Leisure battery not holding charge - 2 years old!

AGM batteries are like marmite.
In my case, I've had 2x95AH AGM Alpha batteries for 3 years and still going strong. So effectively 95A.
Have been below 50% on 2 occasions, both my fault.
Had fridge/freezer on for 24 hours before a trip pulling 2.2Ah
and hadn't had EHU at home connected, then first 2 days hardly any sun and it was September.
2nd occasion, September the following year; bit of a heatwave but very little sunshine; we were using everything we normally use and the Maxfan at 50% most of one day.
Should have kept an eye on usage.
When expire will go over to single 300A Lithium.
Will approximately tripple capacity.
Trouble is they do need to be fully charged as soon as possible after any discharge cycle. easier if you have plenty of solar. If they stay in a partial state of charge for any length of time they will sulphate, so gradually loose capacity.

Most folk don't notice this capacity reduction so are happy, but if you were to do a proper capacity check, you might find that 95AH has become 70AH, so when you use 95AH expecting to be at 50%, you may actualy be discharging to a lower % than you think, alternatively if judged on voltage, you might find 50% is reached quicker than in the past!

Our AGM 4*185AH bank lasted two years, and then I found it had lost significant capacity. Whilst OK on small loads like the lights or water pump they couldn't handle anything big like a small microwave, so were replaced. 2 other of the same type went west in much the same period that were used on a thruster installation. All attributed to periods of time left at partial state of charge, or incomplete charging. We had no solar, and if away for 6 or seven weeks it was unlikely they would get a full charge unless we visited a marina. Tehy would take hours with the generator to fully charge (the last 20% odd), so not practical.
 
Well, from being 8.7v at 9.30 this morning, I drove to the dealer about 20 miles away. They tested the battery 100% health/100% state of charge - 12.7v!!.
How exactly are you measuring the '8.7V'? Is it using a multimeter with the probes on the actual battery terminals, or maybe using the display panel readout? Is it possible the battery is fine but there are some dodgy connections somewhere?

And if your battery is a Numax DC25MF, it is a standard flooded lead acid battery, NOT an AGM battery.
 
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I agrree with Jim AGM are best at the scrapie, I had two that both failed in 18 months.
Best at the scrapie?
How exactly are you measuring the '8.7V'? Is it using a multimeter with the probes on the actual battery terminals, or maybe using the display panel readout? Is it possible the battery is fine but there are some dodgy connections somewhere?

And if your battery is a Numax DC25MF, it is a standard flooded lead acid battery, NOT an AGM battery.
Yes it was display panel readout and now appreciate I have lead acid. Been reading excellent Fogstar blog this morning. Looks like this might fit sideways under seat:

Drift ECO 100Ah 12V Leisure Battery​

Thanks to all.
 
Best at the scrapie?

Yes it was display panel readout and now appreciate I have lead acid. Been reading excellent Fogstar blog this morning. Looks like this might fit sideways under seat:

Drift ECO 100Ah 12V Leisure Battery​

Thanks to all.
I've got a 280Ah Drift under my Ducato driver's seat... It was a bugbear to get in. And there isn't much room for anything else. Just a shunt and a busbar.

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Trouble is they do need to be fully charged as soon as possible after any discharge cycle. easier if you have plenty of solar. If they stay in a partial state of charge for any length of time they will sulphate, so gradually loose capacity.

Most folk don't notice this capacity reduction so are happy, but if you were to do a proper capacity check, you might find that 95AH has become 70AH, so when you use 95AH expecting to be at 50%, you may actualy be discharging to a lower % than you think, alternatively if judged on voltage, you might find 50% is reached quicker than in the past!

Our AGM 4*185AH bank lasted two years, and then I found it had lost significant capacity. Whilst OK on small loads like the lights or water pump they couldn't handle anything big like a small microwave, so were replaced. 2 other of the same type went west in much the same period that were used on a thruster installation. All attributed to periods of time left at partial state of charge, or incomplete charging. We had no solar, and if away for 6 or seven weeks it was unlikely they would get a full charge unless we visited a marina. Tehy would take hours with the generator to fully charge (the last 20% odd), so not practical.
Normally, with 300w solar going through a Victron mppt 100/30 and with our usually low usage when away (no inverter, microwave, air fryer etc) the batteries hardly ever get down below 65%.
At home this winter circumstances have prevented us getting away so I put the batteries on charge whenever they get down to around 70% although occasionally I am a bit slack and they get down to 55% or thereabouts.
 
Normally, with 300w solar going through a Victron mppt 100/30 and with our usually low usage when away (no inverter, microwave, air fryer etc) the batteries hardly ever get down below 65%.
At home this winter circumstances have prevented us getting away so I put the batteries on charge whenever they get down to around 70% although occasionally I am a bit slack and they get down to 55% or thereabouts.
Should be fine!
 
Normally, with 300w solar going through a Victron mppt 100/30 and with our usually low usage when away (no inverter, microwave, air fryer etc) the batteries hardly ever get down below 65%.
At home this winter circumstances have prevented us getting away so I put the batteries on charge whenever they get down to around 70% although occasionally I am a bit slack and they get down to 55% or thereabouts.
It's a time thing more than a discharge level thing. When a battery discharges, the plate materials (lead, lead oxide) turn into lead sulfate, in the form of a sludgy goo. When recharged, the lead sulfate goo turns back into lead/lead oxide. This is the normal charge-discharge cycle of a lead-acid battery.

If the lead sulfate goo is left for a long time (a few weeks) it starts to crystallise, and the crystals can't be turned back into the plate materials again, so the battery loses capacity. The best strategy to avoid sulfation is to charge to 100% every month or so, to clear out any possible sulfate crystals.
 
Should be fine!
Usage during the winter has been lights on every disk till dawn under the van and in the engine bay, rodent repellent.
They pull approx 1 amp.
Also, regularly have the diesel heater on and when running steady it pulls 1.2A.
That adds up over a few days so in the absence of sunshine I put them on charge.
 
It's a time thing more than a discharge level thing. When a battery discharges, the plate materials (lead, lead oxide) turn into lead sulfate, in the form of a sludgy goo. When recharged, the lead sulfate goo turns back into lead/lead oxide. This is the normal charge-discharge cycle of a lead-acid battery.

If the lead sulfate goo is left for a long time (a few weeks) it starts to crystallise, and the crystals can't be turned back into the plate materials again, so the battery loses capacity. The best strategy to avoid sulfation is to charge to 100% every month or so, to clear out any possible sulfate crystals.
Yes, typically in the winter I charge back to 100% usually once a week.

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I had three Numax 110ah lead acid on the RV and all worked well until I left inverter turned on whilst in extended hospital visit........ Two are now scrap and one has recovered.
Quite disappointed that one flattening has killed them. My own fault obviously.
 

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