Hotel California

[Deep Owl]

“Martin Cox, who chairs the Holiday and Home Parks Association, and has his own 500 caravan site in Dorset, is also having problems installing more chargers, despite many of his guests needing them.

He told the BBC: "In our area there just aren't many places to charge an electric car.

"So instead of enjoying themselves and visiting local attractions, they will be driving around trying to find a charger."”

These caravan parks are a microcosm of what’s in store. They will be Hotel California.

You can check out any time you like,

But you can never leave.

EVs are great for short journeys but the charge time is ridiculous. Who thinks 7-11 hours is ok, or being fleeced at a rip off public charger that has a good chance of not working.

Bin Net Zero.

 

[Guigsy]

7-11 hours is absolutely fine if you're sleeping.

I can't believe people are complaining that net zero is bad because it's inconvenient.

 

[SpeedyDux]

7-11 hours is absolutely fine if you're sleeping.

I can't believe people are complaining that net zero is bad because it's inconvenient.

Inconvenience is a mere by-product. See also: impoverishment, hypothermia, massacring birds and bats, having to eat bugs instead of meat - what's not to like?

 

[Guigsy]

A study was done where they radar tracked 18,000 birds flying in close proximity to the largest wind turbines in Europe. Not a single strike.

If you want to reduce world starvation, reducing meat consumption is a great place to start.

Climate change and the knock on political effects are going to be pretty inconvenient.

 

[SpeedyDux]

A study was done where they radar tracked 18,000 birds flying in close proximity to the largest wind turbines in Europe. Not a single strike.

If you want to reduce world starvation, reducing meat consumption is a great place to start.

Climate change and the knock on political effects are going to be pretty inconvenient.

You can easily find ample evidence of wind turbines causing immense numbers of deaths of birds (especially endangered raptors), bats, and also migratory insects.

Climate change is happening mainly because it always has. There has never been climate stasis. The better approach would be to spend far less money required for climate change effect mitigation.

I am more worried about serious proposals for solar dimming, which could be catastrophic for global food production.

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[Guigsy]

There have been worries about birds. It's mostly been anacdotal. Recent studies have found large glass buildings are far more of a threat than turbines. Bats look like they're more vulnerable, but mitigation measures look too be possible. And if their habitats disappear, there won't be bats to save.

Climate change has always happened. But it's happening 100 times faster than ever before. Far too fast for ecosystems to adapt. Far too fast to be sure we won't get a flipflop effect in systems like the gulf stream.

Solar cycles are very predictable and modellable. They have almost zero effect on the current climate change.

 

[SpeedyDux]

There have been worries about birds. It's mostly been anacdotal. Recent studies have found large glass buildings are far more of a threat than turbines. Bats look like they're more vulnerable, but mitigation measures look too be possible. And if their habitats disappear, there won't be bats to save.

Climate change has always happened. But it's happening 100 times faster than ever before. Far too fast for ecosystems to adapt. Far too fast to be sure we won't get a flipflop effect in systems like the gulf stream.

Solar cycles are very predictable and modellable. They have almost zero effect on the current climate change.

It would be closer to the truth to say that the powers-that-be don't care about the massacre of birds bats and insects.

The current inter-glacial warming period is projected to fall short of the highest average temperatures reached during previous warming periods. Ecosystems survived the previous warm periods up to 4c hotter than today. Human civilisations thrived.

 

[TDub49]

Just the one planet known to support life - shall we risk it for a few creature comforts or take a more cautious route so that following generations have somewhere habitable to live?


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[Tombola]

It would be closer to the truth to say that the powers-that-be don't care about the massacre of birds bats and insects.

Yeah...it's not like driving round pumping toxins in the air from diesel motors doenst harm anything..

Glass houses and stones .climate change is killing far far more birds etc that any wind turbines.

And as for bats...they must be blind them things are huuuge..

Seriously tho I was looking at a study a few months back that poo pooed the bird strike turbine thing..can't find it ATM as travelling but seems again it wasn't anywhere near as bad as rumoured.

 

[Guigsy]

Yeah...it's not like driving round pumping toxins in the air from diesel motors doenst harm anything..

Glass houses and stones .climate change is killing far far more birds etc that any wind turbines.

And as for bats...they must be blind them things are huuuge..

Seriously tho I was looking at a study a few months back that poo pooed the bird strike turbine thing..can't find it ATM as travelling but seems again it wasn't anywhere near as bad as rumoured.

The issue with bats is they have very delicate lungs. The sudden pressure change as a blade swings by is enough to cause them damage. More studies required.

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[Guigsy]

It would be closer to the truth to say that the powers-that-be don't care about the massacre of birds bats and insects.

The current inter-glacial warming period is projected to fall short of the highest average temperatures reached during previous warming periods. Ecosystems survived the previous warm periods up to 4c hotter than today. Human civilisations thrived.

