filled with gas earlier that day.

Does this mean you don't have any drop vents in your gas locker?

 

[L' Hobo]

Does this mean you don't have any drop vents in your gas locker?

That was my first thought from the description but, then again, I have 2 large ones in my Murvi?

 

[bigtree]

Pretty cheap in the Bermigham area.

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[Valemail]

That was my first thought from the description but, then again, I have 2 large ones in my Murvi?

There are drop vents in the gas locker, but the gas was leaking from the filler nozzle, which is at the rear of the van near the fridge. There was obviously a build-up of gas just inside the rear doors, which was ignited when we switched the fridge to gas. Flames coming up above the edge of the worktop - pretty scary!

 

[L' Hobo]

There are drop vents in the gas locker, but the gas was leaking from the filler nozzle, which is at the rear of the van near the fridge. There was obviously a build-up of gas just inside the rear doors, which was ignited when we switched the fridge to gas. Flames coming up above the edge of the worktop - pretty scary!

Scary indeed but don't you have 2 vents in the door behind the fridge and 2 more holes in the floor?
I have in my 2007 Murvi Morello?
Edit: Thinking about it, the rear of my fridge is sealed off completely from the surrounding area and there is both vents in the van door and floor so, in theory, no ignition should have been possible from around the filler/main fresh water tank unless one opened the back door.
Perhaps more investigation of what caused the fire is needed??

 

[rod_vw]

There are several around Shropshire, Staffordshire. Filled up Thursday at Wem 82p, Proper Brass screw cap on mine with a Chrome lockable cover. It should technically be replaced by a new one. I wonder if the new one would be of the same quality?

LPG available at Watling Street Grange 9.00am to 7.00pm every day at 57p / litre (surcharge on fillings below 10 litres).

May I ask who it was in Wem please?

 

[jongood]

LPG available at Watling Street Grange 9.00am to 7.00pm every day at 57p / litre (surcharge on fillings below 10 litres).

May I ask who it was in Wem please?

Robinson and Young ( the one that used to be a motorcycle dealer)

 

[Valemail]

Scary indeed but don't you have 2 vents in the door behind the fridge and 2 more holes in the floor?
I have in my 2007 Murvi Morello?
Edit: Thinking about it, the rear of my fridge is sealed off completely from the surrounding area and there is both vents in the van door and floor so, in theory, no ignition should have been possible from around the filler/main fresh water tank unless one opened the back door.
Perhaps more investigation of what caused the fire is needed??

I think you're right L'Hobo. Hard to check now, as we sold the van earlier this year, and have a compressor fridge in our new one! Whatever the cause, it happened because both non- return valves were leaking, so our learning point is to always check the filler nozzle for leaks after refilling the bottle.

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[rod_vw]

LPG available at Watling Street Grange 9.00am to 7.00pm every day at 57p / litre (surcharge on fillings below 10 litres).

May I ask who it was in Wem please?

ERROR - ERROR

That should read 75p - sorry for the duff info.

jongood - Thanks for the info about Robinson & Young (Renault Dealers) @ Wem, I know them well.

 

[jongood]

ERROR - ERROR

That should read 75p - sorry for the duff info.

jongood - Thanks for the info about Robinson & Young (Renault Dealers) @ Wem, I know them well.

Now you tell me, Ive just arrived there

Seriously I thought that was too good to be true.

 

[rod_vw]

Now you tell me, Ive just arrived there

Seriously I thought that was too good to be true.

Sorry for the error, finger trouble I am afraid!

The opening times are particularly attractive at 09:00hrs to 19:00hrs seven days per week.

 

[Minxy]

There are drop vents in the gas locker, but the gas was leaking from the filler nozzle, which is at the rear of the van near the fridge. There was obviously a build-up of gas just inside the rear doors, which was ignited when we switched the fridge to gas. Flames coming up above the edge of the worktop - pretty scary!

If ever there was a case to show why fillers should always be external your experience surely shows why.