How do you fit bull bars (2 Viewers)

[Simonjdcooper]

I'd like to fit bull bars to my 03 Ducato.
The purpose is to fit some additional driving lights.
Has anyone fitted one?
How did it go on.
Looking under the front, I just see a plastic cover. There are some heavy gauge bolts along the front of this but no 'chassis' per se to fit them to.
Can anyone advise please?
Thanks.
Si

 

[Simonjdcooper]

One of the things I find challenging when posting on Fun is to keep with in rule one and yet, at the same time, let the readers know what I really think...

I am quite surprised that the OP asked for advice on fitting a bull bar...


JJ

I must have forgotten to read rule 1.
I'm looking for a cost effective way to add driving lights to the moho without hacking about the front of it.
Having seen a few older vans with bull bars with lights on, it seems a sensible way of achieving this. Being a 90s kid, I even think they look cool and while they might have greater potential of causing injury, they will be fitted to the front of a 3.5t moho, hardly a scalpel in the hands of a master surgeon...
short shrift from me for people coming along and opining about how it looks or whether they like it or even the supposed legality.
Surprising? Possibly because I'm relatively new to the forum and haven't been exposed to the latent crassness which abounds...

 

[Jim]

I must have forgotten to read rule 1.

Ignorance is no defence. Calling others comments cretinous is a clear breach of rule 1. You can no longer reply to this thread.

 

[Jim]

This grill kit could solve the problem of adding lights without a light bar.

It looks smart, but it's expensive at over £600

 

[Soycd]

We had bull bars on a Opel/Vauxhall Frontera (remember them?) in the early 90s. They came with the vehicle factory fitted. These were coated steel, absolutely lethal and a complete waste of metal. I couldn't take them off without pretty much dismantling the front of the vehicle. They served no purpose at all. I suppose I could have stuck some lights on them. The are banned I think for pretty much the same reason as we have speed limits, you hit a person at high speed, they will probably die, same with steel bull bars. I don't really see it as 'nanny state' stuff, just common sense really. Not sure why I'm writing this, the OP has been banned!

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[Figaro]

the ignorance in this thread is staggering.
If you are assuming a lack of consideration you are a fool, you'll make an ASS of U and ME (although mainly you with your cretinous comments).
Oooooh having lots of lights is bad, oooh i bed he'll dazzle everyone on the road.
It must be fun driving with you.
"ooh Ethel look at that inconsiderate lorry with all those lights, he must dazzle everyone all the time wherever he drives."
Waste everyone's time with your holier than thou comments.
Imbeciles.



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You might want to acquaint yourself with the rules of the forum before posting anymore in this thread ?

Oops, too late, the axe has fallen

Next stop a city in the midlands

 

[Northernraider]

love it. In the 20 odd years I've been driving, I've never hit a person, but I have hit a deer, in the motorhome...

I've only hit one ....but he deserved it. Wish I'd had a bullbar as he managed to damage the headlight, front grille, bonnet ,windscreen ,roof and door mirror when he decided to play chicken with his friends at the traffic lights . Police weren't interested as it was his fault , said it was a civil matter for me to get compensation for the damage , would have had to take him to the small claims court and him being 15 left little chance of that happening.

So useless police , irresponsible pedestrian who got off scot free with barely a scratch , and I was left with nearly £1000 worth of damage to fix myself .

Personally I'd have been happier had he been terribly injured. He might have learned something then.

 

[Northernraider]

This grill kit could solve the problem of adding lights without a light bar.

It looks smart, but it's expensive at over £600

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That's a novel idea but as you say it's expensive .

I have to say I'm in the bull/A bars look cool camp . And at less than half the price of that including some nice spotlamps I know what I'd be fitting

 

[Jim]

We had bull bars on a Opel/Vauxhall Frontera (remember them?) in the early 90s.

My experience with them is that they cause more damage than they protect you from, as they wrap around and dent a wing that would have been untouched but for the bar!

 

[Northernraider]

We had bull bars on a Opel/Vauxhall Frontera (remember them?) in the early 90s. They came with the vehicle factory fitted. These were coated steel, absolutely lethal and a complete waste of metal. I couldn't take them off without pretty much dismantling the front of the vehicle. They served no purpose at all. I suppose I could have stuck some lights on them. The are banned I think for pretty much the same reason as we have speed limits, you hit a person at high speed, they will probably die, same with steel bull bars. I don't really see it as 'nanny state' stuff, just common sense really. Not sure why I'm writing this, the OP has been banned!

