Gas Alarm Detector

[Mou and Iryna]

A couple of these on, and you can sleep happily at night. Nobody will gas you now.
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Hi Guys.
I have put out there a genuine request regarding gas alarm, based on what I was told by a friend of mine. Just wanting some polite feedback.
I have since bombarded by a barrage a sarcastic comment, which are totally not needed nor appreciated. People are more than welcome to give their thoughts on the subject without insult and sarcasm. Thank you

 

[Lenny HB]

Hi Phil. They woke up with a very bad head and when the Gendarms turned up, they confirmed that it was a classic. They put a pipe through air vents or the windows (which was a crack open) and once the victims were fast asleep, they break in through the front cabin. The Gendarms did say that it was not recommended to stop overnight in the service stations, as they are very unsafe. I was not with them, they just related the story to me, after their holiday. That is why I am looking into this. Thanks for the advice on Waeco. I will look into it. Cheers. M

If you believe that you will believe anything, it's a load of rubbish it's just not possible. If it was happening there would be hundreds of people dead because of it, any anesthetic gas it's a fine balance between sleep & death.

 

[Lenny HB]

Hi Guys.
I have put out there a genuine request regarding gas alarm, based on what I was told by a friend of mine. Just wanting some polite feedback.
I have since bombarded by a barrage a sarcastic comment, which are totally not needed nor appreciated. People are more than welcome to give their thoughts on the subject without insult and sarcasm. Thank you

I don't think there are any sarcastic comments, gassing in Motorhomes is a long standing joke, it just ain't possible.
People fall asleep after a long day's driving easy for anyone to break in steal they wallats without them waking.

 

[peterc10]

Hi Guys.
I have put out there a genuine request regarding gas alarm, based on what I was told by a friend of mine. Just wanting some polite feedback.
I have since bombarded by a barrage a sarcastic comment, which are totally not needed nor appreciated. People are more than welcome to give their thoughts on the subject without insult and sarcasm. Thank you

Sorry for the sarcasm, but this is an old chestnut that pops up regularly.

But I am afarid that your friend has fallen for an urban myth. It is surprising how deep a sleep people can be in especially after an exhausting full days drive and/or some alcohol in the evening. There are many stories of people waking up after the thieves get into the van, but in those cases there is no suggestion or smell of any gas.

The specialists in gassing people, the Royal College of Anaesthetists, have made it clear that there is no way that this can happen without fatalities. They train for many years to make sure that does not happen. Just squirting in some LPG, or such other available gas, would leave a tell tale smell, and would be fatal to many people. And true anaesthetic gases are very expensive to buy from specialist suppliers.

If they truly were gassed they should have been sent to hospital for tests to check what gas was used and to make sure there are no long term affects, but that never seems to have happened. At the very least the police should have made sure that the person was now fit to drive, but that never happens either. The suspicion is that the local police use it as an excuse in areas with high rates of theft, such as autoroute/motorway service areas, to fob off the tourists, rather then explaining why they have not clamped down in those areas.

The other alternative suggestion, which I I am not suggesting applies to your friends, is that people make these attacks up in order to make a fictitious insurance claim. They often seem to involve theft of a lot of cash and high end electronic gear, hence the comments about cash and ipads missing.

There was even a story that Jensen Button was subjected to a gas attack in a rented villa in the South of France a few years back. Totally ludicrous given the amount of gas that would been needed to fill a villa to the levels needed.

My advice would be to spend your money on a decent motorhome alarm and tracker, like those from eddievanbitz, rather than on something that tests gases (which ones I wonder?) that are not present.

 

[Mou and Iryna]

Sorry for the sarcasm, but this is an old chestnut that pops up regularly.

But I am afarid that your friend has fallen for an urban myth. It is surprising how deep a sleep people can be in especially after an exhausting full days drive and/or some alcohol in the evening. There are many stories of people waking up after the thieves get into the van, but in those cases there is no suggestion or smell of any gas.

