Have you checked your drivers licence expiry date ?

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Hello all,
I had to supply proof of I.D. to do with a legal matter this week, and to my horror I just had a call from the legal people from that company to tell me "sorry we cannot accept an expired drivers licence as proof of I.D.
I know the expiry date is 01/12/2024. However I have, like a lot of us an HGV entitlement.
Now before you all kick the crap out of me, I know I should have read every single detail of the licence.
However it would appear that the DVLA, in it's infinite wisdom, has seen fit to put the expiry date of my HGV entitlement on the front of the licence 4b. That date is 01/12/2022. This is because over the age of 70 you have to take a medical every year to keep that entitlement. You can take a medical every three years if you just want to keep your 7500kg entitlement.
Every thing else expires on 01/12/2024. So why is that date not on the front ?
Today I checked with the DVLA and the lady told me the "card" is out of date but I can still use the other categories ? I said to her, Try telling that to the police in the EU. She then said "oh no you cannot do that you must renew your licence again. There's silly old me thinking the "card" was my licence.
Now I have to re-apply for my licence on form D2, and include a covering letter stating I wish to remove my HGV entitlement.
I have always thought the expiry date was just that. 4b on the front.
If I am right, or for that matter wrong I would suggest if you are over 70 you check your expiry date on the front of you licence.
It took me 9 months from my medical to licence in my hand when I renewed December 2021.
I wonder how long before I can go abroad now.
I think I have a really nice 2018 Bessacarr 524 for sale. 3600 miles from new. Anyone interested.
 
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kingspeed said:
This is because over the age of 70 you have to take a medical every year to keep that entitlement.
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I do feel for you, as I found the same on my last renewal, which technically meant, I was driving in the EU Jan to March this year, on an expired Licence....................even though the new one had been issued, but didn't arrive before we left the UK. :(

It's actually age 65, whereupon you need to take a medical annually, if you want to keep your HGV/PSV entitlements, rather than age 70.

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
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This is my understanding.
4b is the expiry of the license. This is every 10 years and not linked to any entitlements. It is mainly to ensure that the photo is kept up to date.
Entitlements are listed separately and can be before or after the actual cards expiry.
 
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Gromett said:
This is my understanding.
4b is the expiry of the license. This is every 10 years and not linked to any entitlements. It is mainly to ensure that the photo is kept up to date.
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Not once you reach 65 years of age Karl, and applying to retain HGV/PSV entitlements. Please see above. (y)

My latest licence (4b) now expires 22 Dec 2023, yet my other driver categories expire March 2027, when I reach age 70.

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
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Further.........................

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The only restriction is code 01, Eyesight Correction.

Jock. :)

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kingspeed said:
Every thing else expires on 01/12/2024. So why is that date not on the front ?
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Unless the uk does it differently,it should be. The date of expiry of the licence is & always was, the date of the longest running group .Mine has an expiry of 2026 (over 70) for the car but the C1 requires renewal in 2024 . 5 years & 3 years now once you get to 70 whereas before it is 10 years & 5 years
 
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kingspeed said:
"sorry we cannot accept an expired drivers licence as proof of I.D.
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You should also point out to them that the licence does not , nor has it ever expired until you are 70.
The 4B is only a date for the renewal of the photograph.
A Uk driving licence ,once issued, does not expire until you are 70 years of age when it requires renewing.
 
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gus-lopez said:
Unless the uk does it differently,it should be. The date of expiry of the licence is & always was, the date of the longest running group .Mine has an expiry of 2026 (over 70) for the car but the C1 requires renewal in 2024 . 5 years & 3 years now once you get to 70 whereas before it is 10 years & 5 years
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No, Since the photo license came in the 4b expiry is every 10 years and requires photo.

JockandRita said:
Not once you reach 65 years of age Karl, and applying to retain HGV/PSV entitlements. Please see above. (y)

My latest licence (4b) now expires 22 Dec 2023, yet my other driver categories expire March 2027, when I reach age 70.

Cheers,

Jock. :)
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I think you may be missing what I was saying. 4b is when the card itself expires and is every 10years. If you look at your previous one 4b would show 22 Dec 2013.
The categories are independent of this,. My C1 expired when I was 45 until I took a medical. So it expired before my card (4b) expired.
 
