HOW MUCH********* 1st Service Fiat

[Mzracer]

A lot of stuff there would not relate to a Fiat 2.8Jtd

A basic diesel engine needs fuel, injector pump and compression, then it will start and run.

The rest is tarting it up. I know from my Mercedes OM 636 in my boat which was basically designed by a German PoW in UK in WWII, engine built in 1978 and is still running in the boat in 2023.

KISS

Fiat 2.8 jtd is a great engine, if Mercedes made that engine everyone would rave about it. I think the 3 litre is even better though.

 

[Swifter]

Fiat 2.8 jtd is a great engine, if Mercedes made that engine everyone would rave about it. I think the 3 litre is even better though.

The 2.8 jtd is incredible. Lucky enough to have one in my 2006 Swift . Never feels underpowered and seems to be reliable and reasonably cheap to maintain.

 

[Mzracer]

The 2.8 jtd is incredible. Lucky enough to have one in my 2006 Swift . Never feels underpowered and seems to be reliable and reasonably cheap to maintain.

I heard that the UK 2.8's are slightly less powerful (128bhp v something like 140bhp) due to a restriction on the turbo size due to the steering column being in a similar area. This maybe folk law though

What I do know is that the 2.8 responds well to even crude tuning kit like those Italian tuning boxes.

 

[Folkranger]

Similar quote for me from Fiat in Northampton.

Even following the Fiat schedule it is stupidly expensive. In addition I would question the need for Brake Fluid and Fuel Filter at this stage.

I got mine done at my local independent garage this services my cars. £200.

Could it be because the first use wears the brake part in, leaving a residue in the fluid?

 

[dunnah01]

Not being funny, but you really need to consider the difference.

The parts list (which you can't get online cheaper) was more than that. Sure, cheaper filters, missing fuel filter swap, cheaper oil will all keep the price down.

Not least, your local garage is very unlikely to update the software on the van. (Software/systems are, I believe, only available to Fiat Pro specialists). Ours made a huge difference (I was aware of a drivability "issue" that went after the service). Many Euro6 (non ad blue) have been serviced in local garages and not had software updates leading to massive failures later on - and updating then is too late as the fueling maps caused damages in DPF, injectors etc etc).

(Not limited to Fiat, many Ford Ecoboost engines blow due to wet cambelt deteriorating and bits blocking the oil pickup causing oil starvation. Funny how Ford only use a specific blend for the ecoboost and that protects the belts, but the cheaper garages will sling in any "match" rather than specific). etc

Ours was in the workshop >3hrs (tracker) and all work was better than expected.

The 4/5 year service should be >£1k as you will need a cambelt.

Surely spending this much on a van you budget for maintenance?

Personally, knowing what I do, if I saw a van with non Fiat Pro service for sale, I'd walk away as you have no idea on the long term implications of missing updates on time (as many owners of the earlier vans now know)

Below is FYI. Parts are, IMO, v fairly priced and not huge mark ups based on what I could get online. This was a Fiat Pro specialist who only does motorhomes/vans (Chestleton motorhomes), and they did update the ECUs (I dumped them pre/post due to a strong distrust of garages lol). It will be going back for a "mini service" at 3yr (as have 3y warrantee, so want it checked/MOTd by someone who knows the vans inside out) - and will have fuel filter changed again (keep the diesel happy!)

edit: The noise investigation happened after ECU updates/service and went away lol - one of my drivability issue was lack of low down torque that the new ECU software fixed, so may've been related etc.
View attachment 734931

Was the ECU correction a recall? If not why not? The other stuff any DIYer could do in an hour or so so not worth paying the mad labour charges unless you're even more ham fisted than the average Fiat mechanic

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[activecampers]

A lot of stuff there would not relate to a Fiat 2.8Jtd

A basic diesel engine needs fuel, injector pump and compression, then it will start and run.

The rest is tarting it up. I know from my Mercedes OM 636 in my boat which was basically designed by a German PoW in UK in WWII, engine built in 1978 and is still running in the boat in 2023.

KISS

Indeed. The OP van is 2yo which is what I was responding to.
Emissions, environment and refinement means all the complexity. Though I'd love to see the emissions of the entire lifecycle of making of all the extra parts, the cost/maintenance of those parts and the cost/maintenance of replacement parts etc. I'm not a greenie, far from it, but the amount of pollutants from a 1978 diesel compared to today is massive!
That said, I'd prefer something simpler and easier to maintain As it is, I'll be nice to it and hope its nice back

 

[activecampers]

Was the ECU correction a recall? If not why not? The other stuff any DIYer could do in an hour or so so not worth paying the mad labour charges unless you're even more ham fisted than the average Fiat mechanic

Bit more than an hour, and a few special tools, but yes I get your point. (Indeed, I used to do the old van maintenance, and I do the car maintenance with genuine OEM parts). But complex and sensitive diesel engines just need that much more pedantic care for a long and happy life, so I'm happy to pay for that. Equally, I'm happy to pay for the simpler motorbike service knowing an extra pair of eyes will check on safety bits. That said, there is a correlation with age/warranty at the moment!
ECU was not a recall as far as I know. Just continuous updates etc which Fiat deploy as part of a service
With my old Ford transit (125tdci) I had to request/ pay for an ECU update

