Is 36p a kw expensive

[Lenny HB]

yes cheaper..
Octopus

Electricity

Daily standing charge	42.11p /day
Unit rate (day)	35.37p /kWh
Unit rate (night)	14.84p /kWh

it is cheaper, but we have an exit fee of £150 contract ends in May 24

Ouch! That's a big exit fee.

 

[Derbyshire wanderer]

Perhaps they should question the unit cost with their supplier......or perhaps they are ignoring the legalities.

Our charge at home.

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As a commercial site they will have very little chance of getting a domestic rate. All businesses are being crippled by the energy costs as they are so far away from the domestic rate that their customers are comparing against.

 

[WillH]

They'll be paying a business rate for their electricity which they pass to customers. The £4/night to cover infrastructure is their choice, if people are happy to pay it then they'll be happy to take their money.

 

[stevewagner]

In the UK you are not permitted to charge more than the electricity costs unless you are the provider.

Therefore it would appear Burnham Deepdale:

• They have their own hydroelectric turbine or nuclear power station at the bottom of the garden.
• They made the mistake of buying their electricity forward at a fixed rate and this is what their supplier is ripping them off at.
• They are illegally ripping off their guests and need to be reported to OffWatt

Think you mean Offgem

 

[scotjimland]

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[Otter Spotter]

Perhaps they should question the unit cost with their supplier......or perhaps they are ignoring the legalities.

Our charge at home.

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I think we are forgetting that they have to buy Electric at commercial rates, could be much higher than domestic rates Scotjimland beat me to it

 

[MisterB]

Just check the time period, mine is only 4 hours on Octopus. If you're getting 7 hours it might work out better?
With my 5kw inverter I can charge up to 20kw - which should enough for the other 20 hour period, with a bit of top up from solar.
If you get 7 hours you could get a lot more (if needed of course)

I use around 300w per hour on average so 20 X .3 = 6kw - then we use an electric powered heat pump/Air con - which uses @ 1kw (more when it gets cold) so that's around 14kw daily, hence my need for around 20kw per day (mid Oct to mid March)

My storage heaters are charging for 7 hours - 4 of which are at off peak rate - though most of their 'charge' is in the first four hours thankfully.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's important to know your 'needs' before spending a lot of money as you might not need to spend as much as you think to make a worthwhile reduction.

 

[gus-lopez]

36p a kw metered ehu is this expensive?

It is to me.

They also want an extra £4.00 for a pitch with a meter

Now that is taking the pee.

All businesses are being crippled by the energy costs as they are so far away from the domestic rate that their customers are comparing against.

AS have asked before ,why is there any difference? Like saying trucks should pay more or less for road fuel?
Today I am paying 5cents for the cheapest hour & 15c for the dearest hour .with a standing charge of 9€/year approx.Think I'll stick with spain

 

[Soycd]

We saw prices of between 50cent to €1 per KWH on stelplatz/sosta in the summer, or free. The £4 bit sounds pretty expensive. We stayed on a few campsites in Croatia and they were all fixed rate at about €5/6 a day.

 

[Howard B]

Just check the time period, mine is only 4 hours on Octopus. If you're getting 7 hours it might work out better?
With my 5kw inverter I can charge up to 20kw - which should enough for the other 20 hour period, with a bit of top up from solar.
If you get 7 hours you could get a lot more (if needed of course)

I use around 300w per hour on average so 20 X .3 = 6kw - then we use an electric powered heat pump/Air con - which uses @ 1kw (more when it gets cold) so that's around 14kw daily, hence my need for around 20kw per day (mid Oct to mid March)

My storage heaters are charging for 7 hours - 4 of which are at off peak rate - though most of their 'charge' is in the first four hours thankfully.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's important to know your 'needs' before spending a lot of money as you might not need to spend as much as you think to make a worthwhile reduction.

Your 5kw inverter is better than mine, i can only get 12kwh in 4 hours.

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[Bleau’s]

Having recently retired from owning a holiday park , in June we was on 56p a unit plus vat and a large availability charge based on your supply capacity so in summer it when full it was not to bad but in quiet periods with minimal use age it cost a fortune per unit and all parks have to have there electric points tested yearly so it can not be worked out just by unit costs

 

[MisterB]

Your 5kw inverter is better than mine, i can only get 12kwh in 4 hours.

