Grrrrr ruined my Sunday Morning ,,,

If you are thinking of selling and moving it's worth thinking about how the dispute with the neighbour might affect selling the house I'm pretty surely there's a question in the solicitors pack about neighbour disputes. If it's verbal and there's no record it's one thing if it starts getting legal and recorded it's another. It does seem very strange that if he contacted the police they put so much effort in has the dispute got heated in the past?
 
The Wino said:
If you are thinking of selling and moving it's worth thinking about how the dispute with the neighbour might affect selling the house I'm pretty surely there's a question in the solicitors pack about neighbour disputes. If it's verbal and there's no record it's one thing if it starts getting legal and recorded it's another. It does seem very strange that if he contacted the police they put so much effort in has the dispute got heated in the past?
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I think there is a lot of history to this
 
jerryz said:
Well my mates Video has good sound and its very clear how rude the police have been ,, they saw him video the incident and asked him to delete it he refused ,, He is very angry he says its clear harrassment ,,,
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sounds like they were waiting for you .You need to find out if the old bill are relatives/family /mates of the ```` next door.Look on the bright side if it had been me I'd have done the 1st copper ,pepper sprayed the next two ,sledged the neighbours front door then smashed every bone in his body. Might as well get hung for a sheep as a lamb.
Before anyone asks ,I hate them ,especially mouthy offensive scum ones. :mad:
Then if the dvla bloke had not run away I would be asking him where he got his info from as to why he was standing outside on a sunday morning. (y)

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The Wino said:
If you are thinking of selling and moving it's worth thinking about how the dispute with the neighbour might affect selling the house I'm pretty surely there's a question in the solicitors pack about neighbour disputes. If it's verbal and there's no record it's one thing if it starts getting legal and recorded it's another. It does seem very strange that if he contacted the police they put so much effort in has the dispute got heated in the past?
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I think Wino is correct. Think of the bigger picture. You could win the 'battle' over this matter but lose a lot in a potential sale price, if the dispute with the neighbour needs to be disclosed to a future bidder. Also worth considering that, just because a dispute with a neighbour gets resolved doesn't mean there won't be another one and so bidders may be dissuaded long after resolution of this one.
Chris said:
I think there is a lot of history to this
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I tend to agree because we don't know all the facts.
However, that shouldn't detract from dealing with potential wrong-doing by the Police/DVLA and, ultimately, to resolve the dispute between neighbours.

I wonder which (if any), of the people involved, know each other outside of their work role.

OK, so if I were to complain to a PC about a SORN car being on the tarmac briefly I wouldn't have done anything wrong.
If the PC organised the action mentioned in the OP, he may have stepped over the mark if, for example, processes/rules weren't adhered to. A complaint will clarify the matter.

If it's an on-going dispute and the PC is fed up with it, he may have justification for what seems to have been done, if only to record another bit of the dispute between neighbours.

Why did I mention 'over stepping'?
Because the police and its people cannot act like any type of vigilante group or mafia.

Not knowing the matter fully, the OP should consider whether to make a formal complaint about the matter both to the local authority (planning and garden flooding) and to the Police about what is considered wrong.

If Planning permission is required but not sought or not obtained, the department responsible has duties to fulfil.
If Police may have been over-zealous, they must investigate a complaint.

Art 1 of the Human Rights Act; have a read with regard to anyone affecting (adversely) another's peaceful enjoyment of their property. Speak to a solicitor to be signposted to an appropriate specialist solicitor, specialist in property disputes or HRA, for example.

IMV, this and some replies; have nothing to do with the police having better things to do. If a complaint is made, they have a duty to deal with it. I do wonder though, how the Triage process (prioritising one matter over another) led to this being at the top. Maybe that is an indicator of it being a long-standing issue and it needs to be dealt with once and for all.

hth
 
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I think there is a lot of history to this
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Nope when we moved in he was all over us when the removals van was a foot on his side of the shared driveway , ,, he walks all over my half but anyone who goes on his side gets moaned at ,,, then there is his illegal improvements and drainage ..

