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[maz]

I am yet to see anything that says they can’t. Often the only way regulations get tested is when a judge decides in court exactly what they mean. Then we will all be stuffed if the vet has to see the animal in 10 days.

Hardly, as that is what everyone else seems to be doing. I agree that it's a pain and that is why I regard EU Pet Passports as the best solution. I love a workaround as much as the next Funster but I am not convinced that post dating of AHCs is the way to go.

AHCs are not a new invention of the EU since Br*x*t. They have been in existence for many years as the means of access to the EU for pets from third countries. A question that I asked earlier and still don't know the answer to is: What is the actual purpose of the 10 day period? Are there any vets out there that know the reason behind it?

 

[rb62]

Hardly, as that is what everyone else seems to be doing. I agree that it's a pain and that is why I regard EU Pet Passports as the best solution. I love a workaround as much as the next Funster but I am not convinced that post dating of AHCs is the way to go.

AHCs are not a new invention of the EU since Br*x*t. They have been in existence for many years as the means of access to the EU for pets from third countries. A question that I asked earlier and still don't know the answer to is: What is the actual purpose of the 10 day period? Are there any vets out there that know the reason behind it?

From DEFRA guidance notes for AHC

http://apha.defra.gov.uk/external-operations-admin/library/documents/exports/8233NFG.pdf

 

[Minxy]

I can’t understand why people are complaining that someone has got a post dated AHC. What has this got to do with anyone else? Why can’t people just be happy that they have got the AHC they’ve got? It’s like when people were getting EU passports for their pets, there was always someone saying it’s illegal!

Would you also be happy with those who get post-dated worming for returning to the UK? I know people do it as some have mentioned it on this forum, in many ways this is even more important as the owners or vet should be giving the worming treatment at the time the info is entered into the AHC/PP to ensure it is actually done and help to prevent some of the nasties entering the UK.

 

[Aly1]

Would you also be happy with those who get post-dated worming for returning to the UK? I know people do it as some have mentioned it on this forum, in many ways this is even more important as the owners or vet should be giving the worming treatment at the time the info is entered into the AHC/PP to ensure it is actually done and help to prevent some of the nasties entering the UK.

No that is a completely different scenario. Pets are wormed within a specific time window for a reason.
If I look at my pets AHC from last May or September there are absolutely no changes so the exact same AHC could have been used each time and also this coming holiday just like the old pet passports, so post dating an AHC is completely different to worming.

 

[Minxy]

No that is a completely different scenario. Pets are wormed within a specific time window for a reason.

How do you know there isn't a reason for the AHC to be done as specified? From the DATE of SIGNING it has 10 day's validity, no ifs, no buts, that's what the DEFRA info states.

If I look at my pets AHC from last May or September there are absolutely no changes so the exact same AHC could have been used each time and also this coming holiday just like the old pet passports

I agree about that but the rules are clear that they only last for 4 months max and can only be used for one exit and one entry, it doesn't mean I agree with it but that's the case.

, so post dating an AHC is completely different to worming.

Not when the rules says otherwise, no matter how much you want to believe it's okay the rules clearly stipulate it's not meant to be done that way.

It's up to the OP and others to decide if they want to 'bend' the rules and hope they don't get caught out, but what surprises me most is that an official vet is willing to do this which is contrary to the rules and makes me wonder what else they 'ignore'.

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[maz]

Kayak Kid

Here is actual clarification on the postdating of AHCs issue:

Source: Certification Procedures

Postdating of AHCs is a no-no.

 

[Googlebot]

Kayak Kid

Here is actual clarification on the postdating of AHCs issue:

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Source: Certification Procedures

Postdating of AHCs is a no-no.

That applies to Export Health Certificates. What about Animal Health Certificates?

I know I am being nit picking here but nowhere does that mention AHC’s, only EHC’s.

John

 

[maz]

That applies to Export Health Certificates. What about Animal Health Certificates?

I know I am being nit picking here but nowhere does that mention AHC’s, only EHC’s.

John

The RCVS Principles of Certification apply to all certificates.

 

[Googlebot]

The RCVS Principles of Certification apply to all certificates.

Where does it say that?

I couldn’t find it?

I don’t disagree, I am however confused about who owns the guidance surrounding AHC’s. If it’s a document that comes under EU law and guidance, won’t that mean the RCVS guidance is not applicable?

 

[maz]

Where does it say that?

I couldn’t find it?

I don’t disagree, I am however confused about who owns the guidance surrounding AHC’s. If it’s a document that comes under EU law and guidance, won’t that mean the RCVS guidance is not applicable?

If you fancy a little light reading:

https://www.rcvs.org.uk/setting-standards/advice-and-guidance/code-of-professional-conduct-for-veterinary-surgeons/pdf/

How about you take a turn at finding actual supporting evidence for your belief? I consider that I have provided more than enough evidence to support my side of the argument.

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[Grianan]

I have just arranged for an AHC to cover our 2 dogs for travel next month to the EU.
For those residing in Scotland, I can highly recommend the services of Pawsomepettravel.com

The cost was £99 for our first dog and £30 for the second dog. However future certificates will cost £59 for the first dog and £11 for the second dog.

What is also great is that the vet will come to your home to check the microchip and pass over the AHC at an agreed time having sent the vacination records to him beforehand. There is no extra cost for this.

