Haggling Is It A Waste Of Time!
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Sapper520
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Did our deal in January 2020…….same van with all the extras now………a lot more. 
I do wonder how many “holding fees” the dealer takes....
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Apologies if already said, as I have not got time to read all the posts.
I think you have already closed the door on haggling by leaving a deposit at the asking price, unless you made it clear, hopefully in writing, that it was subject to negotiations.
Just my opinion about negotiations.
Geoff
I think you have already closed the door on haggling by leaving a deposit at the asking price, unless you made it clear, hopefully in writing, that it was subject to negotiations.
Just my opinion about negotiations.
Geoff
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I do wonder how many “holding fees” the dealer takes....
And then the dealers do not honour them.
I saw an Arto at Hymer UK, Preston, part of the old Brownhills I stress. Gave them a cheque for deposit on Friday subject to inspection next week. Phoned on Monday morning for an appointment -"Sorry Sold"
They won that battle, but I won the war - bought identical privately at £6 less.
I will never go near a dealer unless I absolutely have to, although from reputation European dealers appear to be better than UK. Maybe their market is not as gullible. Is that racist Jim?
Geoff
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And waving cash
Geoff
read all the posts.
The problem has been that there is so much demand at the moment that not putting a holding deposit on a van risked losing it or worse getting into a bidding war if it's one you've decided you really, really want and someone else wants it as well. For me I decided that going from the video that it was probably the right one so even if I had to pay the full asking price I was happy at what they were asking for it, and also the deposit was refundable if I didn't like it when I got to see it. At the moment I'm happy enough, we'll see when I get to collect it if they've done everything they said they would, but from comments from people who have bought from them before they seem to have a good reputation so I'm hoping for a good experience. Sometimes (and it's the same with houses) you have to accept that it's either a sellers or buyers market and at the moment it's a sellers.
Surely worth a try? Nothing to lose except a few minutes. They won’t budge if you’ve nowhere else to buy in your timescale.
Can’t hurt to ask but you’ve got to be either a great actor or truly be prepared to walk. You’ve more chance of getting some extras thrown in than them budging on price seeing as you’ve already agreed the price. Given your particular circumstances, if you’ve got the money and they refuse to budge, put it out of your mind, don’t feel bad and go and enjoy.
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Insist on full service history and a damp check with certificate. Most everything else is sortable.
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Thats the risk you take when haggling. The secret is knowing when to fold. If you've got " must get 2 grand off" fixed in your mind in todays market I dont think it will work
The main point of haggling is the threat of asking away if you do not get what you want. The threat is just not credible at the moment so your ability to haggle is extremely limited unless you are prepared to walk away. They may give you extras at cost price as it costs them little to save face but that’s it.
My neighbour was after a Hymer MLT 570 made an offer of £3000k off of a fully loaded cost of £94k and was turned down. Asking price only....and then you are in a que.
My neighbour was after a Hymer MLT 570 made an offer of £3000k off of a fully loaded cost of £94k and was turned down. Asking price only....and then you are in a que.
I bought mine last July, 2017 plate, 10 minutes in the van, haggled and got £1000 knocked off, said I'd put a deposit down immediately if they'd fit Gaslow FOC which they did 
Cheshirecat57
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Last July was a different century regarding buying/selling to be fair in EVERY industry
Most people ,who haven't tried buying a biggish purchase since Feb would be shocked how far the pendulum has swung in the sellers favour
( good thing about pendulums.....they always swing back)
Most people ,who haven't tried buying a biggish purchase since Feb would be shocked how far the pendulum has swung in the sellers favour
( good thing about pendulums.....they always swing back)
Jim
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You should always negotiate a little harder than is comfortable. Even if you have told him twenty times that paying 50k is absolutley impossible, you can still save the deal. People think they are in danger of losing the deal, by hanging in there for a while, you are not. Don't forget, no matter how hard you dig in, you can always roll back your position.
"Ok I have had a word with my wife and shes's agreed that we can go to 50"
"I spoke to my Mum last night and she is going to loan me some so I can pay the 50"
"Ok I have had a word with my wife and shes's agreed that we can go to 50"
"I spoke to my Mum last night and she is going to loan me some so I can pay the 50"
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I was pleased to get some money off the screen price of our Kingham. It’s a new van, in stock at the dealer.
I’d expected to have to pay list price given demand and supply issues but managed to get £1500 off the screen price.
Then once the point of no more cash off was reached, I started on extras (things we’d want but would cost us more than the dealer would have paid) . I’ve always found this a good area for negotiating as to me (say) £1,000 of extras I’d be buying anyway might only cost the dealer £600 so my perceived outcome is much higher than the downside to the dealer. It’s all about Win Win at the end of the day.
