Interesting - Electric Campervan with 250 mile range

[VXman]

"all-wheel-drive via dual electric motors that serve up a combined output of 300 horsepower and 390 lb-ft of torque."

"you should be able to charge from almost zero to 80 percent — figure about 150-180 miles of range — in an hour on any Electrify America charger or other station putting out at least 150 kW."

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[dazandandrea]

Talk about trying to guilt you into going electric.
"No more guilt about spraying emissions all over the nature you're trying to enjoy."

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

Love it but way too early for many reasons. At $195,000 what would that really be in the UK
What sort of charging network is there for 8m vehicles, aren't they mainly car size bays at present?

 

[PaulyP]

Love it but way too early for many reasons. At $195,000 what would that really be in the UK
What sort of charging network is there for 8m vehicles, aren't they mainly car size bays at present?

And how many of those charging points will be available across the country !

 

[LesW]

It's all getting very silly..

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[MisterB]

I'm not convinced by the EV argument BUT development requires prototypes and concept vehicles, eventually the developers might get there and it might not be with lithium batteries. Keep on developing and pushing the envelope as far as I'm concerned, I don't have to buy an EV (yet ??)

 

[DavidG58]

I was reading a planning application for Wetherby services where there will be nearly 200 charging points including 50 for HGV, I can’t find the link to copy now though

The future for EV is under control after all and is coming quickly unless the unwilling block the upgrade of course

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

And how many of those charging points will be available across the country !

Not sure that is such an issue these days, but then I don't drive an EV , the problem is if you are 3m too long for them all, none are available
I thought this when Ford released quite a large electric Transit.

 

[DandJ]

I was reading a planning application for Wetherby services where there will be nearly 200 charging points including 50 for HGV, I can’t find the link to copy now though

The future for EV is under control after all and is coming quickly unless the unwilling block the upgrade of course

I like how EVs drive. Very easy.
The block will come from far too little electricity being produced in the UK. (We are currently...now, at this moment....importing 10% of our required energy, when the exporters (France at this time) own usage increases due to more and more EVs and ASHPs, they will inevitably have to stop exporting to us and will need it themselves...couple this with a loss of nuclear that's coming our way.

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

I like how EVs drive. Very easy.
The block will come from far too little electricity being produced in the UK. (We are currently...now, at this moment....importing 10% of our required energy, when the exporters (France at this time) own usage increases due to more and more EVs and ASHPs, they will inevitably have to stop exporting to us and will need it themselves...couple this with a loss of nuclear that's coming our way.

The windfarm that now enhances/blights the view out to sea where I live is French owned. I can never understand why the government grants permission for these to be built by another country. Yes, it would have cost a lot of money, but we need more power and it gives them a little opportunity to control energy prices rather than handing out money during an energy crisis.

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[Guigsy]

250 mile genuine range is just about useful. We're getting there. But $200k and it doesn't even have a wash room.

The windfarm that now enhances/blights the view out to sea where I live is French owned. I can never understand why the government grants permission for these to be built by another country.

It doesn't matter what nationality it is. The fact that it's owned by a company is the issue. Even if it was a British company, there'd still be little control over it.

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

250 mile genuine range is just about useful. We're getting there. But $200k and it doesn't even have a wash room.

It doesn't matter what nationality it is. The fact that it's owned by a company is the issue. Even if it was a British company, there'd still be little control over it.

Yes, I was implying the government should build it so they had some control over pricing rather than just hand out money when companies put prices up.
It made me laugh when the government wanted haulage companies to use the railways more, having privatised them years before they had no way of incentivising.

 

[Fontie]

That's 250 miles in perfect conditions, add a head wind, driving in a the depth's of winter that range will plumet

 

[funflair]

Basically it's an electric delivery van that that somebody has lashed some modular furniture boxes in the back, no windows in the hab area and no hab door and most likely no insulation so I think it's a long way from any sensible production and really nothing more than a home build in my view.

 

[starquake]

And how many of those charging points will be available across the country !

