Fully booked.

[busby]

Judging by this thread... its not what the majority of members want.

Maybe... but perhaps the cross channellers haven't been booking UK sites as its not their general MO.

True,,i only ever book ferries,,,,BUSBY,,

 

[138go]

I email them on a regular basis and get the same stock answers. It’s time for them to get with what most of their members are asking for and take a deposit.

How do you arrive at the conclusion that it's most members? Asking for a friend.

 

[Eggs]

If you’re able to give me the data for those that don’t cancel, I might be in with a shout of giving you the data for those that do.

Just because you haven’t encountered those that block book and cancel at short notice doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Ian

There's the rub, most people who do block book and only go if it suits them ain't going to broadcast it on a MH forum.

 

[138go]

I honestly think that the C&MHC wouldn't be so popular, if peeps weren't happy with the way it's run. We've often stayed on their club sites, and they are usually either full or almost full. You get chatting to others staying there and I've never heard anyone bring up the matter of paying a deposit. In my experience, the users seem happy with the system.

 

[Gellyneck]

If you’re able to give me the data for those that don’t cancel, I might be in with a shout of giving you the data for those that do.

Just because you haven’t encountered those that block book and cancel at short notice doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Ian

Don't think I said it never happened. Had a look back through my input and don't see me saying that but will stand corrected if required.
What I did ask was if those who make the comment\s have any stats to support this and until these were available the "argument" is speculative.

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[bigtwin]

Don't think I said it never happened. Had a look back through my input and don't see me saying that but will stand corrected if required.
What I did ask was if those who make the comment\s have any stats to support this and until these were available the "argument" is speculative.

Are you suggesting that my previously stated encounters are fictitious? Or that my encounters will only be validated if supported by a full data set?

Ian

 

[Gellyneck]

Maybe what members who experience this issue should be doing is asking the committee to provide the statistics around "block booking" and "cancellations" rather than requesting a deposit system which may be a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

So why should booking a pitch be any different?

One of the benefits of it being a members club (and, yes, operated on business lines).

 

[Gellyneck]

Are you suggesting that my previously stated encounters are fictitious? Or that my encounters will only be validated if supported by a full data set?

Ian

Unclear on how you could draw that conclusion from what I said?
What I clearly said was that until stats are available the scale of the problem is unknown.

 

[SpeedyDux]

Surely your deposit should have been refunded or at least moved to a new booking?

I cancelled because the Coronavirus situation was becoming a concern. This was just ahead of the lockdown announcement, so it was down to me. The campsite concerned has closed the facilities we want so we haven't re-booked.

 

[bigtwin]

Initially you said, in response to my comment that I’d met a few who engaged in the block booking strategy:

What I did ask was if those who make the comment\s have any stats to support this and until these were available the "argument" is speculative.

To suggest that the argument is speculative seems pretty much like you’re dismissing my experience/data.

Unclear on how you could draw that conclusion from what I said?
What I clearly said was that until stats are available the scale of the problem is unknown.

What else am I to conclude?

Ian

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[Spriddler]

Except for my first year with an ancient and falling apart motorhome (motorhome! ) nearly 20 years ago I've never toured by motorhome in the U.K. but I reckon the block booking/full sites issue must be more of a concern for caravanners since as a last resort we m/homers can always find any old spot for a night or two (or an entire trip), particularly if using the speciality websites to find overnight stopping places.
I have never, ever advance booked abroad. Researching/booking 'grudge' trips in the U.K. for this year has been a severe culture shock.

 

[Nirvanauk]

How do you arrive at the conclusion that it's most members? Asking for a friend.

Maybe we should set up a poll? Would you mind doing that please?
Many thanks.

 

[Gellyneck]

Initially you said, in response to my comment that I’d met a few who engaged in the block booking strategy:

What I did ask was if those who make the comment\s have any stats to support this and until these were available the "argument" is speculative.

To suggest that the argument is speculative seems pretty much like you’re dismissing my experience/data.

Unclear on how you could draw that conclusion from what I said?
What I clearly said was that until stats are available the scale of the problem is unknown.

What else am I to conclude?

Ian

If that's what you've taken from my comments I will apologise however I still don't understand how you did.

Anyway, no point in going around in circles and suggest those who have a concerns with this alleged issue raise it with the committee again as a response to the output from the recent AGM.

