Hankook RA18 vantra vs Conti 4 Season vs Mich Agilis Cross Climate

In my earlier post I said that I run mine at 5.0 bar front and 5.5 at rear what does the members think about reducing the pressure and the insurance complications of a lower pressure, also is it worth replacing them even though they have only done 4k and what would you put on instead . #20
 
I put hancooks vantras m&s on front .on the back is contis m&S
 
camoyboy said:
Carthago are now fitting Continental 225/75 R 16 118 All Season (3 peaks) Camper tyres. Another one to add to the mix. However I have not been able to find one listed anywhere as yet, as I would like to get one for a spare.
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I've been looking for some new tyres for my van, and have found the Contis at Kwik-Fit. The three peak tyres are the 118 load rating, not the cheaper 116/114

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We have the Michelin Agilis Camper all round. Seems to me to be a personal preference, if it was science, we would all have the same tyres on.

Go with what you think is best at a price point you are happy with.
 
POH said:
In my earlier post I said that I run mine at 5.0 bar front and 5.5 at rear what does the members think about reducing the pressure and the insurance complications of a lower pressure, also is it worth replacing them even though they have only done 4k and what would you put on instead . #20
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Have you not read any other posts ?
 
POH said:
I have Michellin camper on ours sticker on door frame says 5.0 bar front 5.5 on rear , would it make a difference if I lowered both settings ,and what about insurance complications if involved in bad accident if not at the recommended pressure , the ride is a bit hard , only done 4k so long way before I change them .
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Put it this way.
Every vehicle I have owned (alright, exclude the first 10yrs. as they were metal hooped, wooden spoked efforts) had a sticker somewhere that indicated that the tyre pressure should be increased, dependent upon the load on each axle.
Cut to motorhomes. Michelin I believe, (contradict me if I'm wrong) are the only manufacturer who insist on on 'one pressure fits all'.
As for Insurance Co's, if you can show that your van's tyres were inflated to a pressure that was acceptable in comparison to other tyre manufacturers (and many of them use the load imparted as a reference) then the Insurance Co. can't have an axe to grind.
 
Garratt said:
I've been looking for some new tyres for my van, and have found the Contis at Kwik-Fit. The three peak tyres are the 118 load rating, not the cheaper 116/114

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Camper tyres have reinforced side walls. Apparently because when they sit still for long periods, it prevents the tyre from deforming. Many here are sceptical that it helps. And if you don't put your van in storage for months at at time, it's unnecessary. What those side walls do though is make the ride much harsher. I don't think the effect is as bad with Continental Campers as Michelin Campers, but it's still there.

The higher load capacity of your tyres, the heavier they'll be, the worse MPG you'll get and harder they'll ride because they have more plys. Don't get something that's massively heavier than you need. There's plenty of safety margin built in. The only benefit can be that you can because the tyre is so lightly loaded for their capacity, you can use a lower pressure. But Camper tyres tend to have higher recommend pressures too.
 
Just to add to the confusion, I plan to try Bridgestone Duravis All Season.

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Guigsy said:
Camper tyres have reinforced side walls. Apparently because when they sit still for long periods, it prevents the tyre from deforming. Many here are sceptical that it helps. And if you don't put your van in storage for months at at time, it's unnecessary. What those side walls do though is make the ride much harsher. I don't think the effect is as bad with Continental Campers as Michelin Campers, but it's still there.

The higher load capacity of your tyres, the heavier they'll be, the worse MPG you'll get and harder they'll ride because they have more plys. Don't get something that's massively heavier than you need. There's plenty of safety margin built in. The only benefit can be that you can because the tyre is so lightly loaded for their capacity, you can use a lower pressure. But Camper tyres tend to have higher recommend pressures too.
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I know 😉. I’ll be fitting Michelin Agilis Cross Climate to my van in the next couple of weeks, but thought others looking for an all season camper tyre might like to know that the Contis are an option, and they have the correct 3 peak label rather than M+S.
 
I fitted these to my van earlier this year, very happy with them as are a few others on here.
 

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Dont think I would fit Cross Climates again , Changed one rear in August at three years old but should have changed it sooner really , I think a tyre that shows bad sidewall cracks at two years old is not fit for purpose.
Will have to change another shortly as that's badly cracking as well.
 

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I always gave them a liberal and regular coating of McGuire’s tyre treatment to keep them ok.
 
There seems to be s real shortage of tyres at the moment. I need 225/75/16 and cant find Toyo observe Van tyres at a sensible price.

Davinti have released and all season van tyre called vantoura but it is in limited supply and sizes.

Guess I'll wait a few months and hope things settle down.
 
