Is my MH the oldest on here!

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Nearly right David It is a 1990 . Still going strong. But sorry to say we will not be going to Malvern this year My boss has talked me into going to Lanzergrottie For a month. Oh well We hope to see you next year
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That’s OK Mike, I was running low on Glenratspiss anyway......
 
Hymie said:
Mine is a 1991 Hymer B564 and Wildbill's is a 1989, a Dethlefs I believe.

Bill's is currently wending its way to Spain and our antique will be meandering around Portugal come September, but I don't believe they are the oldest either by a long way.

Hymie
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We are just north of Bordeaux and should cross the border in to Spain any time soon within the next few days.
But who knows depends which way the wind takes us
bill
 
That is ok DuxDeluxe . I have just got a nice bottle of scotch from Germany . will try to bring a nice one back from Lanzergrottie. And Wildbill We hope you are having fun. Hope to see you soon.
 
hilldweller said:
What is really great is it is not overloaded with the excessive modern electronic crap that infests new motors.
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I couldn`t agree more. SWMBO`s new Nissan has "lane departure" (switched off permanently). "Stop/Start" which is a nuisance/ PITA and if you switch it off, it comes back next time you start up. Grrrrrr!. The Parking Sensors are OK until (Like they did) they fail and you hit something!. Seat Belt warnings!,!!! Piss me off every-time I want to move the `van a few yards or put it up on blocks. Engine Management systems that need a degree in computing to do a simple service or even change the bloody oil!. And woha betide if you take a vehicle for an MOT with any Dash Light showing!. Instant fail even though half of it is "advisory". No wonder decent cheap motors are being Scrapped. Nothing wrong with them except the cost of putting right a few errors at hundrds of pounds of "computer" time. IN my view one of the biggest "rip offs" of the age. ie £80+vat to erase an SRS error (MOT Fail) due to a plug being unplugged to remove the seat!!.

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PeteH said:
I couldn`t agree more. SWMBO`s new Nissan has "lane departure" (switched off permanently). "Stop/Start" which is a nuisance/ PITA and if you switch it off, it comes back next time you start up. Grrrrrr!. The Parking Sensors are OK until (Like they did) they fail and you hit something!. Seat Belt warnings!,!!! Piss me off every-time I want to move the `van a few yards or put it up on blocks. Engine Management systems that need a degree in computing to do a simple service or even change the bloody oil!. And woha betide if you take a vehicle for an MOT with any Dash Light showing!. Instant fail even though half of it is "advisory". No wonder decent cheap motors are being Scrapped. Nothing wrong with them except the cost of putting right a few errors at hundrds of pounds of "computer" time. IN my view one of the biggest "rip offs" of the age. ie £80+vat to erase an SRS error (MOT Fail) due to a plug being unplugged to remove the seat!!.
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I agree but the problem isn't the complexity of the electronics - it's the price charged to replace very cheap to manufacture modules. I doubt there's a piece of electronics on any modern vehicle that costs more than a tenner to manufacture. Most will cost less than half that.
 
PeteH said:
I couldn`t agree more. SWMBO`s new Nissan has "lane departure" (switched off permanently). "Stop/Start" which is a nuisance/ PITA and if you switch it off, it comes back next time you start up. Grrrrrr!. The Parking Sensors are OK until (Like they did) they fail and you hit something!. Seat Belt warnings!,!!! Piss me off every-time I want to move the `van a few yards or put it up on blocks. Engine Management systems that need a degree in computing to do a simple service or even change the bloody oil!. And woha betide if you take a vehicle for an MOT with any Dash Light showing!. Instant fail even though half of it is "advisory". No wonder decent cheap motors are being Scrapped. Nothing wrong with them except the cost of putting right a few errors at hundrds of pounds of "computer" time. IN my view one of the biggest "rip offs" of the age. ie £80+vat to erase an SRS error (MOT Fail) due to a plug being unplugged to remove the seat!!.
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Stop/start .....hmmm let's see, most wear caused to an engine is when you start it up, so let's introduce a green button to stop it running and cause more engine wear and sell more cars.....brilliant piece of greenwash. Good luck in getting any car salesperson to inform you if the main bearings etc in the engine have been re-enforced to account for this extra greenwash stop/start wear.. :doh:

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MR. FUSION said:
most wear caused to an engine is when you start it up
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It used to be - but only on choke with a carb. Shouldn't make any difference to a modern engine. The starter itself is a weak point but some (maybe most?) stop/start systems use a better starter or even a combined starter/generator. I agree the system is a pain though.
 
tonyidle said:
It used to be - but only on choke with a carb. Shouldn't make any difference to a modern engine. The starter itself is a weak point but some (maybe most?) stop/start systems use a better starter or even a combined starter/generator. I agree the system is a pain though.
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Nope I dont think that is the case.

However, in a vehicle with start-stop system this effect can necessitate new technological solutions to avoid premature bearing wear, depending on the driving cycle. Consequently, future engines for start-stop applications need to be designed for 250,000 to 300,000 starts. Traditional bearing shells with aluminum or copper lining show severe wear after only 100,000 cycles.

One of the technological solutions appears to be dry polymers bonded onto the bearings.
 
Starters in general have changed a lot. Modern starter motors use pm motors and lower internal gearing (and a lot less current). The start/stop (MHD) Smart car uses a combined alternafor/starter.
 
MR. FUSION said:
Stop/start .....hmmm let's see, most wear caused to an engine is when you start it up, so let's introduce a green button to stop it running and cause more engine wear and sell more cars.....brilliant piece of greenwash. Good luck in getting any car salesperson to inform you if the main bearings etc in the engine have been re-enforced to account for this extra greenwash stop/start wear.. :doh:
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Mrs mikebeaches had a 2006 Citroen C3 eco with stop-start - surprisingly, one of the first cars in the UK it was available on. More than 13 years later my son is still running around happily in the very same car. During that time the stop-start has had to have one repair. Engine is perfectly fine.

My Fiat X290 camper, ten years newer (2016), still has no stop-start.

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I can well see that engine wear using a "stop-start" system would be increased. Unlike Marine engines, where the oil is supplied via external pumps, the engine stops and so does the oil supply. In combination over hundreds of cycles this would more likely cause increased wear. Luckily, SWMBO`s cars are on a 3 year rolling lease. Any problem will become someone elses, sad but true. BTW. I have just dicovered that if you disable the switch under the bonnet which allows the engine to run during servicing. It will never stop/start?, it fools the the engine into believing the bonnet is open. I wonder how many car that would work on?
 
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At 2003 hang on to it for many the best years were late 90's to 2004/5 after 2006 the quality on many dropped dramatically

I also thing the 2.8jtd fiat engine with remodelled 5 speed box is a better hardier and cheaper to maintain/repair than the newer ones.
I went back from a 2008 fiat to a 2004 and find it much better
 

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