Hit a person at high speed with a motorhome and they will also probably die ... they're unlikely to go over it so will most certainly go under it and probably be brained by your waste water tank or lpg tank . Should we ban those too or just ban vehicles all together because pedestrians in the UK can't apply common sense like they can in other countries that haven't enforced helmets , seatbelts, bans on mobile phones or eating an apple while driving .

The Greeks do all those things at once on some of the most dangerous roads ever and survive fine

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[Northernraider]

I must have forgotten to read rule 1.
I'm looking for a cost effective way to add driving lights to the moho without hacking about the front of it.
Having seen a few older vans with bull bars with lights on, it seems a sensible way of achieving this. Being a 90s kid, I even think they look cool and while they might have greater potential of causing injury, they will be fitted to the front of a 3.5t moho, hardly a scalpel in the hands of a master surgeon...
short shrift from me for people coming along and opining about how it looks or whether they like it or even the supposed legality.
Surprising? Possibly because I'm relatively new to the forum and haven't been exposed to the latent crassness which abounds...

You might not be able to see it but here you go

Bull Bar Abar To Fit Fiat Ducato 2000 - 2006 Stainless - Detachable Name Plate | eBay

High qualityStainless Steel Low Bull-Bar / Abar x1 with Detachable centre Logo Plate forFiat Ducato (2000 - 2006 models). Sale is for Stainless Steel Bull-Bar / Abar with Detachable centre Logo Plate x1.

www.ebay.co.uk

 

[Kups]

That link takes you to a page written by someone not familiar with the English language.

Probably not the best one to use.


But the first point is true.

They're not illegal in the UK.

I just took one response to a Google search, there are plenty of other similar items.

 

[Northernraider]

I just took one response to a Google search, there are plenty of other similar items.

Yes but none are really helpful to the op who simply wanted to know where to get one and how to fit one. And instead got a debate about whether or not they were illegal.

They're not illegal and they won't fail an mot. There's probably been more of them retro fitted since 2007 than before. Go to any vw show for one thing and the vast majority of the t4 models and many of the t5 models will have them fitted.

 

[TheBig1]

In response to how do they fit, done correctly they mount direct to the chassis. A specific set of mounts would be needed or to be fabricated and holes cut through the plastic front bumper to hang the bars on.

Having been the victim of vigilantes way back when I had a Nissan patrol with suspension lift and full bull bars I know the level of anger they bring out. Was in a shopping centre car park and a couple of nut jobs stood in front of my car preventing me from driving on, shouting about how I was a monster and a child killer and god knows what else for being so evil as to drive my monster truck on the public roads. Was tempting to just roll forward and drive over them, but I resisted and engaged their tiny minds to explain the vehicle was designed for a specific purpose and was used in a volunteer role during bad weather. They just couldn't grasp that the bull bars were there to protect the vehicle and posed little more threat than any other full size 4x4 on the road

 

[Landy Andy]

On my 10reg Ducato the A bar it came with was mounted under the front bumper and to the frame that holds the radiator and ac condenser in place. Was stable enough to hold extra lights if wanted, but actually caused more damage in a knock, where it went on to bend the rad mounts snapping the radiator.

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[tacr2man]

My landy fitted withBull bar for its proper purpose with just enough extra lights as well

 

[Gizmouk]

This grill kit could solve the problem of adding lights without a light bar.

It looks smart, but it's expensive at over £600

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Pal of mine fits Lazer lights (and other stuff), to pretty much any vehcile you want. They aren't cheap, but when you switch them on you (literally) see where your money has gone. "Night sun" is a very apt description

 

[Soycd]

The Greeks do all those things at once on some of the most dangerous roads ever and survive fine

I've driven in Greece in a motorhome lots of times and yes they are interesting drivers. Going again at the end of August. Fatal RTAs in 2022. UK 1,711(population 67,000,000) Greece 654 (population 10,000,000) pretty big difference but I take the point you made. It's all about the level of risk folk are willing to accept. The coronor in the case of Bridget Driscoll, the first person to die in UK in an RTA said something like, he hoped this sort of thing would never happen again!

 

[Themselves]

Bridget Driscoll. Not killed by bull bars I assume but the driver was speeding at a reckless 4.5 mph

 

[poppycamper]

Bridget Driscoll. Not killed by bull bars I assume but the driver was speeding at a reckless 4.5 mph

Feck.... their red flag man must have been a 200yrd Champian Sprinter.