 

[bigtwin]

Anyway, no point in going around in circles and suggest those who have a concerns with this alleged issue raise it with the committee again as a response to the output from the recent AGM.

It has been raised many times, sometimes with significant petitions, but it never leads anywhere.

Ian

 

[Gellyneck]

Maybe we should set up a poll? Would you mind doing that please?
Many thanks.

Not sure of how definitive an answer that would give as, I guess, not all C&MC members will be on here as well. In particular I doubt if very many of the caravan members will be.

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[Gaston aires]

The CAMC operate on trust, it’s the members who persist in block booking who’s to blame. The club have implemented a three cancellations policy not long after finishing multiple site bookings.
If they start a deposit system they’ll be dammed, if they don’t they’ll be dammed as well. Personally I wouldn’t mind a deposit system to stop this nonsense.
Phil

 

[Beltie]

I do feel I am being accused of something which is pure speculation though!

Janine, you may as well save your breath, you should realise that for some people, a healthy dose of hearsay, rumour and speculation will always trump facts.
I'm with you, the C&MC system suits me fine.

 

[Beltie]

The CAMC operate on trust, it’s the members who persist in block booking who’s to blame. The club have implemented a three cancellations policy not long after finishing multiple site bookings.
If they start a deposit system they’ll be dammed, if they don’t they’ll be dammed as well. Personally I wouldn’t mind a deposit system to stop this nonsense.
Phil

But what evidence do you have that this is going on? I've been a member for almost twenty years and it did used to happen. Since the club tightened up the regs., however, things seem much better.

 

[Janine]

Janine, you may as well save your breath, you should realise that for some people, a healthy dose of hearsay, rumour and speculation will always trump facts.
I'm with you, the C&MC system suits me fine.

And the opening post didn't even reflect the true status of the bookings anyway!

 

[Gaston aires]

But what evidence do you have that this is going on? I've been a member for almost twenty years and it did used to happen. Since the club tightened up the regs., however, things seem much better.

I would absolutely agree with you, but there are always those who will exploit any system. It happens and I sometimes ring up on the day and get last minute cancellations.

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[M-J]

Thankfully in two more weeks we can all get out and the cabin fever will be gone.

On the plus side all the grumpy people constantly complaining about the CAMC are all leaving the club so the sites will be an even nicer place to be and more availability to block book in advance.

 

[Langtoftlad]

And the opening post didn't even reflect the true status of the bookings anyway!

It perhaps did... as he wants a week or more.

 

[Gellyneck]

It has been raised many times, sometimes with significant petitions, but it never leads anywhere.

Ian

Guess the only options then for those members who are impacted by this alleged issue is to either garner enough support to change the committee to one that will support the change, accept the process may \ will not change or take their support elsewhere.

As you will probably guess the current process works for us, we've got 95 nights booked (in the last few weeks) all of which we fully intend to use, however I can understand why this may not work for others. My fundamental concern is that it may be a minority seeking change. If it can be determined that those seeking a change to deposits required and the process changes so be it. The decision is then for those members who enjoy the current process to review the options above.

 

[138go]

Maybe we should set up a poll? Would you mind doing that please?
Many thanks.

I'm not that bothered to be honest.

I'll leave it to you.

 

[138go]

It has been raised many times, sometimes with significant petitions, but it never leads anywhere.

Ian

I wonder why not?

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[Spriddler]

I would absolutely agree with you, but there are always those who will exploit any system.

Indeed so. I've even read on here that people join the Scottish or New Zealand branch of the National Trust because it's cheaper than the English membership.

 

[Gaston aires]

Indeed so. I even heard that people join the Scottish or New Zealand branch of the National Trust because it's cheaper than the English membership.

Och aye the all blacks. I know people who do the same with the National trust, is it really worth it ?

 

[Langtoftlad]

National Trust = £72
Din l-Art Ħelwa = €20

Over £50 per year = free CAMC membership

 

[Larrynwin]

But as you know as soon as booking opens then people go on and book a year ahead depriving serious people of getting a pitch.

I booked ahead until September and am serious and will use my bookings so not depriving anyone and I’m sure there are others like me.
Due to the pandemic and what will be a rush for pitches many will have booked ahead more than normal.

 

[orridge]

Och aye the all blacks. I know people who do the same with the National trust, is it really worth it ?

Yes as you get NT & English Heritage but then we are Kiwi's so not gaming the system.

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