Headlight LED conversion - automatic Mot failure

[Ditcha]

Theses look to be a great product. Unfortunately the limited list of Countries where they are currently approved for legal road use does not include the UK. Perhaps Osram will be seeking the necessary approval.

I wouldn't hold your breath they have been approved for over a year.
Problem we have is there is good and bad quality LEDs out there but the way it should work is if they give you the correct beam pattern they should be okay rather than a fail just because they are LEDs.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Headlight bulb hokey-cokey it will be come MOT day!

For those frustrated by the dim Fiat glowlights. Don't throw the old ones away.

Same with those who don’t fit a front number plate. Illegal plates etc

 

[TDub49]

It’s my failing but I do get irritated by those who take the jobsworth “oh no, you shouldn’t do that” approach. We aren’t kids.

Point something out if you think the poster is unaware by all means, but shaking an internet finger at them because YOU disapprove is very sad.

Insurance companies do not fail to pay because of a deviation from the policy.
They are olbiged by law to provide basic cover.

If you’ve totally led them up the garden path, then they try their hardest to avoid a payout.

It depends upon the seriousness, and whether it’s related to the claim.

So a change in headlamp bulb is very unlikely to result in a failure to payout for a claim for a stolen vehicle.


At worst, payouts are reduced pro rata

You may be right but I wonder how many people are aware of what modifications they need to declare to their insurers at the risk of invalidating their policy if not declared? The operative word here is "risk" and I guess that's an individual choice just like driving without insurance is . . . .

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[TDub49]

I was nearly into a wall above a low grass bank the other night.
Mainly because of the crap Hyundai headlamps and deminishing night vision..
Katur H7 LEDs soon in both main and dip and bugger the mot.

Eye test maybe

 

[Lenny HB]

Theses look to be a great product. Unfortunately the limited list of Countries where they are currently approved for legal road use does not include the UK. Perhaps Osram will be seeking the necessary approval.

As they are approved in Germany and other EU countries they must be E marked which would make them legal even in the UK. But with UK MOT regulations they would fail an MOT. So in theory they would be legal until the car is 3 years old.

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[Oldrat]

If you have watched a programme on TV called Vintage Voltage there is a Company in Newtown that converts old cars to EV's. They would like to fit LED lights bt do ot as it is not allowed by law.

Somebody earlier on suggested that people who obeyed the law was a jobsworth. To my mind that is a very inappropriate statement. People can inadvertently break the law of the land unknowingly, but to transgress the law knowingly is foolhardy.

Sorry VM, but you mis-read my post.
I did not say that folk who break the law are jobsworths.

Of course in a perfect world, no one should break the law.

However, for everyone who has knowingly travelled at 31mph in a 30 mph speed limit, having some internet wag speedily jumping to cry out the bleeding obvious “but it’s wrong”, IS in my humble opinion a “Jobsworth”

 

[Ninjabob]

LEDs - the new A-Frame.

thank you for giving the insurance industry a reason not to payout in the event of an accident claim with an illegal modification.

They would probably have to prove that fitting LED bulbs contributed in some way to the accident.

 

[Millcourt]

I wouldn't hold your breath they have been approved for over a year.
Problem we have is there is good and bad quality LEDs out there but the way it should work is if they give you the correct beam pattern they should be okay rather than a fail just because they are LEDs.

As they are approved in Germany and other EU countries they must be E marked which would make them legal even in the UK. But with UK MOT regulations they would fail an MOT. So in theory they would be legal until the car is 3 years old.

Not sure about this, Ditcha and Lenny HB ,as the Osram Website shows a list of only 7 countries where these LED lights are approved. However, when you look at the details for each of these counties there is a sub-list of specific vehicles for which they are approved. This does not seem to be the same for all of these countries. The one I checked and Google translated was France and it was pleasing to see that the Fiat Ducato is listed. It seems perhaps that there is not yet pan-EU approval.