We've got some tyres marked M&S – didn't know they made tyres! – and some marked S&M. No comment.

But, as mentioned on another thread, my fronts are Michelin Cross Climate (fwd) that have done 21k, and the rears, which are the original Michelin CPs have done a mighty 45k. I'm very happy with the Cross Climates, which at 21k look about half worn, drive well and are more comfortable than the original CPs which were on the front and wore out at 24k. It's odd that they wore out so fast on the front compared to the Cross Climates, and lasted so well on the rear.
 
The other point is that the rear CPs with their stiff walls aren't really suited to the Ducato pvc's suspension system with its rubber bung shockers. They don't absorb the shocks well. But they don't seem to want to wear out!
 
clanjones said:
There seems to be s real shortage of tyres at the moment. I need 225/75/16 and cant find Toyo observe Van tyres at a sensible price.

Davinti have released and all season van tyre called vantoura but it is in limited supply and sizes.

Guess I'll wait a few months and hope things settle down.
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I’ve been tracking observe tyres since beginning of September, they was £109 fitted, the same supplier is selling the same at £162, they’ve been going up every other day🤷‍♂️
 
clanjones said:
There seems to be s real shortage of tyres at the moment. I need 225/75/16 and cant find Toyo observe Van tyres at a sensible price.

Davinti have released and all season van tyre called vantoura but it is in limited supply and sizes.

Guess I'll wait a few months and hope things settle down.
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did you find any at a reasonable price yet ?
 
Nothing apart from the Maxxis. If you don't want the 3 peaks then nexens could be worth looking at.

I'm in no hurry so can wait a few months until things hopefully settle down but given the current situation with omnicron I guess that might not happen!
 
Update I ended up getting Firestone Vanhawk2 snow tyres, just come back from Germany, they seem ok in cold temps, good grip, good water dispersal and are quite quiet.
£125 a corner👍
 
clanjones said:
Nothing apart from the Maxxis. If you don't want the 3 peaks then nexens could be worth looking at.

I'm in no hurry so can wait a few months until things hopefully settle down but given the current situation with omnicron I guess that might not happen!
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If you wait a few months you will have even more of a problem with supplies as it will be the wrong season.

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Yep that had crossed my mind well! Lenny HB.

It is a real dilema. Toyo did say they were expecting some deliveries in February but who knows!
 
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Dorwyn said:
We've got some tyres marked M&S – didn't know they made tyres! – and some marked S&M. No comment.

But, as mentioned on another thread, my fronts are Michelin Cross Climate (fwd) that have done 21k, and the rears, which are the original Michelin CPs have done a mighty 45k. I'm very happy with the Cross Climates, which at 21k look about half worn, drive well and are more comfortable than the original CPs which were on the front and wore out at 24k. It's odd that they wore out so fast on the front compared to the Cross Climates, and lasted so well on the rear.
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Front wheel drive on a 3.5t van they will wear with the steering and drive on those two tyres. You might get 3x tyre wear of the rears?
 
Well getting there slowly re Commercial van tyres. I was having a hard time understanding what the maximum tyre pressures are on Commercial van tyres are and drawing a blank with suppliers until I came across this web side. It provides some quite interesting reading if you want to understand more about tyre ratings and lables.

There is loads (excuse the pun!) of information, quite a lot for the US market but they do cover European Lableling as well. These articles sorted out my maximum pressure and load queries!


 
Just bought 2 Continental Vancontact 4 seasons for the front as Zi have 2 tyres very close to minimums and if it’s going to be snowing soon. I am considering Black Rhino Alloys and Grabbers but don’t want to rush into buying them yet.
 
I guess you guys have noticed that most winter tyres have a D rating for fuel efficiency. The Toyo Observes have a slightly better rolling resistance rated at "C", & the Maxis Vansmart Snow WL2 even better at a "B" rating, "A" for barking, & 71DB for road noise.:xThumb:
I thought I would give Google the task of telling me how much the difference there actually is between say a "B" rated and a "D" rated tyre, and got these answers.
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How much difference does the fuel rating on tyres make?
Tyres are rated between A – E; A being the most fuel efficient, E bring the least fuel efficient. The difference between each category means a reduction or increase in fuel consumption of 3-4%.

Is it worth getting fuel efficient tyres?
The personal benefit is the fact that you can get so much more out of your vehicle in terms of mileage, due to the lower rolling resistance. As a result of this, energy saving tyres can save up to 440 litres of fuel over the lifetime of the tyres.

NB: I have not highlighted any of the script in bold type.
Armed with this info, would it change your decision in choosing a particular tyre, or would you just accept that you want a good all rounder performer in terms of safety, longevity, comfort, like many I guess would?
LES

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