In the end we got an Avtex 19inch TV and bracket, another TV bracket, ramps, an upgrade in weight chucked in too. (3850 I think, but maybe 4100 if that can be done as a paper only exercise. Standard is 3500)
Overall in the current market I was very pleased, no doubt someone else will have been able to achieve more but at the end of the day I was happy and that is what matters. As was the dealer, who has made a profit which is what he needs to do in order to survive.
Its definitely worth haggling even in the current market. They can only say no, and might even say yes!
I’d expected to have to pay list price given demand and supply issues but managed to get £1500 off the screen price.
Then once the point of no more cash off was reached, I started on extras (things we’d want but would cost us more than the dealer would have paid) . I’ve always found this a good area for negotiating as to me (say) £1,000 of extras I’d be buying anyway might only cost the dealer £600 so my perceived outcome is much higher than the downside to the dealer. It’s all about Win Win at the end of the day.
In the end we got an Avtex 19inch TV and bracket, another TV bracket, ramps, an upgrade in weight chucked in too. (3850 I think, but maybe 4100 if that can be done as a paper only exercise. Standard is 3500)
Overall in the current market I was very pleased, no doubt someone else will have been able to achieve more but at the end of the day I was happy and that is what matters. As was the dealer, who has made a profit which is what he needs to do in order to survive.
Its definitely worth haggling even in the current market. They can only say no, and might even say yes!
Everyone knows I don't pay for anything without haggling, but I don't work anywhere near these figures.
In this case if the van is what you want and you are looking at paying 50 grand plus, two grand is neither here or there if you risk losing it.
In this case if the van is what you want and you are looking at paying 50 grand plus, two grand is neither here or there if you risk losing it.
Yes we agree, when we view the van and decide to buy it we will not risk losing it, this model van is hard to find at the moment.
We got gazumped on a Hymer 588 which is another model we would be interested in but they’re also hard to find secondhand.
We are expecting the dealer not to move on his list price, but I will be starting at five grand below it.
Prices are ridiculous at the moment. There's 1-2 year old vans selling for the same price as new. And even ex-hires selling at RRP.
Yeah, no harm in trying
but do the deal there and then if it's what you really want, leaving it a day or two maybe means someone else gets it.
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Cheshirecat57
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Always remember:-
The model you are looking at today....and going to let them know tomorrow..
Could be the one that someone looked at yesterday....and is letting them know today
The model you are looking at today....and going to let them know tomorrow..
Could be the one that someone looked at yesterday....and is letting them know today
I haggled a grand of the price (about 5%) off mine 5 years ago by offering full payment with building society Cheques.
We think things now are a lot different to what they were 5 years ago.
cmcardle75
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With the market as it is, you may need to beg to be allowed buy at the full asking price!
That's up-selling isn't it?
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Haggle on price or extras
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Just a Update
We went to view the motorhome at the weekend and made a purchase, they was no movement on the price.
The dealer said they have a waiting list for this model, the van is rated at 3850kgs so they are going to down rate it to 3500kgs for us, also they are fitting a wifi system in for half price plus free hookup cable, the van will not be ready till July.
We have noticed since we paid the holding fee that prices for Moho have gone up, so we think we have saved a bit of cash.
We found another van the other week same model but on a 2017 plate for the same price, it was sold three days after it was a advertised.
The next think I will be asking is which insurance company to go for.
Thanks for your help.
We went to view the motorhome at the weekend and made a purchase, they was no movement on the price.
The dealer said they have a waiting list for this model, the van is rated at 3850kgs so they are going to down rate it to 3500kgs for us, also they are fitting a wifi system in for half price plus free hookup cable, the van will not be ready till July.
We have noticed since we paid the holding fee that prices for Moho have gone up, so we think we have saved a bit of cash.
We found another van the other week same model but on a 2017 plate for the same price, it was sold three days after it was a advertised.
The next think I will be asking is which insurance company to go for.
Thanks for your help.
Tricuspid
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When I was looking for our van a few weeks ago I was shocked by the variation in price ... there aren't many around and some dealers were asking up to £5,000 above the list price. I also noticed widespread practice of the price on the internet not matching the price on the windscreen, which is a bit cheeky really and not fair to someone who may not be internet-savvy. I phoned round a few dealers, but not any of the ones advertising silly prices.
To be honest (and it goes against my principles) I didn't even try to haggle on the van price, but I added a load of extras which were generously priced and overall I'm more than happy with the deal I got.
To be honest (and it goes against my principles) I didn't even try to haggle on the van price, but I added a load of extras which were generously priced and overall I'm more than happy with the deal I got.
After they take off 350kg make sure you have enough payload for your needs…. It was up-rated for a reason…
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