Thought I might email Osram in Germany to see what they say about UK approval. I got the following automated supply and when/if I get a UK-specific response I will post it on this thread. My email to Osram and response are :

Email to Osram……


Can you advise if “Night Breaker LED” bulbs are legal for road use and will not fail at MOT in the UK please.

I would like to fit these to my 2022 Fiat Ducato motorhome.

Thank you.


Automated reply…….

Dear Sir or Madam,

We have received your request. Due to the numerous inquiries about the H7 Night Breaker LED, the response times are longer than usual.

We apologise for the inconvenience caused.

We are continuously working on testing the H7 Night Breaker LED for other vehicle models and having it approved by the Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA).

We ask for your understanding that due to the complex test procedure, we cannot currently make a concrete statement about when a particular vehicle will be registered and whether other LED types will also be registered.

Latest information on newly registered vehicles can always be found at: www.osram.de/ledcheck

Whether you need the LEDriving Adaptor, the LEDriving Smart Canbus or the LEDrivingCAP to install the H7 Night Breaker LED can also be found in the vehicle list.

Decisive for the fulfilment of the registration criteria is only the matching of the headlamp approval number on the headlamps of your vehicle and in the compatibility list. The vehicle data (model, type, year of construction, etc.) only serve to simplify the identification of the vehicle.

For more answers to your questions, please refer to our FAQ.

If you do not find an answer to your question or have a complaint here either, we will process your request as soon as possible.

Thank you for your understanding.

 

[cyberyacht]

Either eat more carrots or only drive during the day.

 

[Millcourt]

Not sure about this, Ditcha and Lenny HB ,as the Osram Website shows a list of only 7 countries where these LED lights are approved. However, when you look at the details for each of these counties there is a sub-list of specific vehicles for which they are approved. This does not seem to be the same for all of these countries. The one I checked and Google translated was France and it was pleasing to see that the Fiat Ducato is listed. It seems perhaps that there is not yet pan-EU approval.

Thought I might email Osram in Germany to see what they say about UK approval. I got the following automated supply and when/if I get a UK-specific response I will post it on this thread. My email to Osram and response are :

Email to Osram……


Can you advise if “Night Breaker LED” bulbs are legal for road use and will not fail at MOT in the UK please.

I would like to fit these to my 2022 Fiat Ducato motorhome.

Thank you.


Automated reply…….

Dear Sir or Madam,

We have received your request. Due to the numerous inquiries about the H7 Night Breaker LED, the response times are longer than usual.

We apologise for the inconvenience caused.

We are continuously working on testing the H7 Night Breaker LED for other vehicle models and having it approved by the Federal Motor Transport Authority (KBA).

We ask for your understanding that due to the complex test procedure, we cannot currently make a concrete statement about when a particular vehicle will be registered and whether other LED types will also be registered.

Latest information on newly registered vehicles can always be found at: www.osram.de/ledcheck

Whether you need the LEDriving Adaptor, the LEDriving Smart Canbus or the LEDrivingCAP to install the H7 Night Breaker LED can also be found in the vehicle list.

Decisive for the fulfilment of the registration criteria is only the matching of the headlamp approval number on the headlamps of your vehicle and in the compatibility list. The vehicle data (model, type, year of construction, etc.) only serve to simplify the identification of the vehicle.

For more answers to your questions, please refer to our FAQ.

If you do not find an answer to your question or have a complaint here either, we will process your request as soon as possible.

Thank you for your understanding.

Have now received the following reply from “Technical Support”……..

Hi, these products do not have ECE approval. This means they must not be used on public roads. Please note: Use on public roads to cancellation of operating license and loss of insurance coverage.

I presume this is a translation into English from the original in German. I take it to mean that Night Breaker LEDs are not (yet) approved for use in the UK and might well lead to an MOT failure. I take it that the reference to insurance cover is a warning to ensure that Osram accept no responsibilty in the event of a related insurance claim being rejected.

For the present, I will stick with the original Fiat lighting.

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