The specialists in gassing people, the Royal College of Anaesthetists, have made it clear that there is no way that this can happen without fatalities. They train for many years to make sure that does not happen. Just squirting in some LPG, or such other available gas, would leave a tell tale smell, and would be fatal to many people. And true anaesthetic gases are very expensive to buy from specialist suppliers.

If they truly were gassed they should have been sent to hospital for tests to check what gas was used and to make sure there are no long term affects, but that never seems to have happened. At the very least the police should have made sure that the person was now fit to drive, but that never happens either. The suspicion is that the local police use it as an excuse in areas with high rates of theft, such as autoroute/motorway service areas, to fob off the tourists, rather then explaining why they have not clamped down in those areas.

The other alternative suggestion, which I I am not suggesting applies to your friends, is that people make these attacks up in order to make a fictitious insurance claim. They often seem to involve theft of a lot of cash and high end electronic gear, hence the comments about cash and ipads missing.

There was even a story that Jensen Button was subjected to a gas attack in a rented villa in the South of France a few years back. Totally ludicrous given the amount of gas that would been needed to fill a villa to the levels needed.

My advice would be to spend your money on a decent motorhome alarm and tracker, like those from eddievanbitz, rather than on something that tests gases (which ones I wonder?) that are not present.

Thank you for taking the time to write this. I will take it on board your recommendation. Much appreciate it.

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[eddie]

Hi Phil. They woke up with a very bad head and when the Gendarms turned up, they confirmed that it was a classic. They put a pipe through air vents or the windows (which was a crack open) and once the victims were fast asleep, they break in through the front cabin. The Gendarms did say that it was not recommended to stop overnight in the service stations, as they are very unsafe. I was not with them, they just related the story to me, after their holiday. That is why I am looking into this. Thanks for the advice on Waeco. I will look into it. Cheers. M

I'm sorry but if the Police suspected that someone had been drugged and rendered unconscious they would not have allowed your friends to continue their journey, they would be taken to hospital for toxicology reports. Imagine after being illegally submitted to "knock out" gas the Police allowed someone to drive off down the motorway, potentially to still be drowsy and fall asleep on the motorway, potentially causing a fatal pile up!

The slightest suspicion of the driver being under the influence of drugs or alcohol will get the Police hot and bothered

The only time it has "factually" been used was by the Russian special services when they used knock out gas against the Chechens who had take hundreds of people hostage. Hundreds were hospitalised and from memory about 200 people died

The Royal College of Anaesthetists, say that they are not aware of a gas that could be used, or how it could randomly administered to be effective.

No one had ever died, yet people regularly die when given a general anaesthetic, by a highly trained and qualified anaesthetist, under one on one conditions in a modern hospital. Bear in mind that the Anaesthetist will calculate the amount of gas needed given your body mass, what may be enough for 18 stone of me, would probably be fatal for my wife, yet we hear stories of the whole family being gassed, little kids and even the dog! yet no one has ever been taken to hospital let alone died!

Add to the "logical" arguments, you have to ask the questions, such as why didn't the motorhome alarm go off when they broke in? Why didn't the thieves fall asleep once they entered the motorhome? If the windows and roof vents were open, and the van will have floor vents why didn't the gas dissipate? If the Police recommend that no one uses the specially built and maintained motorway stop overs, why do the Authorities allow tens of thousands of people to use them nightly across Europe?

But having a gas alarm in case of a LPG leak is a good and sensible thing to have, as there is a real chance of a LPG leak unlike being gassed

 

[simsy56]

I have friends who live in Estepona, they said their friends were 'gassed' in their villa. I asked how it was done, and was told that they sprayed 'gas' into the a/c unit on the outside of their villa, and it pumped it into their home.

If you study the a/c units, outside of a building, you would know that it is impossible to introduce gas into an area this way. The unit is nothing more than a matrix for dissipating the heat from the system. Yet my friends were adamant it happened, because they were told so.

If it was to be true, why wouldn't these gangs target a bank with more money than a motorhome.

Craig

 

[Mou and Iryna]

I have friends who live in Estepona, they said their friends were 'gassed' in their villa. I asked how it was done, and was told that they sprayed 'gas' into the a/c unit on the outside of their villa, and it pumped it into their home.