There is a fuel charge dependent on where you live ranging from zero for the Greater Glasgow area graduation up to £25 for as far north as Perth and equivalent distance in other directions from Glasgow.

They are a delight to deal with. What’s not to like - taking the hassle and sting out of these post Brexit arrangements!

We are using Paul in 2-3 weeks too. Then booked in for a Pet Passport a couple of weeks after that. We may get a further AHC the first time we use the PP as insurance.

I can’t see the AHC requirement disappearing any time soon - there are far bigger problems to iron out first - but it’s a costly and inconvenient pain in the rear end.

 

[Minxy]

We are using Paul in 2-3 weeks too. Then booked in for a Pet Passport a couple of weeks after that. We may get a further AHC the first time we use the PP as insurance.

I can’t see the AHC requirement disappearing any time soon - there are far bigger problems to iron out first - but it’s a costly and inconvenient pain in the rear end.

Yes expensive if you get another as you won't need it. We used Tazzy's and Minky's PPs for our last holiday with no issues at all.

 

[Googlebot]

If you fancy a little light reading:

https://www.rcvs.org.uk/setting-standards/advice-and-guidance/code-of-professional-conduct-for-veterinary-surgeons/pdf/

How about you take a turn at finding actual supporting evidence for your belief? I consider that I have provided more than enough evidence to support my side of the argument.

Fair comment.

I am not trying to be awkward or obtuse, a lot of the guidance people are quoting including yourself is irrelevant as it’s the wrong guidance. It is EU law that is covered by the AHC and not domestic EHC’s which are covered by the guidance released by the RCVS.

Relevant legislation and guidance document is here.

http://apha.defra.gov.uk/external-operations-admin/library/documents/exports/8233NFG.pdf

I am happy to admit I was utterly wrong as well, it’s pretty clear that the date of signing is considered day 1 of the 10 days the AHC is valid.

But…..

There is a get out clause here with the section about any doubts about validity with dates need running by the TPE for authority.

However I doubt the vet has that and the owner won’t either, so it would seem post dated AHC’s are not compliant.

Just tucking into my big slice of humble pie.

 

[Aireworth]

Fair comment.

I am not trying to be awkward or obtuse, a lot of the guidance people are quoting including yourself is irrelevant as it’s the wrong guidance. It is EU law that is covered by the AHC and not domestic EHC’s which are covered by the guidance released by the RCVS.

Relevant legislation and guidance document is here.

http://apha.defra.gov.uk/external-operations-admin/library/documents/exports/8233NFG.pdf

I am happy to admit I was utterly wrong as well, it’s pretty clear that the date of signing is considered day 1 of the 10 days the AHC is valid.

But…..

There is a get out clause here with the section about any doubts about validity with dates need running by the TPE for authority.

However I doubt the vet has that and the owner won’t either, so it would seem post dated AHC’s are not compliant.

Just tucking into my big slice of humble pie.

Sorry, but you're wrong. The RCVS guidance on certification covers all certification done by vets in the UK. AHCs, EHC and much more. When signing an AHC the vet has to comply with both the APHA implementation of the legislation and the RCVS code on certification.
Signing certificates which are non RCVS code compliant is one of the easiest and quickest way to find yourself in front of the RCVS Disciplinary Committee.

 

[Googlebot]

Sorry, but you're wrong. The RCVS guidance on certification covers all certification done by vets in the UK. AHCs, EHC and much more. When signing an AHC the vet has to comply with both the APHA implementation of the legislation and the RCVS code on certification.
Signing certificates which are non RCVS code compliant is one of the easiest and quickest way to find yourself in front of the RCVS Disciplinary Committee.

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

I am a bit full, but a second slice of humble pie is being prepared.

Don’t post date your documents Official Veterinarians!

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[maz]

Don’t post date your documents Official Veterinarians!

Indeed! I hope that Pawsome Pet Travel have read this thread. I imagine that it would be the vet and not the end user of the AHC who would get into trouble over the postdating if caught, but I really don't know.

 

[Ratcatcher]

We had a vet post date worming tablet by a whole year! Accidentally of course, didnt realise until trying to board at Bilbao!

 

[Aireworth]

I once predated a whole pile of certs by 1 year. Made it January 2002 instead of 2003 (or some such) A few wagons had to turn round....

 

[Offagain]

We had a vet post date worming tablet by a whole year! Accidentally of course, didnt realise until trying to board at Bilbao!

Did common sense prevail or did you have to get it done again and postpone your sailing?
We’re currently on a ferry to Ireland.
Had to have the hound wormed 24-120 hours prior to leaving the UK, same as going back to the UK from France.
Apparently there’s no requirement to worm her again before our return which I need to check as it seems odd.

 

[Minxy]

Did common sense prevail or did you have to get it done again and postpone your sailing?
We’re currently on a ferry to Ireland.
Had to have the hound wormed 24-120 hours prior to leaving the UK, same as going back to the UK from France.
Apparently there’s no requirement to worm her again before our return which I need to check as it seems odd.

AFAIK if you're going back to the UK from the Republic of Ireland you will need worming to be done, if Northern Ireland then you won't.

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[Ratcatcher]

We were turned away, but given directions to a vet in the centre of Bilbao, had an interesting journey into the centre, found them closed, but my wife banged on the door until someone came to the door, they then agreed to help, changed the date, signed it, and charged us full charge with no new tablet.
We were last on the ferry.