Charging points will mostly be irrlevant. Assuming you are driving somewhere less than 200mi away and they have EHU, you'll be recharged before next 200 mi jaunt. A 16A commando like most campsites have delivers around 14 miles per hour when charging on almost all EV vehicles.

If you going off grid -> then the size may present a recharging issue, HOWEVER Gridserve and govt have just signed an agreement to deliver charging for HGV of all types over next 2 years at "many" key points in the strategic road network, which will obviously fit a 8m, given it WILL fit a full artic truck.

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[starquake]

I like how EVs drive. Very easy.
The block will come from far too little electricity being produced in the UK. (We are currently...now, at this moment....importing 10% of our required energy, when the exporters (France at this time) own usage increases due to more and more EVs and ASHPs, they will inevitably have to stop exporting to us and will need it themselves...couple this with a loss of nuclear that's coming our way.

Despite the amount of EV's on the grid, the demand is actually going down every year still (despite what 500k EV last year and over 1m in total BEV's). And yes we import 10% at times, but we also EXPORT 10% at other times. We as a country are using less power than in the year 2000 ... and all the EV's we need could fit in that gap, so saying we need more infrastructure is also untrue. We need more localised infrasture is not in question, but the actual grid itself has already dealt with demand like we need already.

National grid don't think it's an issue (it's literally a FAQ on their website) and they today are both responsible and accountable for grid stability and power delivery, what are your credentials in electricity delivery to know better?

I say that knowing I agree with you France will have to stop exporting to us at some point, but it's also missing point of a massive amount of power being built thats not been turned on until recently. A windfarm that it alone can produce all of Scotlands demand for electricity was only turned on 3 months ago... which is why I'm quesitoning this, along with new connectors to Norway in last year (so it's not all French nuclear now). And yes, there can be lulls in wind, but it's also a mathematical certainty that if we have no wind, the weather system causing it won't cover all of EU and therefore at edge of the front causing us to have no wind, there will be wind elsewhere in EU to export. Also worth noting when Hinkley point goes online in a couple of years that is equal to the 8 plants being decomissioned at same time.

The problem in reality which NG isn't owning is what do we do if theres too much production -> which is a larger issue, and the answer to it is we need more EV's faster. There have already been > 10 occurances this year where prices went negative to encourage consumption and they had to turn off wind generation for stability.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Basically it's an electric delivery van that that somebody has lashed some modular furniture boxes in the back, no windows in the hab area and no hab door and most likely no insulation so I think it's a long way from any sensible production and really nothing more than a home build in my view.

Agreed. It looks like the interior conversion ran out of budget at around $2k.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Despite the amount of EV's on the grid, the demand is actually going down every year still (despite what 500k EV last year and over 1m in total BEV's). And yes we import 10% at times, but we also EXPORT 10% at other times. We as a country are using less power than in the year 2000 ... and all the EV's we need could fit in that gap, so saying we need more infrastructure is also untrue. We need more localised infrasture is not in question, but the actual grid itself has already dealt with demand like we need already.

National grid don't think it's an issue (it's literally a FAQ on their website) and they today are both responsible and accountable for grid stability and power delivery, what are your credentials in electricity delivery to know better?

I say that knowing I agree with you France will have to stop exporting to us at some point, but it's also missing point of a massive amount of power being built thats not been turned on until recently. A windfarm that it alone can produce all of Scotlands demand for electricity was only turned on 3 months ago... which is why I'm quesitoning this, along with new connectors to Norway in last year (so it's not all French nuclear now). And yes, there can be lulls in wind, but it's also a mathematical certainty that if we have no wind, the weather system causing it won't cover all of EU and therefore at edge of the front causing us to have no wind, there will be wind elsewhere in EU to export. Also worth noting when Hinkley point goes online in a couple of years that is equal to the 8 plants being decomissioned at same time.

The problem in reality which NG isn't owning is what do we do if theres too much production -> which is a larger issue, and the answer to it is we need more EV's faster. There have already been > 10 occurances this year where prices went negative to encourage consumption and they had to turn off wind generation for stability.

As a country we are using less power than in 2000 because (a) energy savings are driven by rising energy prices, and (b) a decline in energy-intensive UK manufacturing that has been offshored to places like China that have much cheaper electricity mainly from coal generation.

