How to disable stop start.

[Itsmcb]

Two genuine questions.
How does stop start work on a steep hill?
How can an electric car have stop start?

 

[Spriddler]

Two genuine questions.
How does stop start work on a steep hill?

The s/s works regardless of an incline.

How can an electric car have stop start?

The electric motor doesn't 'tick over' when stopped. It isn't running at all when stopped.

 

[tonyidle]

This appears to be a thread for Luddites.

Got to add my wife doesn't like stop start and got me to turn it off her last car. But then she doesn't like change, particularly technical change where she doesn't feel in control. On her current electric car it can't be turned off and she is now altogether used to it.

I've yet to see an electric car idling?

 

[tonyidle]

Or slow down and be mind ready and car ready for a gap that doesn’t need such fine margins of manoeuvring.
My commute was from West Berks to West London: A4 - M4 - A4 and stop/start was not unsafe. My occasional haste was.

Thanks. Must learn to drive correctly..

 

[gus-lopez]

My air con radio etc. All work when engine in stop mode of stop start.

Unless it is driven electrically it isn't possible for the air con to be running on an ice engine?

Or slow down and be mind ready and car ready for a gap that doesn’t need such fine margins of manoeuvring.

In some parts of the south & east you could wait all day.
You require a vehicle that is capable of accelerating in to a small gap in front of an oncoming vehicle travelling at 70 mph without inconveniencing them.

But then, they're electric cars with electric air-con compressors.

So don't count then.

As for starting at the touch of the throttle, is this not the same as any automatic?

No the instant you press the pedal on a proper torque converter automatic the vehicle accelerates, keep pedal mashed to floor.

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[Folkranger]

Unless it is driven electrically it isn't possible for the air con to be running on an ice engine?

In some parts of the south & east you could wait all day.
You require a vehicle that is capable of accelerating in to a small gap in front of an oncoming vehicle travelling at 70 mph without inconveniencing them.


So don't count then.

No the instant you press the pedal on a proper torque converter automatic the vehicle accelerates, keep pedal mashed to floor.

Is life so shirt that a tenth of a second delay at the lights makes all that difference. Wow!

 

[Jev88]

Unless it is driven electrically it isn't possible for the air con to be running on an ice engine?

In some parts of the south & east you could wait all day.
You require a vehicle that is capable of accelerating in to a small gap in front of an oncoming vehicle travelling at 70 mph without inconveniencing them.


So don't count then.

No the instant you press the pedal on a proper torque converter automatic the vehicle accelerates, keep pedal mashed to floor.

Sorry. All I can tell you is my Aircon runs when engine in stop mode. If i Manually turn off Aircon when at rest and start stop is in Stop mode it stays in stop mode far longer than if air con is active.

 

[Spriddler]

Is life so shirt that a tenth of a second delay at the lights makes all that difference. Wow!

I'm retired and never in a hurry. You evidently have a charmed life with less traffic than here in the S. East and London suburbs where many roads are packed with continuous streams of traffic.
It isn't about short waits, nor is it an issue at traffic lights but at roundabouts (some very large ones with two or three lanes) and at T junctions one often has no option but to make a quick getaway into a gap, especially with lazy approaching drivers who confuse everyone by not indicating or signal left and go straight on.
On my stop/start robotised auto transmission there was a long enough delay before actually moving which could put me in some very tricky situations.

 

[kevenh]

On my stop/start robotised auto transmission there was a long enough delay before actually moving which could put me in some very tricky situations.

My post in the thread was light on vehicle details.
My start/stop experience was in a Mazda 3 Sport Nav with skyactiv.
With a 6pd Manual gearbox!!
I think they’ve done a good job with their implementation of braking regen & the s/s technologies.

I could get caught by changing my mind quickly, like, assuming I’d be stopping at a junction, then thinking “no, that gap is bigger than expected” and then trying to go when the engine was just turning off. But those situations were rare and at least I’m not moving fwd. It was usually better to stop properly and reset for the next gap.

It does sound like automatics and start/stop give a different experience.

Edit missed out some key info about the Mazza being a manual. Hope it was implied by the other words & understood…

 

[cmcardle75]

My post in the thread was light on vehicle details.
My start/stop experience was in a Mazda 3 Sport Nav with skyactiv.
I think they’ve done a good job with their implementation of braking regen & the s/s technologies.

I could get caught by changing my mind quickly, like, assuming I’d be stopping at a junction, then thinking “no, that gap is bigger than expected” and then trying to go when the engine was just turning off. But those situations were rare and at least I’m not moving fwd. It was usually better to stop properly and reset for the next gap.