The issue is how fast it's changing.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Yeah...it's not like driving round pumping toxins in the air from diesel motors doenst harm anything..

Glass houses and stones .climate change is killing far far more birds etc that any wind turbines.

And as for bats...they must be blind them things are huuuge..

Seriously tho I was looking at a study a few months back that poo pooed the bird strike turbine thing..can't find it ATM as travelling but seems again it wasn't anywhere near as bad as rumoured.

I fully expected the "whatabout all the birds killed by domestic cats each year" comparison. The divide is between those who wish to present the slaughter of wildlife by wind turbines as trivial collateral damage because climate change is a more pressing issue, and those who believe that the never ending slaughter of wildlife undermines the eco-case for wind energy.

 

[SIFTA SAM]

7-11 hours is absolutely fine if you're sleeping.

I can't believe people are complaining that net zero is bad because it's inconvenient.

Just reading that the German Government, to protect their car manufacturing industry are presently not agreeing to the proposed Net Zero dates with a couple of other EU members that supply parts are 'hesitating'.

 

[Tombola]

never ending slaughter of wildlife

I've never seen this ..do you have anything confirmed .
I'm all for it if it "mass slaughtering"..but haven yet to see anything that outweighs the benefits.

There are always some "collateral" damage but it depends on balance.

Wincanton were building a huuuuge 700,000 sq foot distribution centre near me..half way through they found a "nest" of newts..the wholem operation had to be stopped for months. Jobs..machines..deliveries building all stopped for months. Not sure how much it cost till the newts had been rehomed across the fields.
Now that's fine if the newts were some last time fnthe species etc but everything has to be balanced. Wind turbines and carbon emission reduction will save far more lives than a few birds.

 

[gus-lopez]

Bats look like they're more vulnerable, but mitigation measures look too be possible.

Then ubntil they are 100% effective in protecting the bats the y should not be used. same as any member of the public with bats has to protect them , build elsewhere, build new nesting sites first & foot the whole bill

And if their habitats disappear, there won't be bats to save.

They won't as above the habitat has to be altere
d to suit them before th e turbines can be turned on

And as for bats...they must be blind them things are huuuge..

They are, They use radar.

The issue is how fast it's changing.

Only to the few ,the rest have no interest as long as it doesn't interfere with there lives.

.the wholem operation had to be stopped for months. Jobs..machines..deliveries building all stopped for months.

Exactly & that is how it should be not like HS2 & clearing stuff using covid & lockdowns to hide all the illegal operations.

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[PaddyM]

It’s not eating too much meat , it’s not climate change , it’s not diesel motor vehicles , it’s too many people , far too many people , until we halt the population explosion that is killing our planet then we are just rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic.
My wife and I do not have children because of this very issue .

 

[Orion]

“Martin Cox, who chairs the Holiday and Home Parks Association, and has his own 500 caravan site in Dorset, is also having problems installing more chargers, despite many of his guests needing them.

He told the BBC: "In our area there just aren't many places to charge an electric car.

"So instead of enjoying themselves and visiting local attractions, they will be driving around trying to find a charger."”

These caravan parks are a microcosm of what’s in store. They will be Hotel California.

You can check out any time you like,

But you can never leave.

EVs are great for short journeys but the charge time is ridiculous. Who thinks 7-11 hours is ok, or being fleeced at a rip off public charger that has a good chance of not working.

Bin Net Zero.

He’s just appeared in a piece on our local BBC Spotlight News which featured the caravan ‘town’ at Brean, where they have (IIRC) a total of 3 EV chargers for the many hundred of units. The talking head from the RAC also highlighted the charge (see what I did there!) at the fast plugins on garage forecourts being more than twice the going domestic kWh rate.

 

[PaulyP]

The issue is how fast it's changing.

The earth has been here for billions of years, there’s always been climate changes and “mother” earth has coped and adapted. The biggest problem we have now is the population of the earth, it will eventually become unsustainable, the only way to cope will be a massive reduction in the population, maybe a mass cull is needed to half the population, whose first !

 

[PaddyM]

The earth has been here for billions of years, there’s always been climate changes and “mother” earth has coped and adapted. The biggest problem we have now is the population of the earth, it will eventually become unsustainable, the only way to cope will be a massive reduction in the population, maybe a mass cull is needed to half the population, whose first !

We culled by not breeding , it will take a massive mind blowing sea change across the globe to drastically reduce the global population and I’m not convinced it can happen , sadly ( and I mean at the extreme end of sadly ) that the tipping point has been reached and our beautiful and unique planet is doomed as long as humans inhabit it .
The plus point is once we extinguish ourselves from the eco system that the earth will recover , wow can you imagine how beautiful the reflowering of this planet would be to observe ?

 

[Just smiffy]

The earth has been here for billions of years, there’s always been climate changes and “mother” earth has coped and adapted. The biggest problem we have now is the population of the earth, it will eventually become unsustainable, the only way to cope will be a massive reduction in the population, maybe a mass cull is needed to half the population, whose first !

