Is it legal for a passenger to walk about while motorhome is in motion?

[Lenny HB]

Haven't looked at this thread for few days, flipping heck it's got dragged out.

Did remind me used to think nothing of driving around Brighton supping from a can of Watneys Party Four (couldn't hold a party 7 when driving) when I was a 20 year old.

Not sure which was the worst offence, driving while drinking or drinking Watneys.

 

[KiltedCamper]

Good for you and I agree with most of what you write, but you still haven't answered the question about your statement that 'MANY children were killed in Coach crashes in the 90's'?
A small number, may have been, but not MANY!

How many is many is too many? Statistically I accept that it doesn't look like a lot of deaths, but if my daughter had been one of the victims, I would count that as too many.

On 18 November 1993, a minibus carrying 14 pupils from Hagley Roman Catholic High School collided with a stationary maintenance vehicle on the M40 motorway near Warwick. Twelve children and their teacher, who was driving, died in the crash, making it one of the worst road accidents involving schoolchildren in the UK. Wikipedia+3BBC News+3BBC+3Wikipedia​

In May 2010, a coach carrying schoolchildren was involved in a collision on the A66 near Keswick, Cumbria. Three people died, and four others were critically injured. The incident involved a school coach, a minibus, and a car. BBC News+6The Independent+6ITVX+6

On 29 September 2023, a school bus overturned on the M53 motorway in Wirral, resulting in the deaths of the driver and a 15-year-old student. The crash occurred when the driver collapsed at the wheel. Wikipedia+1ITVX+1

 

[L' Hobo]

How many is many is too many? Statistically I accept that it doesn't look like a lot of deaths, but if my daughter had been one of the victims, I would count that as too many.

On 18 November 1993, a minibus carrying 14 pupils from Hagley Roman Catholic High School collided with a stationary maintenance vehicle on the M40 motorway near Warwick. Twelve children and their teacher, who was driving, died in the crash, making it one of the worst road accidents involving schoolchildren in the UK. Wikipedia+3BBC News+3BBC+3Wikipedia​

In May 2010, a coach carrying schoolchildren was involved in a collision on the A66 near Keswick, Cumbria. Three people died, and four others were critically injured. The incident involved a school coach, a minibus, and a car. BBC News+6The Independent+6ITVX+6

On 29 September 2023, a school bus overturned on the M53 motorway in Wirral, resulting in the deaths of the driver and a 15-year-old student. The crash occurred when the driver collapsed at the wheel. Wikipedia+1ITVX+1

We all know that 1 death is one too many but, in mitigation for the Coach industry, the major accident in 93 was a School owned Mini-Bus and driven by a non PSV trained TEACHER who had been working all day and nothing to do with any Professional Coach Company.
The School was held responsible!

The second was cause by another vehicle and the Coach driver trying to avoid that vehicle.

The third by the driver having a heart attack at the wheel, how is that bad driving?

3 children (+ 2 drivers) in 32+years.

When one considers the MILLIONS of miles, in traffic, rain, sleet and snow, Coaches Drivers travel each year, that's REALLY impressive and NOT the "many, many" children killed you mentioned.

 

[PaulW2]

The is a US-sourced graph, but the relative risk pattern is pretty clear. Coaches are extremely safe. Maybe not as safe in countries where they periodically fall off mountain passes, but for most of us maybe 50 times safer than being in a car.

 

[WESTY66]

It was a generalisation. You very rarely see a biker not breaking some law or other..

As a biker I totally agree with you

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[eddie]

I am not sure if this .gov document helps at all. I still hold the view that if a police officer wanted to take action they would. It might or might not get thrown out by CPS or the court, but it's not a risk I wish to test!

Well we've established that some are scared to take risks

I accept that if I misgenderd a he/she/it on line the police may take action and I'd have several at my door

Having a quick wee on a straight stretch of the M5?

Probably not

 

[busby]

Even if I had a co-driver, I don’t think I would risk going to the loo while it’s in motion.

Can you imagine the embarrassment if you were rear ended

And you cant flush it.
BUSBY.

 

[busby]

There you go, from the Horses mouth not the neurotic safety Nannies

I played rugby
I was a Scuba instructor regularly plus 50m wreck dives
I smoked
I drink loads
I drive too fast, and bought sports cars to drive really fast on the Autobahn
I eat Peanuts
I light bonfires with Petrol
I used to climb tree's
I jump off walls
I like going in ruined buildings
I like going to area's abroad I'm told to "steer well clear of"
I tend not to turn the electric off when changing an appliance
I've worked with power tools all my life
I go up ladders
I stand on the very top of step ladders

I mention this as at 64 years old I have listened all my life to people telling me that "I shouldn't" when they normally mean they would be scared to do it themselves

No..they are sensible..you have been lucky.BUSBY.

 

[Zentex]

It conceivable could. The average adult at 70kg travelling at 70mph and coming to a dead stop has an effective weight of almost 70 imperial tons. Imagine that hitting you while walking across the road!, or even in the vehicle beyond the one that that you have just crashed into.

This site is quite interesting. https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/car-crash-force

Wish I weighed the same as the average adult I think my kinetic energy would be closer to 100 tons !

 

[dunnah01]

Well we've established that some are scared to take risks

I accept that if I misgenderd a he/she/it on line the police may take action and I'd have several at my door

Having a quick wee on a straight stretch of the M5?

Probably not

I bet you even carry on using 10.1 year-old tyres and gas tanks ya rebel

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[our poppy llll]

This brings a more important question to bear..if it is illegal and dangerous to walk about a moving Moho and if caught, the cops drag you kicking and screaming from the habitation onto the hard shoulder and beat you to a pulp with baseball bats! Is it also illegal and dangerous to ride a horse facing backwards? What’s the penalty?..
For years I dreamed about riding a horse in the Grand Canyon, 3 days and nights camping out pretending I was a cowboy, yeah ha! 23 years ago, I got to the GeeGee rental station at the GC and put my foot in the stirrup, hauled my butt into the saddle, realised I’d got on facing the wrong way, but worse still, i kept going and I slid off the other side of the horse , the real cowboy said, “Sir have you ever rode a horse before”? Of course I said, no! He said. “Sir come back in a few years after you’ve had some lessons”..