There are plenty of other projections that show a doubling in overall generating capacity (including renewables) will be required before 2050.

You should take the National Grid PR with a pinch of salt because NG admits there are various reasons Net Zero 2050 is not achievable without drastic (mandatory) changes to consumer behaviour, and in some circumstances rolling blackouts and disconnections become inevitable or necessary, so it isn't quite such a rosy picture of our decarbonised future as they want us to think. There will be energy mayhem in 2035 when all UK gas fired power stations are decommissioned compulsorily. Hinkley C can't provide enough base load.

 

[DandJ]

Despite the amount of EV's on the grid, the demand is actually going down every year still (despite what 500k EV last year and over 1m in total BEV's). And yes we import 10% at times, but we also EXPORT 10% at other times. We as a country are using less power than in the year 2000 ... and all the EV's we need could fit in that gap, so saying we need more infrastructure is also untrue. We need more localised infrasture is not in question, but the actual grid itself has already dealt with demand like we need already.

National grid don't think it's an issue (it's literally a FAQ on their website) and they today are both responsible and accountable for grid stability and power delivery, what are your credentials in electricity delivery to know better?

I say that knowing I agree with you France will have to stop exporting to us at some point, but it's also missing point of a massive amount of power being built thats not been turned on until recently. A windfarm that it alone can produce all of Scotlands demand for electricity was only turned on 3 months ago... which is why I'm quesitoning this, along with new connectors to Norway in last year (so it's not all French nuclear now). And yes, there can be lulls in wind, but it's also a mathematical certainty that if we have no wind, the weather system causing it won't cover all of EU and therefore at edge of the front causing us to have no wind, there will be wind elsewhere in EU to export. Also worth noting when Hinkley point goes online in a couple of years that is equal to the 8 plants being decomissioned at same time.

The problem in reality which NG isn't owning is what do we do if theres too much production -> which is a larger issue, and the answer to it is we need more EV's faster. There have already been > 10 occurances this year where prices went negative to encourage consumption and they had to turn off wind generation for stability.

Not going to get into an internet argument.
Hinkley Point C is due to come online in Sept 2028. It is due to produce 3.2 gw of energy. The existing plants are currently producing 4.58gw.
The thought that somewhere in the EU will have sufficient wind to export to its non EU neighbour surely presumes that that country has a huge number of wind turbines ? And as the rest of Europe pushes towards more EVs, they will require more of their own energy to charge them.
My point re the EV is really that while a driver can drive knowing that his/her vehicle has no emissions at point of use, there are not far off normal ICE emissions elsewhere to charge the thing.
(I can't recall the UK ever exporting 10% plus of its energy, I often have a look and it seems to settle on around a net 10% import)
I'm not anti EV, I'd quite like one and it would suit us, but I am anti all the green hogwash that goes along with it.

 

[VXman]

Basically it's an electric delivery van that that somebody has lashed some modular furniture boxes in the back, no windows in the hab area and no hab door and most likely no insulation so I think it's a long way from any sensible production and really nothing more than a home build in my view.

Well, you could analyse most campervans in that way. 'its just a diesel Amazon delivery van with some windows, benches and a small bed at the back'.

I'd reserve judgement until I'd seen it in the flesh.

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[LesW]

Well, you could analyse most campervans in that way. 'its just a diesel Amazon delivery van with some windows, benches and a small bed at the back'.

I'd reserve judgement until I'd seen it in the flesh.

Quite possibly... but not at 200 grand..

 

[Badknee]

Well, you could analyse most campervans in that way. 'its just a diesel Amazon delivery van with some windows, benches and a small bed at the back'.

I'd reserve judgement until I'd seen it in the flesh.

My youngest lad has just started with British Gas and they’ve supplied him with a leccy Vivaro (I know ) and he’s having a nightmare with range. First was a course in Hamilton Scotlandshire, set off with full charge and had to stop twice on the way up. Next Leister, stop once each way but he can’t charge it at home yet so has to spend an hour local on his way home so he’s fully charged.