If you study the a/c units, outside of a building, you would know that it is impossible to introduce gas into an area this way. The unit is nothing more than a matrix for dissipating the heat from the system. Yet my friends were adamant it happened, because they were told so.

If it was to be true, why wouldn't these gangs target a bank with more money than a motorhome.

Craig

Craig. I really do not know. I only repeated what my friends have said. I have no way of verifying this. Based on their story I put a message here to get people opinion's on the subject and if it is true, and if out there, exists a gas alarm, then I would buy one. There is already one in my van, from Burstner (original) but it does not work, so thought of replacing it. Since I have put this feed here, I got all kind of rude and sarcastic comments. Not needed really !

 

[Mou and Iryna]

I'm sorry but if the Police suspected that someone had been drugged and rendered unconscious they would not have allowed your friends to continue their journey, they would be taken to hospital for toxicology reports. Imagine after being illegally submitted to "knock out" gas the Police allowed someone to drive off down the motorway, potentially to still be drowsy and fall asleep on the motorway, potentially causing a fatal pile up!

The slightest suspicion of the driver being under the influence of drugs or alcohol will get the Police hot and bothered

The only time it has "factually" been used was by the Russian special services when they used knock out gas against the Chechens who had take hundreds of people hostage. Hundreds were hospitalised and from memory about 200 people died

The Royal College of Anaesthetists, say that they are not aware of a gas that could be used, or how it could randomly administered to be effective.

No one had ever died, yet people regularly die when given a general anaesthetic, by a highly trained and qualified anaesthetist, under one on one conditions in a modern hospital. Bear in mind that the Anaesthetist will calculate the amount of gas needed given your body mass, what may be enough for 18 stone of me, would probably be fatal for my wife, yet we hear stories of the whole family being gassed, little kids and even the dog! yet no one has ever been taken to hospital let alone died!

Add to the "logical" arguments, you have to ask the questions, such as why didn't the motorhome alarm go off when they broke in? Why didn't the thieves fall asleep once they entered the motorhome? If the windows and roof vents were open, and the van will have floor vents why didn't the gas dissipate? If the Police recommend that no one uses the specially built and maintained motorway stop overs, why do the Authorities allow tens of thousands of people to use them nightly across Europe?

But having a gas alarm in case of a LPG leak is a good and sensible thing to have, as there is a real chance of a LPG leak unlike being gassed

They did not have an alarm. I was only asking the question about gas alarm/detector. My MH came with one, original from Burstner but it does not work, so thought of replacing it. Hence the question !!!!!

 

[Lenny HB]

Since I have put this feed here, I got all kind of rude and sarcastic comments. Not needed really !

I've not noticed any, you must be very easily offended, most of the answers have told you why it can't happen or made a bit of a joke out of it.
If you use the forum search facility you will see this subject has been done to death.

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[2 Jabs]

I believe the type of gas alarm you need is a carbon monoxide detector.

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[fat haggis]

I have one of these in my van

Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Notification​

Kidde 10SCO Combination Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm with Voice Notification Amazon product ASIN B00M1Q70K4

 

[peterc10]

They did not have an alarm. I was only asking the question about gas alarm/detector. My MH came with one, original from Burstner but it does not work, so thought of replacing it. Hence the question !!!!!

Aaaaaaah now I understand. The gas detector in your Burstner will almost certainly be for carbon monoxide (CO). That can be produced from your gas hob or heater if they are not properly set up or other open flame devices.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with alleged "gassing" for robbery. Instead it can kill you and does so lots of people every year. A year or two ago a family of 4 camping in a large tent were killed when they brought their disposable BBQ inside the tent before they went to bed. It is therefore essential you get a new CO alarm fitted. They can be bought from Amazon (wouldn't trust the ones from ebay!). Test it regularly and change it by it's use by date. The one I have got is from Fire Angel and has sealed batteries that are designed to run out within its use by date. BTW they are also essential in your house if you have any gas appliances or open fires.

 

[fullfat]

Looks like this one will detect LPG

Amazon product ASIN B07DQGF98Y
As for being gassed, nobody seems to know exactly what gas the criminals use so could be a bit more tricky to select a detector

Could be unobtanium gas !!

