I need to lose weight!!

[PJGWiltshire]

It’s got two gas it 11kgs in at moment, I have 11kg and 14kg alugas from my first Elddis. The 14kg won’t fit unfortunately but the 11kg will. I think I’d rather have the two bottles in

I ran with two for three years on ours (Gas low and Calor). I soon realised never used more than one as I kept it topped up. Since removing the bottle I made a slot in box for BBQ things that can be exposed to the elements without issue. When I travel long term to Spain I then have the option of throwing a local bottle into the space removing the box. Like most things now I don't buy anything until I know I need it. When we full time in the Winter using gas and no EHU for heating and fridge plus cooking, I get about ten days on a bottle so keep it topped up. So I always think why people go out and buy two refillable bottles when in the main they are never standing still off grid in the Winter for more than 10 days. I suppose in the UK one would have to think a bit more to availability but on mainland Europe I see LPG frequently on passing garages.

 

[robert groves]

Well I’ve just took the new bus to work for a weigh in and………
It’s bloody heavy!! I need to up plate to 4700kgs.
Few bits in garage
Full fuel
Full gas
NO WATER I usually carry 170 ltrs (a fraction more than Lenny HB and a bit less than funflair )
Me in it
4240kg
Got the paperwork for SV Tech to uprate so that’s the way to go

I sent paperwork and photo's etc to them months ago,...still waiting for a reply !

 

[Ditcha]

Put one gasit and the small alugas in I have a alugas and gaslow together save a little weight and flog the others

 

[TR5]

Forgetting the tyres for a moment, what is the weight limit on the 16" alloy wheels fitted to the Autotrail. I see several posts saying to change the wheels, but no one has defined why - tyres yes, but why the wheels?

PS mine is 4.5ton GVW and I run Michelin Agilis CrossClimates on them - load rating is 121. I have not, and no need to, uprate from original payload.

 

[WESTY66]

Forgetting the tyres for a moment, what is the weight limit on the 16" alloy wheels fitted to the Autotrail. I see several posts saying to change the wheels, but no one has defined why - tyres yes, but why the wheels?

PS mine is 4.5ton GVW and I run Michelin Agilis CrossClimates on them - load rating is 121. I have not, and no need to, uprate from original payload.

I think it’s cos they’re rated at 1250kg which across one axle is total 2500 and if you upgrade to say 2700kg axle weight they’re not suited to higher weight That’s my thinking anyhow.
Here’s a thing, say I uprate using steel wheels and 121 tyres to 2700 on rear and get the paperwork and plate, then refit the alloys ensuring I NEVER run ANY axle above 2500kg then the alloys are ok? Yes??

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[Howard H]

I think it’s cos they’re rated at 1250kg which across one axle is total 2500 and if you upgrade to say 2700kg axle weight they’re not suited to higher weight That’s my thinking anyhow.
Here’s a thing, say I uprate using steel wheels and 121 tyres to 2700 on rear and get the paperwork and plate, then refit the alloys ensuring I NEVER run ANY axle above 2500kg then the alloys are ok? Yes??

Ady , what would be the point of upgrading or as usual am I missing something

 

[WESTY66]

Ady , what would be the point of upgrading or as usual am I missing something

At 4240kg without Val (70kg) and water (170ltrs=170kg) Im a bit near the limit, that’s without the bikes and other stuff in garage or even the dog

 

[Howard H]

I see the need to up plate but if you put the alloys back on you will be illegal any way it’s a good job I took that old awning off you it weighs a ton

 

[WESTY66]

I see the need to up plate but if you put the alloys back on you will be illegal any way it’s a good job I took that old awning off you it weighs a ton

Yes I still see that you’re still travelling a feather under your weight limit

 

[Jamesh]

I think it’s cos they’re rated at 1250kg which across one axle is total 2500 and if you upgrade to say 2700kg axle weight they’re not suited to higher weight That’s my thinking anyhow.
Here’s a thing, say I uprate using steel wheels and 121 tyres to 2700 on rear and get the paperwork and plate, then refit the alloys ensuring I NEVER run ANY axle above 2500kg then the alloys are ok? Yes??

Not in the UK.

If your axle weight is 2700kg then your tyres and alloys need to be rated at 2700kg/2.

You cannot run say 104 tyres on a motor home just because your not going over a 1t per tyre...

Cheers James

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[Howard H]

Yes I still see that you’re still travelling a feather under your weight limit

On a good day

 

[WESTY66]

Not in the UK.

If your axle weight is 2700kg then your tyres and alloys need to be rated at 2700kg/2.

You cannot run say 104 tyres on a motor home just because your not going over a 1t per tyre...

Cheers James

I do get your point, but if I was weighed by the ministry and found to be 2499kg on rear axle I’d take my chance in court

 

[Minxy]

Here’s a thing, say I uprate using steel wheels and 121 tyres to 2700 on rear and get the paperwork and plate, then refit the alloys ensuring I NEVER run ANY axle above 2500kg then the alloys are ok? Yes??

Nope not legal IMV. The wheels/tyres should be capable of carrying the maximum permitted weight regardless of what you do, what you propose would mean the vehicle itself was modified and no longer meeting the requirements for its rating. It would only need a sharp eyed copper to check if you were stopped for something to realise, but that wouldn't be the worse thing, if you did the 'mod' and then had an accident you can be sure your insurer would use it to get out of paying your claim due to it not being 'road legal'.