It’ll happen naturally… the dinosaurs lived for years compared to our seconds on this plant and there’s only a few descendants left,
Another 50k years and someone then will wonder what all the fuss was about…

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[Burgo]

You can easily find ample evidence of wind turbines causing immense numbers of deaths of birds (especially endangered raptors), bats, and also migratory insects.

Tosh. Just have a walk over a hill side with a bunch of wind turbines and count the corpses. There aren't any.

 

[Tombola]

My wife and I do not have children because of this very issue .

are you sure that's the issue just saying

10.5 billion by 2080 then a decline...have a read of Empty Planet: The Shock of Global Population Decline

population erosion is already beginning to have green shoots, slow down of "traditional relationships", then the likes of more career focused women not intersetd in families, trannies, he, she, they ,them, trans men wanting but unable to have babies, varying relationships, built around the here and now and not kids of the future.

Im not slanting one way or tother to any of the above, its fine for them as far as Im concerned, I belive in live and let live...... just saying the offspring will start to slow if the growth in this type of evloution continues, its a fact.
that and if they close the nightclubs round our way

plus, for example, in some European countries, such as Germany and Italy, the white population is declining due to low birth rates and aging populations. In the United States, the white population is projected to decline as a percentage of the total population due to higher birth rates among non-white populations and immigration.

 

[Silver-Fox]

population erosion is already beginning to have green shoots, slow down of "traditional relationships", then the likes of more career focused women not intersetd in families, trannies, he, she, they ,them, trans men wanting but unable to have babies, varying relationships, built around the here and now and not kids of the future.

I think we will find a decrease in Caucasian population as you describe above.

Other races will continue to grow due to their culture etc.

 

[Guigsy]

I think we will find a decrease in Caucasian population as you describe above.

Other races will continue to grow due to their culture etc.

If the average Caucasian only used the resources that other races use, we wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[Tombola]

decrease in Caucasian population

this is true already in the major countries, mind you looking at some of the young folk of today, I wouldnt want to have one like that with my name on it

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[PaulyP]

If the average Caucasian only used the resources that other races use, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Explain please !

 

[Tombola]

If the average Caucasian only used the resources that other races use, we wouldn't be in this mess.

big statement ! wow, thats not one Id like to get into, but it covers a whole heap of angles, and disussion.
But I always find statements like that should begin with looking at oneself and go from there.
though It is important to recognize that wastefulness or usage of resources amongst races is a behavior that can occur among individuals, organizations, or countries of any race or ethnicity.

The causes of wastefulness amongst humans are complex, and are often influenced by a range of factors such as culture, economics, education, and infrastructure, among others. Additionally, wastefulness can occur in different forms such as overconsumption, improper disposal of waste, inefficient resource use, and more. It is crucial that we approach the issue of wastefulness with empathy, understanding, and a willingness to work towards solutions that benefit everyone, regardless of their race or ethnicity.

 

[Guigsy]

big statement ! wow, thats not one Id like to get into, but it covers a whole heap of angles, and disussion.
But I always find statements like that should begin with looking at oneself and go from there.
though It is important to recognize that wastefulness or usage of resources amongst races is a behavior that can occur among individuals, organizations, or countries of any race or ethnicity.

The causes of wastefulness amongst humans are complex, and are often influenced by a range of factors such as culture, economics, education, and infrastructure, among others. Additionally, wastefulness can occur in different forms such as overconsumption, improper disposal of waste, inefficient resource use, and more. It is crucial that we approach the issue of wastefulness with empathy, understanding, and a willingness to work towards solutions that benefit everyone, regardless of their race or ethnicity.

I agree. Western mass consumption and throw away lifestyles are the issue. Our use of non renewable resources in ways that damage the environment. And then denialism that it's our problem. But if people want to use racial generalisations...

 

[Dave Scadding]

“Martin Cox, who chairs the Holiday and Home Parks Association, and has his own 500 caravan site in Dorset, is also having problems installing more chargers, despite many of his guests needing them.

He told the BBC: "In our area there just aren't many places to charge an electric car.

"So instead of enjoying themselves and visiting local attractions, they will be driving around trying to find a charger."”

These caravan parks are a microcosm of what’s in store. They will be Hotel California.

You can check out any time you like,

But you can never leave.

EVs are great for short journeys but the charge time is ridiculous. Who thinks 7-11 hours is ok, or being fleeced at a rip off public charger that has a good chance of not working.

Bin Net Zero.

He’s applying for planning permission for quite a large solar farm on some of the land he owns in Eype near the campsite. There’s quite a lot of local opposition.

 

[KD]

Getting back to the OP's original post, if I remember correctly this chap was on South Today last week. He owns Highlands End, and pointed out that they don't have to supply petrol or diesel, so why should they provide car charging points?

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