Is there a fIne for having no MOT when off the road, but no SORN?

[Barclaybasher]

Good luck

Thanks - Passed !

Now got to find the V5 as I Sorned it last week and can't use the reminder ............

nicholsong ....you might as well SORN it now as you will have no choice when the tax runs out

 

[TheBig1]

As you are registering the vehicle in Poland, send the V5 log book back as exported as of today. No problem then as the vehicle is mid registration transfer

 

[Northernraider]

Well the answers differ about whether there is an offence and creates an automatic fine.

It also raises the question of who is 'they' that would issue a fine because, as one poster points out the MOT is under the control od DVSA, but are they obliged to cross-check whether VED has been paid? Equally why would DVLA be involved in fining for a breach of rules governed by DVSA? [DVLA's website directs any questions on MOT to DVSA]

I would ensure DVLA know the vehicle is off the road before MOT expires(it is the extended date coming up). Maybe I have to tell DVSA also?

Two posters have had letters from DVLA. If they know the vehicle is off the road, but cannot be SORNED I wonder what their letter to me would say.

[For Barsteward. Got tax covered as it is due 5 days before MOT expires]

A tangled web.

Geoff

Many replies about SORNING my vehicle in Poland have ignored the fact that by law the vehicle must be in the UK to do it, so I cannot.

Geoff

You can
They do not know where it is and probably do not care as any offence committed using the vehicle outside the UK isn't their concern really.

I would just sorn it and deal with the mot later. Unless you plan to re register it in poland in which case i would just notify DVLA of permanent export

 

[barsteward]

It is a fallacy that using a motor vehicle on a road without having a valid Mot and not taxed will invalidate the Insurance that is in place.
It may be reduced from whatever it is, (ie fully comp. Third party fire and theft or whatever) to the absolute minimum required to comply with legislation but the driver will have legal Insurance.

If travelling from the Balkans to the uk without Tax and MOT (which is semantics with regards to insurances) your thing so be it.
I merely tried to point out the law in the uk. I have no knowledge of the European law with regard to whether or not you would be legal to travel through Europe with none of the legal requirements of a UK registered vehicle.
I was not trying to provoke an argument. I was in fact trying to be helpful,

I obviously failed miserably.

 

[Gerby]

Whilst this is no use to your situation in Poland, here is a direct quote for vehicles in the UK ref MOT and vehicle being on the road. Please note the use of the words "being used" and how that may (or may not) be interpreted:

Report a vehicle with no MOT
Broken Link Removed to report a car, van, motorcycle or other vehicle that does not have an MOT.
You can only report a vehicle with no MOT to the police if it’s being used on a road.
You need the vehicle’s:

• number plate (registration number)
• make and model
• colour
• location

If the vehicle is abandoned the police cannot deal with it. You need to report abandoned vehicles to your local council.

The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) and the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA)
Cannot take action against a vehicle with no MOT.

What happens next
The police will investigate your report and the driver may get a fine. The maximum fine is £1,000.

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[pappajohn]

Failed MOT Nov 2019. Thinking I would repair it sooner than I did I left the DD for the tax in place.

Tax expired 31/10/2020 - letter from DVLA - MOT it and tax it or SORN it

Gone for MOT today

Yes, because the tax expired... No mot, no tax... So either sorn or get it mot tested so you CAN tax it.
Other than checking for validity of the mot and insurance neither are a DVLA concern.

 

[nicholsong]

As you are registering the vehicle in Poland, send the V5 log book back as exported as of today. No problem then as the vehicle is mid registration transfer

Unfortunately there are major problems re-registering a RHD vehicle in Poland and from 1st Jan it is said that it will not be possible at all. That is why I am hedging my bets by covering the situation with its current UK registration.

Geoff

 

[Barclaybasher]

Yes, because the tax expired... No mot, no tax... So either sorn or get it mot tested so you CAN tax it.
Other than checking for validity of the mot and insurance neither are a DVLA concern.

How does that help the OP ?

 

[Emmit]

If travelling from the Balkans to the uk without Tax and MOT (which is semantics with regards to insurances) your thing so be it.
I merely tried to point out the law in the uk. I have no knowledge of the European law with regard to whether or not you would be legal to travel through Europe with none of the legal requirements of a UK registered vehicle.
I was not trying to provoke an argument. I was in fact trying to be helpful,

I obviously failed miserably.

We aren't having an argument. You were trying to be helpful. No worries.

 

[frogijock]

If the MOT is not due for a month or two, can you not SORN it for a couple of weeks, then re-tax it before MOT and insurance expires, thus giving you a bit of breathing space and allowing you to get the van here

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[nicholsong]

If the MOT is not due for a month or two, can you not SORN it for a couple of weeks, then re-tax it before MOT and insurance expires, thus giving you a bit of breathing space and allowing you to get the van here

Tax expires before MOT so i can re-tax it anyway, but as I said in my OP by law I am not allowed out of the house. I was just asking if there is an offence of no MOT unless SORNed.

Geoff

 

[tonyidle]

Tax expires before MOT so i can re-tax it anyway, but as I said in my OP by law I am not allowed out of the house. I was just asking if there is an offence of no MOT unless SORNed.

Geoff

SORN was part of the 'continuous road tax' legislation. The law states that if it isn't taxed then it must be SORNed. As far as I'm aware the MoT and SORN are unconnected.