 

[Ukbandit]

I wanted to say F&@k em and go for it but, Minxy Girls answer is probably more sensible

 

[WESTY66]

I wanted to say F&@k em and go for it but, Minxy Girls answer is probably more sensible

I preferred first answer, I know Mel is right, but if coppers aren’t doing owt about overweight motorhomes, there’s little chance of em doing owt about an alloy wheel that is maybe 100kgs out of spec on each side on paper, and even less chance that the average copper actually knows owt about moho weights and wheel/tyre ratings. That said she is right

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[Ditcha]

Right or wrong I have never heard of any motorhome being done for over weight may be one or two what's the chances and how many are over weight without even knowing it or wanting to know it you take your chances

 

[Stealaway]

Yes fiberglass.

I had a gander and it seems you can!

Cheers James

Safefill refillable bottles are fibre glass and weigh almost nothing.
They also come in three sizes.

 

[Bluethunder]

Well I’ve just took the new bus to work for a weigh in and………
It’s bloody heavy!! I need to up plate to 4700kgs.
Few bits in garage
Full fuel
Full gas
NO WATER I usually carry 170 ltrs (a fraction more than Lenny HB and a bit less than funflair )
Me in it
4240kg
Got the paperwork for SV Tech to uprate so that’s the way to go

Cripes that's heavy, don't go anywhere near LONDON£100 a day

 

[WESTY66]

Cripes that's heavy, don't go anywhere near LONDON£100 a day

Never been to London, no intention of going either

 

[Bluethunder]

That settles it, has to be the wife.

If your chucking out the wife could I have her,I need a good cook,the last one left me for a bloke with a bigger motorhome

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[WESTY66]

If your chucking out the wife could I have her,I need a good cook,the last one left me for a bloke with a bigger motorhome

You would have trouble getting her in an Elddis 155 again after the carthago
Our first moho was an Elddis 255

 

[Lenny HB]

If your chucking out the wife could I have her,I need a good cook,the last one left me for a bloke with a bigger motorhome

Not much point in chucking out mine she only weighs 40kg.

 

[DJT]

If your chucking out the wife could I have her,I need a good cook,the last one left me for a bloke with a bigger motorhome

She was a good cook…..and as good cooks go……. she went!!
DJT

 

[Bluethunder]

You would have trouble getting her in an Elddis 155 again after the carthago
Our first moho was an Elddis 255

That's me stuffed then

 

[TR5]

I think it’s cos they’re rated at 1250kg which across one axle is total 2500 and if you upgrade to say 2700kg axle weight they’re not suited to higher weight That’s my thinking anyhow.
Here’s a thing, say I uprate using steel wheels and 121 tyres to 2700 on rear and get the paperwork and plate, then refit the alloys ensuring I NEVER run ANY axle above 2500kg then the alloys are ok? Yes??

If that were the case, then why would they put 116 load rated tyres on these wheels on later 4.5 ton and 5 ton motorhomes.

I know AT ran 1250kg tyres on an 2500 axle (rather stupid with no lee-way at all), but surely they wouldn't fit alloys that are only rated at the same as the maximum axle load - would they? That sounds like total incompetence to me.

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[Lenny HB]

If that were the case, then why would they put 116 load rated tyres on these wheels on later 4.5 ton and 5 ton motorhomes.

I know AT ran 1250kg tyres on an 2500 axle (rather stupid with no lee-way at all), but surely they wouldn't fit alloys that are only rated at the same as the maximum axle load - would they? That sounds like total incompetence to me.

The standard steel wheels are fine it's only because they can flog alloy wheels to gullible customers you get problems.

 

[TR5]

The standard steel wheels are fine it's only because they can flog alloy wheels to gullible customers you get problems.

Not 'gullible' at all, the alloys are standard on the Frontier range. I am interested to know what the load rating of the 16" alloys are - so I have sent AT and email to ask! Does anyone know if there is a load rating stamped on the alloys anywhere?

 

[Jamesh]

The standard steel wheels are fine it's only because they can flog alloy wheels to gullible customers you get problems.

The max load rating isn't the rating that they will fail at. That load would be 2-3-4 times that.

That's the maximum load they are authorised to take so it's entirely reasonable to put 1250kg tyres on a 2500kg axle.

Cheers James

 

[Ditcha]

Not 'gullible' at all, the alloys are standard on the Frontier range. I am interested to know what the load rating of the 16" alloys are - so I have sent AT and email to ask! Does anyone know if there is a load rating stamped on the alloys anywhere?

Think Lenny was just joking about the gullible part, you will find the Fiat alloys are rated to 1250kg but like most things there will be a safety margin built in that figure.

 

[Jonno1103]

Forgetting the tyres for a moment, what is the weight limit on the 16" alloy wheels fitted to the Autotrail. I see several posts saying to change the wheels, but no one has defined why - tyres yes, but why the wheels?

PS mine is 4.5ton GVW and I run Michelin Agilis CrossClimates on them - load rating is 121. I have not, and no need to, uprate from original payload.

Your looking at around 1800kg max on a single 16 inch alloy. At 121 you've got a limit of 1450kg on each corner. I take it you have 225/75 R16's?

We have the same tyre and rating but sized at 235/65 R16 on the Transit which is wasted on a 3500kg motorhome with a 1000kg tow limit.

Many owners like to change or not bother to opt for alloys as they're heavier and take away payload. You don't have that problem with Auto Trail as the alloys are part of the mass in service even when they're a factory fitted cost option.

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