 

[funflair]

Well, you could analyse most campervans in that way. 'its just a diesel Amazon delivery van with some windows, benches and a small bed at the back'.

I'd reserve judgement until I'd seen it in the flesh.

Indeed I quite agree and thought the same as I typed it I did even wonder if it was all just computer generated and they have not built anything yet either way I think it will just become yet another EV argument/discussion, and possibly that is a valid one and more pertinent than the camper design itself as ultimately it will be the EV network or rise of Hydrogen that dictates the success or failure as an E-camper van, in my view anyway.

 

[starquake]

Not going to get into an internet argument.
Hinkley Point C is due to come online in Sept 2028. It is due to produce 3.2 gw of energy. The existing plants are currently producing 4.58gw.
The thought that somewhere in the EU will have sufficient wind to export to its non EU neighbour surely presumes that that country has a huge number of wind turbines ? And as the rest of Europe pushes towards more EVs, they will require more of their own energy to charge them.

Not to have an argument but just to correct some incorrect information:

UK was a net energy exporter last year for periods for first time since 1944. We didn't have outages:

Britain is a Net Electricity Exporter for First Time in 44 years

In this recent article, Joseph Day, Geraint Phillips and Grant Wilson reveals how Britains net energy imports swung...

ukerc.ac.uk

Existing Nuclear plants include Sizewell B which produces 1.2GW. Sizewell B is not scheduled to close for a considerable amount of time (2035 current closure date). 4.58Gw - 1.2GW = 3.4GW. So with both Sizewell (not due to be decomissioned) and Hinkley point we will have only 200MW less nuclear than now - that was my point well illustrated by you. 200MW is a tiny amount of electricity in grid scale, you get individual generation with that capacity in places now. With Sizewell C on stream we have 6.4GW assuming Sizewell B decoms in line with C online, however B is already getting quoted for another extension if you hadn't heard (from 2035-2055) is being quoted now.. So we'll have a net of ~ 7.6GW from 2035 even without any small scale reactors as governemtn planning. That is more than we had last 2 winters. So is less more, or are we in reality building more nuclear than we've had since around 2000?

There is a lot of green hogwash, but today even if you charge on coal fired electricity in the worst country in EU for emissions it's less emissions than a ICE, this is now a fact proven by many academic papers. However There was ONE (and only one) paper that disproved this which the media picked up on and keeps being repeated as it sells papers.... this paper WAS hogwash and challenged as they completely forgot to account for the energy used to produce the petrol in the first place meaning the petrol had rather a sizeable nil input costs advantage. It was also sponsored by an oil company funnily enough! (The famous Volvo report). -> covers this point and has the grid themselves, insurance industry and others discounting many EV myths with actual academic rebuffs. Worth watching so you don't get hogwashed by media that wants to sell papers on stuff like EV fire risks. Academic papers are often disagreed with but the majority of them all agree BEV is less emissions than ICE even if you choose to power the BEV from a diesel generator (ie, the worse of the worst case).

That said, I have a BEV myself for none of these reasons. It's a better drive, and it's 10% of the cost of driving a diesel due to mine being mostly home charged. The green stuff can do one in my book as it's irrelvant, and I'm more than happy for all my motoring in a year to be around £150 in actual costs instead of £1500-2000 in diesel, which is the real annual cost I've encountered over 3 years of ownership. I still drive a diesel motorhome, and will continue to do so until a suitable electric one arrives, and am more than happy to get one once a reasonable 150 mile real world range is available as to be frank thats our average weekend trip away as driving 200 miles on a Friday night means we don't get to site for 4 hours after leaving!. The issue is charging, but that WILL be sorted by the truck network piece thats being built now as someone has linked about (motorway services with 8 truck stops, 50 BEV chargers etc). It's in fact already in planning and has actual plans submitted to authorites in many places as previous posts have highlighted. Being limited to sites under 150 miles away in meantime is no hardship.

 

[ctc]

In my limited experience, charging points are just another place for white van man to park.