Which is why I changed my original inverter, I did the sums and they didn't add up with the smaller inverter. An 8kw might have been better but was overkill for 9/10 months of the year.
I'm not saying I've got everything right yet though .....

 

[Derbyshire wanderer]

It is to me.

Now that is taking the pee.

AS have asked before ,why is there any difference? Like saying trucks should pay more or less for road fuel?
Today I am paying 5cents for the cheapest hour & 15c for the dearest hour .with a standing charge of 9€/year approx.Think I'll stick with spain

But trucks pay a lot more road tax that is not spent on the roads. Probably like the income tax in that those with the ability to earn more are charged more.
I am not saying it’s right but clearly as above, businesses are charged more so cannot compete with what we pay at home.

 

[Ed Pirates]

That’s roughly what I pay for my business electric although my domestic rate is less

 

[Brains]

This thread makes me chuckle, on other threads people were saying if they didn't use electric the pitch should be cheaper now in this thread its the opposite argument.....

Sooner of later all pitches will have two prices.

Pitch only.
Pitch plus electricity.

More and more caravan owners will be arriving in EV's, and EV's need charging.
Any site owner currently that does not have metered electricity (or is not planning for it to be fitted in the near future) is burying their head in the sand.

Eventually all regular pitches will have metered electricity.

A bit like the sites that had to install a tap with clean water back in the 1950's, or the sites that expected cooking over an open fire in the 1930's


(I have a letter sent 'home' by my mother in 1951.
She was on a camping trip in France and they got very severely reprimanded on a French campsite, as they lit a fire to cook on in front of their tent, the owner said they had to cook on a campinggaz stove. She had never even seen a gas powered camping stove at the time, they were not available in the UK.

Luckily they manged to borrow a Primus off another English couple with strict instructions to post it back on their return!
But they were most indignant that the French had camp sites where no open fires were permitted.
Imagine! what would they think of next? Electric powered cooking ?)

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[Coolcats]

Sooner of later all pitches will have two prices.

Pitch only.
Pitch plus electricity.

More and more caravan owners will be arriving in EV's, and EV's need charging.
Any site owner currently that does not have metered electricity (or is not planning for it to be fitted in the near future) is burying their head in the sand.

Eventually all regular pitches will have metered electricity.

A bit like the sites that had to install a tap with clean water back in the 1950's, or the sites that expected cooking over an open fire in the 1930's


(I have a letter sent 'home' by my mother in 1951.
She was on a camping trip in France and they got very severely reprimanded on a French campsite, as they lit a fire to cook on in front of their tent, the owner said they had to cook on a campinggaz stove. She had never even seen a gas powered camping stove at the time, they were not available in the UK.

Luckily they manged to borrow a Primus off another English couple with strict instructions to post it back on their return!
But they were most indignant that the French had camp sites where no open fire were permitted.
Imagine! what would they think of next? Electric powered cooking ?)

Primus a whole safety issue, I had flames coming out of the safety valve but held my nerve is it was cooking the pudding

 

[Howard B]

Which is why I changed my original inverter, I did the sums and they didn't add up with the smaller inverter. An 8kw might have been better but was overkill for 9/10 months of the year.
I'm not saying I've got everything right yet though .....

12kwh download is enough for our needs. Ill be sticking with the 5kw inverter we have.

 

[VXman]

36p a kw isn’t too bad but charging for the socket as well that’s taking the mick it’s obvious that site owners are trying all sorts of ideas to rake money off us One or the other but not charge both charges.

Must have cost a lot of money to fit meters so I guess they are just trying to recoup cost?

 

[VXman]

Sooner of later all pitches will have two prices.

Pitch only.
Pitch plus electricity.

More and more caravan owners will be arriving in EV's, and EV's need charging.

And more and more motorhomes don't need electric at all.

 

[Brains]

Primus a whole safety issue, I had flames coming out of the safety valve but held my nerve is it was cooking the pudding

Yes, I know!
I still have one up in the attic, wonderful bit of kit once you know how to use them.
But highly dangerous if you don't!

It's slightly odd that the Primus Stoves were the standard issue stoves used by Schools, Scouts, Cadets etc from the 1930's to the 1980's.
They were only replaced by the much safer and lighter and easier to use Trangia stove in the 1990's (invented in Sweden in the 1930's).
My Trangia is still in regular use.