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[Northernraider]

I've driven in Greece in a motorhome lots of times and yes they are interesting drivers. Going again at the end of August. Fatal RTAs in 2022. UK 1,711(population 67,000,000) Greece 654 (population 10,000,000) pretty big difference but I take the point you made. It's all about the level of risk folk are willing to accept. The coronor in the case of Bridget Driscoll, the first person to die in UK in an RTA said something like, he hoped this sort of thing would never happen again!

That's probably more likely to be because many brits don't drive especially those living in the big cities. How many million live in London alone?

Using population rather than those with a driving licence will not give an accurate result.


Personally I think the more you molly coddle people with all these bubble wrap policies the less common sense and abilities they have.

I can make tea, toast with jam , hold a conference call with 6 people , search park4night and go to the toilet while driving lol. Just because a few silly people couldn't talk on a phone and drive they treat everyone the same

 

[Bessy765]

the ignorance in this thread is staggering.
If you are assuming a lack of consideration you are a fool, you'll make an ASS of U and ME (although mainly you with your cretinous comments).
Oooooh having lots of lights is bad, oooh i bed he'll dazzle everyone on the road.
It must be fun driving with you.
"ooh Ethel look at that inconsiderate lorry with all those lights, he must dazzle everyone all the time wherever he drives."
Waste everyone's time with your holier than thou comments.
Imbeciles.



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I think you have to be one to know one??

 

[Nanniemate]

From memory they were banned due to the impact damage caused more major leg injuries than a shaped bonnet

But I do have a question are they classed as a modification by insurance companies?

This is curiosity or just plain nosey

 

[Northernraider]

From memory they were banned due to the impact damage caused more major leg injuries than a shaped bonnet

But I do have a question are they classed as a modification by insurance companies?

This is curiosity or just plain nosey

Yes they are and you must declare them . Never had any effect on my premiums though.

 

[Northernraider]

I think you have to be one to know one??

He does make a good point though if perhaps the wrong wording.


There are far too many all to ready to jump in with their opinions when they often have no real experience of it.

The comments regarding the legality , and the comments insinuating that someone is irresponsible etc is uncalled for and just winds up the person asking the question.

I've experienced this myself and like the op have been the one penalised after losing my patience with the same people.


Fitting extra lights doesn't make you irresponsible. Nor does fitting an A bar or bullbar. ... at least no more than buying a car capable of doing more than 70mph does .

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[Soycd]

I can make tea, toast with jam , hold a conference call with 6 people , search park4night and go to the toilet while driving lol. Just because a few silly people couldn't talk on a phone and drive they treat everyone the same

Is that all?? What about having a snooze? Maybe doing a crossword! The problem is you have to account for the the LCD, thats life. I don't give much thought to those that end crashing a car because they driver too fast, are on their phone, D&D etc. It's the person in the other car that gets killed that I feel for, and their kids, wife, husband etc. Thankfully it doesn't happen often but maybe it's because we have laws that say what you can and can't do in a couple of tons of metal, travelling at speed.

 

[TheBig1]

From memory they were banned due to the impact damage caused more major leg injuries than a shaped bonnet

But I do have a question are they classed as a modification by insurance companies?

This is curiosity or just plain nosey

yes they are a modification to the crumple zone of the vehicle totally voiding the NCAP rating and the insurance risk shoots up

 

[gus-lopez]

Instant prohibition notice and an expensive recovery and fine if pulled.

And just remove there and then in a couple of minutes.

The truck you have pictured carries hay and straw and is a specialist transporter spending time in farmers fields loading often in the dark that could be a reason for the large volume of lights .they are unlikely to be used on the public highway.

Always used in Spain at night to differentiate between the road and fields

The lights above the cab, as any off roader will tell you give a much better view and perspective of how deep any holes ditches may be.

This

I can pick one up locally for £30-40 a

But to be legal they need a coc and the homologation sticker has to be left stuck on the bars.

or just ban vehicles all together because pedestrians in the UK can't apply common sense like they can in other countries

In Spain pedestrians are road users same as a bicycle,motorbike,car ,etc& subject to the same rules.

From memory they were banned d

They aren't as long as homologation as above.

yes they are a modification to the crumple zone of the vehicle totally voiding the NCAP rating

So is an "A" frame?

 

[pelican]

Only a fool would make that kind of assumption. I'm perfectly aware of the requirements of the law for lighting and for bull bars. Next.

Then why fit them.

 

[pelican]

I think you might lose the argument if you resort to calling other people “Imbeciles”.

And Cretins

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[Northernraider]

Then why fit them.

For the same reason people fit alloy wheels, graphics , and any other modification.

Cosmetic .