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Ah I stand corrected just checked and if you have gained your first license or renewed after 19th January 2013 then it is a 5 year cycle not a 10 year cycle.

If you apply to claim your first lorry or bus test pass or renew your driving licence on or after 19 January 2013, the licence issued will be valid for a maximum of 5 years. This affects you if you have passed driving tests for categories C1, C, D1, D, C1E, CE, D1E or DE
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Changes to the driving licence and categories

From 19 January 2013 driving licences changed and now look different to comply with new EU rules.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

This is strange as my last license lasted 10 years and expired in 2019. My new one has 4b as 2029.

edit: just checked. Because I let my C1 expire I am on the 10 year cycle not the 5 year cycle.

Jeez. they don't make it easy to follow do they :D
 
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Gromett said:
No, Since the photo license came in the 4b expiry is every 10 years and requires photo.



I think you may be missing what I was saying. 4b is when the card itself expires and is every 10years. If you look at your previous one 4b would show 22 Dec 2013.
The categories are independent of this,. My C1 expired when I was 45 until I took a medical. So it expired before my card (4b) expired.
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Not at age 65 onward Karl, if retaining HGV/PSV entitlements.

Previous licence.
3 = DOB.
4a = issued.
4b = expiry.

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Current licence expires 22 Dec 2023, because I applied for it early, knowing that I was going away in January.

Cheers

Jock. :)

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Not that I need my C1 but I just checked my licence.

It has no dates on it other than a valid from date and an expiry date of my 70th birthday in 2027.

It doesn’t come out of my wallet very often and the paper has all but disintegrated. 🤣
 
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Gromett said:
No, Since the photo license came in the 4b expiry is every 10 years and requires photo.
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No it doesn't .You have been conned like everyone else. To comply with the ec the Uk introduced the requirement that you "renew" the photo on the licence every 10 years as they new if they attemped to state that it was licence renewal that ,like ID cards , they would never get it passed.
So that is what it is & always has been .I know of people who regularly enquire of the dvla when they will be takling them to court as they have never renewed in 24 years.
They have now stated it so often that everyone believes it.
there is no requirement to renew the licence .
The requirement,& offence,if they ever attempted to prosecute which they won't, is for failing to renew the photograph.
A UK drivers licence ,once registered after pasing the test , is valid until the age of 70 & there is no requirement to carry it either.
Ask the dvla how many times they have 'prosecuted' anyone for "failing to renew there licence" ?
The answer is & always has been zero. There is no requirement in law for it. Only the photo & that is not a legal requirment.
 
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Hello you funny people,
Oh deep joy.
I decided to email the DVLA to see how easy it will be to rectify my licence issue.
Now there's a laugh as I didn't think I had one, but I have. This is an extract of the email reply I have received today.

"We appreciate that you have taken the time to contact us in relation to this matter.
Upon checking your driving licence record, I can confirm the photocard licence has expired due to your C and CE lorry entitlements.

If you wish to surrender your C and CE lorry entitlements and wish to have them reinstated, you can reinstate this at any time using a D2 and D4 application form.

You can also surrender your C and CE and keep your C1 (3500kgs to 7500kgs) implied entitlement using the D2 and D4 application forms. This will then need to be renewed every 3 years in line with your over 70 licence (category B).

Your photocard licence has expired due to the Ce and CE lorry entitlements but you can still drive your category B and C1 entitlement as, these entitlements are still valid.

Please note: Driving in GB with an expired photocard licence is an offence which could result in a fine of up to £1,000. The Police are responsible for the prosecution of this offence, not DVL

If you wish to surrender your C and CE entitlement and keep your C1, C1E, D1 and D1E, please see the following information.

You will need to complete a D2 application form and a D4 medical report." Unquote.

Now I hope you are all paying attention as I will be asking question at the end of this lesson.
I particularly like the part that says I can still drive as my other categories are still valid, and then says it is an offence to drive with an expired photo card. WHAT.

Basically I am shafted if I use any of my forms of transportation if I drive ?

Just a thought, can funsters go on strike. 😂

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The 4b section on my licence expires in August which coincides with the 5 year medical date for my C & CE catagories. Just mulling whether i want to take the medical again or just surrender the C & CE, everything else runs to 2033.
 