But i think it may be another issue and not just the neighbour , he is a problem but he is on a sticky wicket if he is involved . , I have called one of the lawyers with the group i am a volunteer member off that is investigating police abuses ,, He has told me that he will get some of the team to look into it ,, I sent him the video and recordings , he thinks its all a bit convenient and looks like police harassment , he also says the neighbours actions need to be checked carefully . He also says we will speak with previous owner about any issues with neighbour and he will get someone to speak with my mate at number 14 too...he took the video and has had issues with the twat at number 13 .

I would rent out the house but its not an easy thing ,... ongoing health treatments , cant be away all the time , i would have to store all my stuff , I would need an address for my Banks, Pensions, legals, doctors etc,, plus how do you ensure a decent paying tenant who wont destroy your property or not pay the rent ????

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gus-lopez said:
sounds like they were waiting for you .You need to find out if the old bill are relatives/family /mates of the ```` next door.Look on the bright side if it had been me I'd have done the 1st copper ,pepper sprayed the next two ,sledged the neighbours front door then smashed every bone in his body. Might as well get hung for a sheep as a lamb.
Before anyone asks ,I hate them ,especially mouthy offensive scum ones. :mad:
Then if the dvla bloke had not run away I would be asking him where he got his info from as to why he was standing outside on a sunday morning. (y)
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Over reaction maybe?
 
So your van is being reported for being on a road and as that happened, you politely asked why and the policeman was an arsehole.

I’ve been on the other side of that conversation lots of times.

Bloody coppers

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autoswan said:
If his half of the drive has risen , can you put a kerb or short wall / thin concrete barrier to divert all the muck from his side down his drive to the pavement / gutter ?
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possibly but then I would be unable to get van into drive way as its narrow and the water runoff from his back garden would still come over my side and that part has a concrete wall ,,but what he has done is in breach of all drainage and building regulations anyway ...My Builder has looked at the situation and says either I raise my driveway to match his or get him to install proper drainage ... but him blocking up all his drains makes it a moot matter,,, I dont want to spend more money on this place ,,
 
jerryz said:
possibly but then I would be unable to get van into drive way as its narrow and the water runoff from his back garden would still come over my side and that part has a concrete wall ,,but what he has done is in breach of all drainage and building regulations anyway ...My Builder has looked at the situation and says either I raise my driveway to match his or get him to install proper drainage ... but him blocking up all his drains makes it a moot matter,,, I dont want to spend more money on this place ,,
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Definitely a complaint to the Local Authority for lack of action by them. If you go through the complaints procedure and its still buck passing, take it to the Local Government Ombudsman. https://www.lgo.org.uk/.

While I share the concerns about dispute when selling, you would also have to say about the flooding issue so I think you have little option but to pursue the LA for lack of action.
 
Totally s**t falling out with your neighbours...so uncomfortable to live that way... hope you get sorted...
Your neighbour definitely has friends... unfortunately..that's how it goes..🧑‍✈️

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Your untaxed, sorn, vehicle was found on the public road, even though only part on it, and a short time? Hard luck but case proven.

You won't get a straight answer from police as to their presence and especially any source of the reason why they were there. Yes perhaps they should have had better priorities, but if you have been doing this regularly....

You have already complained to police and council on your neighbour. And it's already documented here (even if obfuscated by user names). You'd have to declare dispute if asked during a property sale so that will affect value and ease of sale. Nothing to lose now if you were to take further.

You may want quiet life, but time to stand up. If he is awkward denying you access on shared drive, yet he uses yours use his regardless. If he threatens that's where the cameras come in to evidence behaviour to police for harassment. Just don't get drawn into being the aggressor and documented all history.

Council may see the planning for drive surface as deminimis and not worth enforcement. After a couple of years or so it can be too late if it was all in public view. Most planning for drives is access view to road and front garden surface for drainage.

Legally neighbour can't discharge water and stuff to your land, but if he won't change it then civil matter for your enforcement (as is use of shared drive). Only winner in such actions is the lawyers, and most judges, courts, lawyers, surveyors (who would be providing expert evidence) will all want to run away.

You are between a rock and hard place.
 
jerryz said:
I have had issues with the neighbour for months His newly raised driveway is illegal as it drains directly onto my side and he closed his drains, he also directed his refurbished garden drains onto my side so its always getting flooded and covered in mud ,, if i as much as step on his side he gets angry so I cant push my bikes out ,, The deeds say driveway is share d but he does not care , he has erected 4 cameras to monitor the drive way, my garage and also the gardens .
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Report it to the Department of the Environment.
 