Two of the best meals ever were cooked on a primus stove.
One was 1984 at 3.900m in the Pyrenees, steak with gratin potatoes and all the trimmings, cooked by a 19 year old climber in the snow.
The other was 1999 on the Amazon. 4 days by dugout canoe from the nearest dirt track, fish with jungle fruit jelly, cooked for 15 people by a Swiss Michelin star chief on two Primus stoves in a reed hut.
If you know what you are doing, and have the ingredients, it's amazing what you can make.
(I do not have the skill unfortunately, never learnt even the basics of cooking)

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[Brains]

And more and more motorhomes don't need electric at all.

for now ........

The EV motorhome is just around the corner.
2-3 years max.

 

[Brains]

Must have cost a lot of money to fit meters so I guess they are just trying to recoup cost?

Yup.
That is not unreasonable.
If they can't make money for the electricity, they they have to make money from the supply of electricity.

In reality the rules need to be updated to encourage people to supply electricity, so that a statutory mark up of a maximum of say 10% over cost price can be changed.
A bit like 'minimum wage' it can be a a published figure that everyone is aware of.
If you over change then you get fined double what you overcharged.

It would then encourage those with free sources of power (such as owning a wind mill or water mill) to provide power to their local areas, rather than being told you have to set up as a registered supplier at a 6 figure cost before you can supply the house next door with £100 worth of electricity each year.

 

[EuroTrotters]

We paid €2 a kw in Germany

 

[Googlebot]

Business’s must be struggling with it.

I saw a post by an industrial farm place type unit, the electric costs last year got so ridiculous, it was cheaper for them to wire in 2 massive Cat generators running off diesel than to use the grid supply.

Whichever way you look at it, that is ridiculous!

What drives me nuts is that we are pulling back from wind and solar that will mean a stable and cheap supply with added gas and nuclear backup. Why it still isn’t in the building regs that solar and inverter systems with a battery storage must be mandatory is beyond me.

 

[Bleau’s]

The other thing to consider is VAT it is 5% on metered electric and 20% if it is sold has part of your pitch fee.

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[funflair]

2 vans on same pitches
They are next to each other
One plugged in one not
2 different rates.
Same pirch type

But my question was is 36p expensive as I have no idea

Seems the consensus is no

The pitches are £10 or £14 pn.looks like one van got free upgrade without leccy

My next thought is if you book.leccy and don't use any is there a minimum fee.?

I would think £4 is the minimum, seems fair to me.

 

[starquake]

Economy 7 ..

Our EDF account ..

Day rate: 40.72p per kWh Night rate: 20.68p per kWh

That sounds ridicolously high unless on a fix.

Octopus average 34p peak and 15 off peak for any economy 7 tariff on a non-smart meter, you would be advised to swap given you likely will save on both peak and offpeak.

^ is the UK nationwide tariff for a non-fixed new customer tariff.

If you plan to get an EV you can get even cheaper tariffs once you have one with a smart meter.
They are also no longer a "small" provider, they are bigger than Scottish power now, and EDF, and only British Gas is larger in size.

But I'd be happy with 34p on a campsite to be honest.

 

[starquake]

Ouch! That's a big exit fee.

I'd be actually tempted to pay it given the 5p a unit differential -> we use 500 units a month on average (and many on E7 will use MORE for heating in winter). 5p in the offpeak period and 3 months of 1000 unit usage (which wwasn't unusual in winter in my old E7 heated house) and the exit fee is easily paid off.

scotjimland I'd seriously look at your metered consumption last winter (ie, the 3 month Dec -> Feb period) as if it's over 1500 units for next 3 months the math says you would be better to pay the exit fee.

Worth noting if you get a referral to Octopus they'll also credit you £50 so the differential will be £100 so even better than above, you'd need to use more than 2000 units in total before next May to be cheaper. That should be trivial on most houses use.

 

[starquake]

We paid €2 a kw in Germany

Last year that was the expected peak rate. Not unusual, it's not that this year. And Germany is unique circumstances what with swapping Nuclear for coal in last year.

 

[scotjimland]

That sounds ridicolously high unless on a fix.

Fix ?

what does that mean ?

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