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The category expiry dates only apply if you took an actual test for each category.
Grandfather rights are unaffected
I just checked mine and every category expires 12/6/2027, presumably midnight as my70th birthday is 13th..

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My last 10 year photo renewal was only 4 years late.
DVLA started the new one on the date of renewal, not expiry of the last one.
 
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To keep my HGV & PSV valid, I have to have an annual medical now, having passed the age of 65. This means that my licence is only valid for 22cx months, no matter how recent the photograph is.............purely because of the need to renew the categories annually.

If I am honest, technically when travelling through the EU December to March, I was driving illegally according to the dates on my licence..........which had been renewed, but had not arrived in time for me to take with me. :doh: It was a chance I took which paid off for me. The UK Licencing rules are so complicated, even Traffic Bobbies struggle to keep up with them. :(

Cheers,

Jock. :)
 
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gus-lopez said:
Unless the uk does it differently,it should be. The date of expiry of the licence is & always was, the date of the longest running group .Mine has an expiry of 2026 (over 70) for the car but the C1 requires renewal in 2024 . 5 years & 3 years now once you get to 70 whereas before it is 10 years & 5 years
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Nearly had a heart attack till I checked mine all mine expire in 2025 when I hit 70 (y)

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kingspeed said:
Hello all,
I had to supply proof of I.D. to do with a legal matter this week, and to my horror I just had a call from the legal people from that company to tell me "sorry we cannot accept an expired drivers licence as proof of I.D.
I know the expiry date is 01/12/2024. However I have, like a lot of us an HGV entitlement.
Now before you all kick the crap out of me, I know I should have read every single detail of the licence.
However it would appear that the DVLA, in it's infinite wisdom, has seen fit to put the expiry date of my HGV entitlement on the front of the licence 4b. That date is 01/12/2022. This is because over the age of 70 you have to take a medical every year to keep that entitlement. You can take a medical every three years if you just want to keep your 7500kg entitlement.
Every thing else expires on 01/12/2024. So why is that date not on the front ?
Today I checked with the DVLA and the lady told me the "card" is out of date but I can still use the other categories ? I said to her, Try telling that to the police in the EU. She then said "oh no you cannot do that you must renew your licence again. There's silly old me thinking the "card" was my licence.
Now I have to re-apply for my licence on form D2, and include a covering letter stating I wish to remove my HGV entitlement.
I have always thought the expiry date was just that. 4b on the front.
If I am right, or for that matter wrong I would suggest if you are over 70 you check your expiry date on the front of you licence.
It took me 9 months from my medical to licence in my hand when I renewed December 2021.
I wonder how long before I can go abroad now.
I think I have a really nice 2018 Bessacarr 524 for sale. 3600 miles from new. Anyone interested.
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Your avatar takes me back. Transcontinental.... what a beast they were.
 
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Will i need to apply for a photo licience to renew my C1 when 70 or can i just keep my paper one.
 
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My situation is I am Waiting to have a cataract removed, I have hgv and need a medical before 2nd of July, I’m booked on Brittany ferries for Spain on the 10th of September, my C1 doesn’t run out until 2025, but my licence expires 2nd July , can I still legally drive my 4400kg motorhome abroad If my licence doesn’t come back in time?.

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Mickey1 said:
My situation is I am Waiting to have a cataract removed, I have hgv and need a medical before 2nd of July, I’m booked on Brittany ferries for Spain on the 10th of September, my C1 doesn’t run out until 2025, but my licence expires 2nd July , can I still legally drive my 4400kg motorhome abroad If my licence doesn’t come back in time?.
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No, the rules that allow you to drive here, whilst awaiting your new licence do not apply in Europe.
 
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So having done the D4 medical and submitted all the forms to renew the C1 from when I turn 70, I was feeling pretty smug especially as the eyesight was 6/6 following double cataract surgery.
Then I saw this thread mentioning eyesight correction code 01 which is on my existing licence but now in the tender care of DVLA for the renewal process.
So -is it legally necessary to tell DVLA that I no longer wear glasses and if so, how do I do it? Can't find anything on Gov.uk not that I am going to do anything before I get shiny new licence back!
 
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