So this coppa and guy from Dvla were just waiting, hoping that you would move your van onto the road ( just the 2 wheels though) on a Sunday morning?.

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The odd thing is that DVLA generally only attend the combined pull over checks where VOSA/DVSA and other enforcement agencies are present. Are you sure the other guy was with DVLA? Did they show you any ID?
 
My neighbour reported me for driving off my drive and onto his neighbour’s drive 50 meters .

By I have a letter from the council to say it’s private and unadopted (even though it’s not. But I could show it to the cop.

But! There was a skip trick with no tax and a different colour to the V5.

Sat two months Bd nothing done
 
jerryz said:
So going out for a Motorcycle ride 8:30am , but as i cant use my nasty neighbours drive way which he shares with me i have to move my Motorhome 4m partially out of the driveway for 2 minutes over the pavement with just back wheels in the road only to get my bike out of garage ,, As I did this a Guy from DVLA and a policeman walk over and slap a UNTAXED sticker on my van ,which is SORN until 1st May ,, I push the bike out and put van back in drive way ,, I politely ask them what they are doing and the cop is very rude and aggressive and suggests he may arrest me as I am a arsehole ??? ,, the DVLA bloke is sheepish and apologetic and the neighbour has come out sniggering and laughing .... I am very very pissed off now ,, ruined my day ... Not going for a ride now too unsettled ,,, One of my other neighbours a fellow biker has a video with sound as he says its ridiculous ....and he too has had problems with the twit at number 13....he also told methat 2 more cops were waiting out of sight , Its almost as if they had set it up ?? The police officer was really offensive im hoping my mates video has good sound quality .
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So let's see the video then. And perhaps a photo of the untaxed sticker.
 
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DVLA checks are very common on Sundays, often combined with checks with other agencies. People who have their vehicle in storage, sorned etc take them out for a quick drive and don’t tax/insure them because they’re only going out for a quick drive to keep things moving before it goes back into garage etc etc. If it’s been a day marked for that operation then any call about an untaxed vehicle may have been passed to whoever was involved hence quick response?

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gus-lopez said:
sounds like they were waiting for you .You need to find out if the old bill are relatives/family /mates of the ```` next door.Look on the bright side if it had been me I'd have done the 1st copper ,pepper sprayed the next two ,sledged the neighbours front door then smashed every bone in his body. Might as well get hung for a sheep as a lamb.
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Run out of nukes already? 🤣
 
jerryz said:
I would rent out the house but its not an easy thing ,... ongoing health treatments , cant be away all the time , i would have to store all my stuff , I would need an address for my Banks, Pensions, legals, doctors etc,, plus how do you ensure a decent paying tenant who wont destroy your property or not pay the rent ????

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You can rent out the house.
Yes, you would have to put a lot, or all, of your stuff in storage (Depends if renting it as furnished or unfurnished.)
You address can remain, no need to change anything, you just arrange to get post picked up or sent on.

A decent local Estate Agent will find a decent tenant.
The Agent can, for a fee, provide all the services required, including a weekly cleaner.
Tenants have to be checked these days, it's like applying for a job or a mortgage.
The Agent will need passport, utility bill, references from employer and previous landlords, right of abode in the UK, proof of salary, combined salary of all tenants must be 3.5 times the total rent. etc. They then cross check with the likes of Experian to ensure to debts etc.

The Agent we use to rent out properties declines over 30% of the people that come to him looking for some where to rent.
(He also declines over 10% of the properties he is asked to rent)
 
From your description of the event, the police and DVLA were clearly waiting for you to move the SORNed vehicle, and knew you were likely to be doing so at that time.

This suggests that they had either engaged in "Directed Surveillance" and / or the neighbour had been acting as a "Covert Human Intelligence Source" or "CHIS", (perhaps supplying his CCTV footage of your driveway to the police). In either case they would have to have obtained authorisation from a Senior Officer, with relevant paperwork signed off under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA). This Authorisation would have to declare that their actions were 'necessary and proportionate" in relation to the crime they were trying to detect or prevent. I'd wager that no such RIPA authorisation has been obtained, and if so it would be hard to conclude that it was proportionate in your circumstances.
 

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