It does sound like automatics and start/stop give a different experience.

Yes, stop/start does suit manuals. I literally couldn't change into first and lift the clutch quicker than the start system. I tried many times. That was a Seat Arona (i.e. VW). I imagine automatics are different, as you don't have the clutch press to signify that you want to move off soon. I've never driven one.

Electrics cars have their motors connected directly to the final transmission with no clutch or torque converter, so there's no concept of stop/start. If the car is stopped, the motor is stopped. They are also, by far, the most responsive. You can get zero to max torque within milliseconds of pressing the pedal. You'll never miss a gap again.

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[dulvil]

I’ve got a Peugeot traveller 180, very happy that the stop/start don’t work.
When it was new I took it to 2 dealers who both said that it won’t work on this model

 

[Speve]

It should turn it off. Air con isn't any use if it turns off when needed most. Having said that it may be do to many places now ranyone to switch engine off when stopped even at lights and even if you don't have stopstart.

Our panda 4x4 has stop start and it stops whilst leaving air conditioning running which obviously uses more battery up I can switch it off which I do but it automatically switches on if ignition is turned off and on again a right pain in the bum

 

[mikebeaches]

Today I’ve fitted a device from China that has disabled the stop start on my 2021 VW T6.1, total cost with tax and postage £18-60p.
here’s the link as they sell for other models of vehicles.

John.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002051778043.html

Had to chuckle at this - but don't take offence. It's not meant to be critical of your decision.

Over two years ago Mrs mikebeaches bought a nearly new automatic Citroen C3 Aircross with just 229 miles on the clock.

Almost perfect for her needs in every way, except the stop-start has never worked!

It's not a total deal-breaker, but frustrating because it has been in to the garage no less than 3 times and a total of 11 days off the road to get it fixed - without success. Constructive correspondence with the managing director of the local Citroen franchise, with accompanying assurances that they'd get it working - but not happened yet. They say it's sorted and works on the drive home and that's it - never again. Manufacturer's warranty expires in a couple of months and we're not holding our breath that it will be successfully repaired when it next goes in before then...

As an aside, we had an earlier 2006 C3 with stop-start (one of the earliest in an everyday car) - kept it 13 years and never had so much as a hiccup with the stop-start.

Progress...!

 

[GoldenVision]

On my VW 6.1 (auto) it restarts if the car in front moves or I touch the accelerator. Minimal delay

 

[SpeedyDux]

After reading this thread I have concluded that if the next MH has stop start that can't be switched off, I'm not buying that one.

As for the electric car (or self-charging hybrid) I am quite content to sit in silence at traffic lights knowing that the moment I press that pedal it will shoot off the line like a scalded thing while the stop start car behind is restarting its engine. The Duxette is having to get used to the silence. She would rather have a noise from the engine to give her confidence that the car will move off when the lights change. The engine will only be running the generator if the HV battery charge is well below 30%, and it doesn't directly drive the front wheels anyway. I keep trying to explain this technology, telling her not to worry.

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[Folkranger]

I'm retired and never in a hurry. You evidently have a charmed life with less traffic than here in the S. East and London suburbs where many roads are packed with continuous streams of traffic.
It isn't about short waits, nor is it an issue at traffic lights but at roundabouts (some very large ones with two or three lanes) and at T junctions one often has no option but to make a quick getaway into a gap, especially with lazy approaching drivers who confuse everyone by not indicating or signal left and go straight on.
On my stop/start robotised auto transmission there was a long enough delay before actually moving which could put me in some very tricky situations.

I agree. I've always thought we have a charmed life compared to London and SE.

 

[Old Gibber]

After reading this thread I have concluded that if the next MH has stop start that can't be switched off, I'm not buying that one.

You might have difficulty finding one these days that doesn't have stop/start. My Fiat with its 9 speed auto does, and my previous Ford did. Frankly I don't understand what all the fuss is about. The engine starts quicker than shifting back from neutral into drive. Obviously the engine and battery are built for this, the battery alone is twice the size of a normal battery, and therein lies probably the only disadvantage, I would not look forward to having to replace it.

 

[Old Gibber]

I agree. I've always thought we have a charmed life compared to London and SE.

Nah! Not a charmed life, just sensible to live in a part of the country that isn't jam full of cars.

 

[gerry mcg]

FWIW, almost all BMWs have the ability to manually override Auto Start Stop (ASS) at the press of a button on the dash.
They can also be coded using an app called BimmerCode, that amongst other features, allows the operator to code Auto Start Stop (ASS) to either remember last setting, or start with ASS off as default