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[Gromett]

(I can't recall the UK ever exporting 10% plus of its energy, I often have a look and it seems to settle on around a net 10% import)

We import because it is cheaper not because we NEED it. In fact as starquake pointed last year France was in dire straights with a lot of their nukes offline for maintenance and more of them offline due to low river levels causing a shortage of cooling.
We came to France's rescue last year. Our more expensive electric was better than shortages.

 

[Badknee]

In my limited experience, charging points are just another place for white van man to park.

My Lads is blue but he spends a lot of his time charging up.

 

[Dolmen]

"all-wheel-drive via dual electric motors that serve up a combined output of 300 horsepower and 390 lb-ft of torque."

"you should be able to charge from almost zero to 80 percent — figure about 150-180 miles of range — in an hour on any Electrify America charger or other station putting out at least 150 kW."

This Boxy Electric Beast Is the Future of the Camper Van

Michigan RV company Grounded has revealed the G2 camper van. It's an all-electric, AWD camping platform based on GM's Ultium platform.

www.gearpatrol.com

Grounded G2 | Fully electric RV with 250+ miles of range

The fully electric campervan with a modular, customizable interior and 250+ miles of range. Available now.

www.groundedrvs.com

Interesting concept, it’s the way we are going whether we like it or not, I guess some on here are knocking on so might not after to worry about it and can just reflect on how impractical it is at the moment, for the younger ones on here, nice to see what's coming their way and how it develops from concept to market over time, just like electric cars are at the moment.

 

[gus-lopez]

when the exporters (France at this time) own usage increases due to more and more EVs and ASHPs, they will inevitably have to stop exporting to us and will need it themselves.

& when short Spain supplies it to them at the expense of its own consumers.

There have already been > 10 occurances this year where prices went negative to encourage consumption and they had to turn off wind generation for stability.

we get that multiple times per week here but not because they want to encourage consumption but because usage is so low.

because NG admits there are various reasons Net Zero 2050 is not achievable without drastic (mandatory) changes to consumer behaviour,

& only yesterday there was an article by Ng boss stating they needed electric prices to rise at least 70% to fund wind farm construction because at the present rates no one wants to build them.Personally I cannot see why rates have to be fixed so that they will build them.It should be the same as anything else you fund & build it your self & hope to profit from it.

but that WILL be sorted by the truck network piece thats being built now as someone has linked about

But will you be allowed to use them? you can't legally park in most of them now without getting a cctv parking ticket.Additionally at my daughters of the 6 car charging points opposite the house 4 are solely for taxis. no private use although it does happen. plus maximum of 1hour then you get a parking ticket

last year France was in dire straights with a lot of their nukes offline for maintenance and more of them offline due to low river levels causing a shortage of cooling.

AS above spain also supplied them huge amounts of electricity ,not because we had it spare but because the price was far better than selling it to the peasants so up north they suffered from cuts on & off.:

 

[starquake]

We import because it is cheaper not because we NEED it. In fact as starquake pointed last year France was in dire straights with a lot of their nukes offline for maintenance and more of them offline due to low river levels causing a shortage of cooling.
We came to France's rescue last year. Our more expensive electric was better than shortages.

Worth noting the French "cheaper" electricity was also only down to a high government subsidy (max 4% rise) when the markets were +3-500% for which in part the French now have the highest debt in europe as they were buying electricity from UK (and Spanish) generation at equivalent of £1-2 (with a peak of £4 a unit) a normal unit last winter, then selling domestically for 20c, so were subsidising up to 2 euro for every kilowatt consumed that they purchased from us. Nothing is "free". Our government choose to pass on a larger part of the costs (roughly we ended up double the French at the 0.35p high price cap rate) which socially was wrong, but also didn't bankrupt us a country. I suspect the French will be paying for the curtrent "cheap" electricity for years to come in national debt payments given their subsidy likely cost them double to triple what UK government paid (and remember the price cap here only applied to domestic products, when in france commercial also applied). FT has a good graph on national debt levels this morning and French are in top 3 in Europe now. The exports last year also resulted in part in "our" high prices as generators here obviously wanted to supply france at £2 or more a unit as often as they could commercially.

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