The issues on older vans ECU software is barely acknowledged by Fiat, others doing lots of work with Fiat to get to the bottom of it, but I'm not affected so not involved. the1andonly has much more info on this topic than me

 

[Richard n Ann]

If you're on a budget I can recommend Smith and Allen oils, I bought a drum and you get several services out of it. Just need the £10 oil filter then and you're good to go

Smith & Allan Heavy Duty Engine Oils | Smith And Allan

www.smithandallan.com

 

[dash300]

If you're on a budget I can recommend Smith and Allen oils, I bought a drum and you get several services out of it. Just need the £10 oil filter then and you're good to go

Smith & Allan Heavy Duty Engine Oils | Smith And Allan

www.smithandallan.com

I would second that. Have used them for years on my Volvo Pentas and they have saved me a fortune over using the Volvo Spec equivalent. They blend to exactly the same as the big names at sometimes half the price. Speedy delivery too.

 

[gerry mcg]

Bit more than an hour, and a few special tools, but yes I get your point. (Indeed, I used to do the old van maintenance, and I do the car maintenance with genuine OEM parts). But complex and sensitive diesel engines just need that much more pedantic care for a long and happy life, so I'm happy to pay for that. Equally, I'm happy to pay for the simpler motorbike service knowing an extra pair of eyes will check on safety bits. That said, there is a correlation with age/warranty at the moment!
ECU was not a recall as far as I know. Just continuous updates etc which Fiat deploy as part of a service
With my old Ford transit (125tdci) I had to request/ pay for an ECU update

The issues on older vans ECU software is barely acknowledged by Fiat, others doing lots of work with Fiat to get to the bottom of it, but I'm not affected so not involved. the1andonly has much more info on this topic than me

activecampers
What ECU Software version should I be looking for on my 2016 Euro6 2.3l 150hp multi jet 2 motor (without adblue)?

My van is at 27k. Miles,been was serviced at Fiat professional dealer in 2019, been recalled a couple of times and has the various fixes applied, but last time it was in a Fiat professional dealer was 2020.
It had its 4 yr service and cam belt change in late 2019 at an independent at 22k miles an it is going to a Fiat professional dealer next Friday for its 6 yr / 30k service ahead of summer road trip.

I'm not sure of what SW version is on the ECU, but am I correct in thinking I need v31 as a minimum?

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[activecampers]

activecampers
What ECU Software version should I be looking for on my 2016 Euro6 2.3l 150hp multi jet 2 motor (without adblue)?

My van is at 27k. Miles,been was serviced at Fiat professional dealer in 2019, been recalled a couple of times and has the various fixes applied, but last time it was in a Fiat professional dealer was 2020.
It had its 4 yr service and cam belt change in late 2019 at an independent at 22k miles an it is going to a Fiat professional dealer next Friday for its 6 yr / 30k service ahead of summer road trip.

I'm not sure of what SW version is on the ECU, but am I correct in thinking I need v31 as a minimum?

No idea, sorry

 

[KD]

Try Chelston Motorhomes. Just had mine done there for £475. Fiat Professional workshop and very happy with the service there.

That is exactly the same figure I have just been quoted by Adams Morey Bournemouth

 

[gerry mcg]

It looks like my ECU is at v28, so i need to get the Fiat Professional garage to update the ECU f/w to >v32 when it is in on Friday for its service

 

[the darkside]

My bessacarr 494 is 2016 euro6, bought last year with 6100 miles on the clock, 1 st job before going anywhere was to have cam belt and water pump done, 5 years regardless of milage,it was supposed to have had oil & filter prior to collecting from the dealers, 1600 miles use now, just done oil& filer,fuel filter,air & pollen filters, stripped all brakes cleaned sliders ,new drive belts off on Thursday hull Rotterdam down to lake Garda then Croatia, oil servicse are cheap maintenance,genuine filters ,belts and oil,will be changed yearly regardless of milage

 

[Wack]

When I had a 3.0 iveco daily for work, i used a proper back street garage, it was like getting your car fixed in a scrapyard, but no dolly birds on reception to pay for or £2m premises

I dont think I ever paid more than £200 for a service , 350,000 miles over 8 years , serviced every 10k , no breakdowns , still on the original clutch

The only repairs it had were 2 diffs but it was pulling a 3.5t trailer for a good proportion of that

That garage is no longer in business due to retirement but the one I use now only charges £40 + vat an hour.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[the1andonly]

oil servicse are cheap maintenance,genuine filters ,belts and oil,will be changed yearly regardless of milage

Good plan.Add in an injector cleaner into the regime and your cooking on gas. These engines do not like cheap oil, get the correct spec manufacturer doesn't matter I use Fuchs.

 

[Fdhadi]

I heard that the UK 2.8's are slightly less powerful (128bhp v something like 140bhp) due to a restriction on the turbo size due to the steering column being in a similar area. This maybe folk law though

What I do know is that the 2.8 responds well to even crude tuning kit like those Italian tuning boxes.

Uk 2.8jtd/HDi engines are 127bhp.
LHD 2.8jtd/HDi power engines are normally 146bhp

 

[L' Hobo]

HOW MUCH ******* 1st service on my Carthago Malibou . ( 2 years or 30k miles)

Had a quote from Vospers main dealer for the 1st service on Fiat Ducato mileage 15k.

£675 !!!

Colyboy

I never buy new vehicles so have never had a M/H dealer's first service, other services I do myself.