 

[CutThroatJake]

You could always get a Strikeback alarm fitted by Vanbitz and include the ‘Gas Detector’ option.

Here is the information Eddie produced in his promotional material...


GAS DETECTOR

“We are constantly being asked about the threat of people being ‘gassed’ in their motorcaravans whilst they sleep. We have tried to establish what exactly occurs in these attacks and have come to the following conclusions.

The frequency of the attacks is less prolific than the general public seem to believe, and the length of the attack is nowhere near as long as most people think. We have heard the same stories repeated over and over again and this leads to the assumption that the attacks happen all the time.

This also leaves people with huge misconceptions regarding the type of attack. If the gas used has a sufficient narcotic effect to render the occupants unconscious or in an extremely deep sleep, one would have to question how the thieves safely enter the vehicle and rob the occupants without falling asleep themselves. Reports suggest that narcotic gasses are used which appear to have a cumulative effect in that it takes some time to reach the point rendering the victim inoperative. Therefore, if you were asleep after breathing the gas, you would remain asleep through things that would normally wake you up.

There is sufficient evidence for some people to believe that such attacks do exist and do threaten their health and safety, so a gas detector can offer peace of mind.

However, we do believe that you are far more likely to have a gas leak in your motorhome than come across a ‘gassing’ thief. How many gas appliances and connections are in your motorhome? We think a gas detector is a must. In reality, a potential gas explosion or fire is far more hazardous that some idiot trying to squirt gas into your van (most people claiming to be gassed either don’t have a decent alarm, or forgot to put it on before going to sleep). So, have the gas detector fitted for peace of mind and to protect you against a problem that does cause danger and risk of death (it is Federal Law in the USA that a gas detector HAS to be fitted in a RV!), and if it gives you additional protection against a narcotic gas attack, then all the better.

The unit detects the presence of heavier than air gasses such as narcotic or LPG before the build up is sufficient to cause the occupants harm. The gas will be detected by the Van Bitz Gas Alarm which will emit a piercing alert and the will not re-set until the van is safe and the re-set button is pushed preventingthe owner being at risk from being drugged and so sleepy so as to fall back into a stupor consequently allowing the thieves to enter the motorhome. The noise would also stop the owners walking into the van and blowing themselves up by activating a switch or lighting the hob. To re-set the gas alarm, the doors and the windows would have to be opened to flush out dangerous gasses. In turn this would have the added benefit of allowing your body to purge itself of any lingering gasses and sleepiness.

There is a small, discreet, dash mounted override switch installed to turn off the gas detection system when in storage, and the unit is wired into Strikeback. When the detector senses a qualifying gas present, the unit will also trigger the main system (when armed) to further deter a potential thief in the event of a narcotic attack, or anyone in the vicinity in the case of a conventional gas leak. The unit does work independently of Strikeback when Strikeback is not armed.
The Van Bitz Gas Alarm costs £199.00 when installed in conjunction with Strikeback alarms”

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[Richard n Ann]

Could be unobtanium gas !!

No wize cracks pleaaaase... This is a serious thread

 

[simsy56]

Craig. I really do not know. I only repeated what my friends have said. I have no way of verifying this. Based on their story I put a message here to get people opinion's on the subject and if it is true, and if out there, exists a gas alarm, then I would buy one. There is already one in my van, from Burstner (original) but it does not work, so thought of replacing it. Since I have put this feed here, I got all kind of rude and sarcastic comments. Not needed really !

I am not being rude, and I am not wishing to appear sarcastic. I am just stating things that I have come across relating to this 'gassing' malarky.

I have a friend here on the Isle of Man who will not venture over to europe, because, and I quote, 'There are too many motorhomers being 'gassed'.
Despite no proven evidence of 'gassings' he will not go, because of 'what he's heard'. That is the power of 'urban myths'.

If you believe your friends claims of being 'gassed' is true, that's up to you.

Until there is solid, scientific proof, I will not believe a single word about 'gassing' stories.

Craig