Height of Safefill outlet, not the overall diemensions

[GoCoeGo]

Does any one have a 10kg bottle to measure and tell me the outlet height please?
I am looking at having one Safefill 10kg, and 1 calor 6kg backup. The age of the van, and with it being my first, means I would rather not spend the money on a proper refillable solution. And wait to see in the future.

I am conscious that the regulator needs to be higher than the outlet, so as to avoid liquid travelling up.
My regulator height is 600mm, and the overall height of the Safefill 10kg is 580mm. So too tight realistically, but if the output is lower, then with a tether on the hose attached to the underside of the locker roof to keep it raised, I am hoping it will be okay.

Please feel free to comment on the wider solution that I have presented, and if anyone feels this would then be unsafe.

I was hoping order the parts from autogasshop.co.uk, as their prices seem to very respectable, and they stock pretty much everything. I looked at a used Safefill bottle. Limited in my area of Perth though, and I saw one a few hours drive away, but its 7 years into its 10 years life, and £150, which is too much I think given its age. The seller is sticking to his price also.

 

[PlacidoD]

On my way out for the afternoon but will measure precisely on my return. I would say top of the screw thread is circa 550 mm.

I agree £150 is too much for a 7 year old cylinder even if full of gas (but many do not appreciate the limited lifespan and so he may get that price!)

 

[GoCoeGo]

On my way out for the afternoon but will measure precisely on my return. I would say top of the screw thread is circa 550 mm.

I agree £150 is too much for a 7 year old cylinder even if full of gas (but many do not appreciate the limited lifespan and so he may get that price!)

Thanks PlacidoD , That would be very helpful.

 

[Pausim]

£150 is a criminal price for a 7 year old cylinder with only 3 years life left. I bought a new unused 10kg one a year ago for £167. The dealer discounted it because it was old stock with just over 9 years life left in it.

I am not in a position to measure the height of the Safefill outlet (van in storage) but it is not very much below the full height of the cylinder. If the height of the regulator is a problem you could fit a filter to it, this should intercept any condensate that might otherwise cause a problem. The hose really needs to run downhill all the way from the regulator back to the bottle and hitching it to the locker roof would mean part of the hose would run downhill into the regulator.

 

[GoCoeGo]

£150 is a criminal price for a 7 year old cylinder with only 3 years life left. I bought a new unused 10kg one a year ago for £167. The dealer discounted it because it was old stock with just over 9 years life left in it.

I am not in a position to measure the height of the Safefill outlet (van in storage) but it is not very much below the full height of the cylinder. If the height of the regulator is a problem you could fit a filter to it, this should intercept any condensate that might otherwise cause a problem. The hose really needs to run downhill all the way from the regulator back to the bottle and hitching it to the locker roof would mean part of the hose would run downhill into the regulator.

Thanks for your reply Pausim , I agree with you that its potentially not much clearance. In which case I would err on the side of caution. I'm interested about the filter though, Although I don't know much about them. If you get the time, would you be able to send a link of one if possible? - Maybe I can get it from the same shop.

I do have clearance to move the regulator higher up. This may be a better solution also, but will require me to find someone gas safe to do this. But that would give wiggle room.

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[LithiumConvert]

Are you aware that Safefill do 3 differrent sizes?

 

[GoCoeGo]

Are you aware that Safefill do 3 differrent sizes?

Hi @LithiumConvert,Yes, And I was really looking at the 10kg, as it maximises the potential of it, as opposed to the smaller one. After much reading on here, the consensus seemed to be that if you are going for any refillable, then go for the maximum size you can fit. If i need to extend the regualtor higher up, this seemed like a worth trade off for a small extension.

That was my thoughts anyway...

 

[LithiumConvert]

I do not have a ruler with me, but my judgement is not usually way out.

I have just had a look at my two bottles and think the answer to your question is 3 inches, although the newer bottle is slightly higher.

But, surely what really matters is the height of the liquid if you keep the bottles upright and turned off whilst travelling.

With your measurements, I do not think you have a problem. Go for it.

 

[Pausim]

Thanks for your reply Pausim , I agree with you that its potentially not much clearance. In which case I would err on the side of caution. I'm interested about the filter though, Although I don't know much about them. If you get the time, would you be able to send a link of one if possible? - Maybe I can get it from the same shop.

I do have clearance to move the regulator higher up. This may be a better solution also, but will require me to find someone gas safe to do this. But that would give wiggle room.

This is the Truma filter.

Truma Gas Filter GT

Truma gas filter effectively protects regulators and valves against dirt and oil residues. We all know the problem: “The liquid gas contains some oily substances, drips of which are carried in the gas flow. They are deposited in the gas pressure regulator and valves which in turn gradually clog...

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[PlacidoD]

I was correct in my guestimate - 550 mm to the uppermost thread of the connector.

Looking at my setup - my regulator is maybe 600 mm with the inlet pipe facing uppermost. The pipe attached from the SafeFill bottle in use tends to arc upwards and curve down to the regulator in the space above. I have had zero problems with it like that. There is some potential for me to move the regulator higher but I take the view "If it ain't broke don't fix it!". I would leave yours as is. Provided you are refilling in the UK you should have no problems. There do tend to be slight oily deposits refilling with some EU LPG (I forget which countries at the moment). So provided you avoid that you should be OK.

With two 11kg cylinders barring long winter holidays in the Alps I am unlikely to need to refill "sur le continent" so I should have no problems.

P.S. Last Spring I bought one cylinder brand new and then spotted an Ebay auction for a 2nd cylinder going locally with 7 years of life left and full of gas. I think my winning bid for that was £150. (And only then did I discover that I needed to enlarge the entrance to the locker by a couple millimetres to get a 2nd bottle in!! No big problem I just needed to tighten the radiuses at the upper corners. The door is not flush fitting but rather closes against the locker wall. so easy to do.)

Hope that helps!

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[GoCoeGo]

This is the Truma filter.

Truma Gas Filter GT

Truma gas filter effectively protects regulators and valves against dirt and oil residues. We all know the problem: “The liquid gas contains some oily substances, drips of which are carried in the gas flow. They are deposited in the gas pressure regulator and valves which in turn gradually clog...

autogasshop.co.uk

Thanks again Pausim.. that's very useful. I think I'll go for that as well.

 

[GoCoeGo]

I do not have a ruler with me, but my judgement is not usually way out.

But, surely what really matters is the height of the liquid if you keep the bottles upright and turned off whilst travelling.

With your measurements, I do not think you have a problem. Go for it.

Thanks LithiumConvert . Very true. And i considered that actually. What with an 80% fill and turning the bottles off, as i always do.

I was correct in my guestimate - 550 mm to the uppermost thread of the connector.



Hope that helps!

PlacidoD, that's brilliant. Thank you for all that info. And I think i may add the filter mentioned above, so that should help with any deposits. I only really plan on the future going to France. But I don't want to take any chances.