french speed cameras

[Skez]

No. The Fatal Four as defined by UK police are , not wearing a seat belt, using a mobile phone, drink driving and speed. If someone is driving slowly, in other driver's opinions and then perform a dangerous manoeuver that results in a collision then that is the fault of the impatient driver.

Not strictly correct - note the word 'inappropriate' in the extract from Parliamentary notes below. The hackneyed phrase 'speed kills' is an overused blanket term which disguises far too many other contributory factors.

Speed doesn't kill you - the sudden stop after it has been used inappropriately (skill, training, machinery, prevailing conditions etc.) may kill you.

19.The National Police Chiefs Council told us that “enforcement of the Fatal 4 [ … ] remains a priority to reduce the numbers of people killed and seriously injured”.Broken Link Removed The Fatal 4 are:

• Drink and drug driving. A driver/rider being impaired by alcohol contributed to 4,741 accidents in 2014, 127 of which were fatal and 1,111 caused serious injuries. This was 8% of all fatal accidents and 6% of all serious accidents. A driver/rider being impaired by drugs (illicit and medicinal) contributed to 684 accidents in 2014, 47 of which were fatal and 197 caused serious injuries. This was 3% of all fatal accidents and 6% of all serious accidents.Broken Link Removed
• Non-wearing of seatbelts. 336 of killed car occupants in 2014 were not wearing a seat belt, this is 21% of total car occupant deaths.Broken Link Removed
• Inappropriate speed. Driving too fast for conditions was a contributory factor in 7,737 accidents in 2014, 169 of which were fatal and 1,441 caused serious injury. This was 11% of all fatal accidents and 8% of serious accidents. Exceeding the speed limit was a contributory factor in 5,509 accidents, 254 of which were fatal and 1,199 caused serious injury. This was 16% of all fatal accidents and 7% of all serious accidents.Broken Link Removed
• Driving while distracted (use of mobile phone/device). A driver using a mobile phone is recorded as a contributory factor in relatively few accidents: 492 in 2014, 21 of which were fatal and 84 caused serious injury. This was 1% of all fatal accidents and less than 1% of all serious accidents. However, “distraction in vehicle” was a contributory factor in 3,200 accidents in 2014, 68 of which were fatal and 206 caused serious injury.Broken Link Removed

 

[Hymerbell]

No. The Fatal Four as defined by UK police are , not wearing a seat belt, using a mobile phone, drink driving and speed. If someone is driving slowly, in other driver's opinions and then perform a dangerous manoeuver that results in a collision then that is the fault of the impatient driver.

Well of course the police would say that....they benefit from all the speeding fines as I’ve described. Also nice cushy number filling out a few forms or sitting in a patrol car with a hand held camera as opposed to doing what police SHOULD be doing like chasing jewell thieves down dead end alleys, jumping over 8 foot walls and wrestling them to the ground.... much harder work....or have I been watching too many films ?

The old phrase, lies, damn lies and statistics springs to mind. Who Is to say the person driving at 4mph over the speed limit died because he was driving 4mph over the speed limit or because he was looking at cows in a field to the side. Would he (or her) have survived had they been going at 49mph and looking at the same cows. Or are looking at cows The Fatal Fifth ?

 

[thebriars]

Well of course the police would say that....they benefit from all the speeding fines as I’ve described. Also nice cushy number filling out a few forms or sitting in a patrol car with a hand held camera as opposed to doing what police SHOULD be doing like chasing jewell thieves down dead end alleys, jumping over 8 foot walls and wrestling them to the ground.... much harder work....or have I been watching too many films ?

The old phrase, lies, damn lies and statistics springs to mind. Who Is to say the person driving at 4mph over the speed limit died because he was driving 4mph over the speed limit or because he was looking at cows in a field to the side. Would he (or her) have survived had they been going at 49mph and looking at the same cows. Or are looking at cows The Fatal Fifth ?

 

[tonyidle]

Paul and Val, I hope to be joining you as resident In FR as soon as the brakes come off and I can get up there from Spain and get my feet under the table before the end of The Implementation Period [praying for an extention]

However, your rant about the 80kph limit cuts no ice with me because you clearly have never driven coast to coast across the USA, where there is a blanket 55mph limit max everywhere, including the Interstates.View attachment 388627
This is Interstate 10 in Arizona. Spot the other vehicle. There ain't one. There are many hundreds of miles like this across the SW and S USA. But there are also notices on the roadside "Speed control by aircraft in this area". Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

Despite the mind-numbing tedium of driving over 3000 miles at no more than 55mph, I felt the idea that "It is a stupid and arbitrary limit and deserves to be treated with contempt." or any more polite version of this absurd statement would not go down well with the average US Highway Patrol officer.

Please will you explain to us what is stupid about "if you don't ever speed you don't have to worry"

I think you'll find the universally unpopular 55 limit disappeared a long time ago - but not in every State:

Common U.S. Roadway Speed Limits

Type of Driving	Miles per hour	Kilometers per hour
Multi-lane highway driving	55 – 70 mph	88 – 118 km/h
Most 2-lane highways outside cities & towns	55 – 65 mph	88 – 105 km/h
Major roads in urban and suburban areas	25 – 45 mph	40 – 72 km/h
Residential streets	25 – 35 mph	40 – 56 km/h
School zones	15 – 25 mph	23 – 40 km/h

In addition to maximum speed limits, there are sometimes default minimum speed limits. You will see that most often on freeways where the minimum speed may be 45 mph. Most jurisdictions also have laws prohibiting speeds so low they are dangerous or impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic.

 

[Hymerbell]

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Lol....hope you don’t do that whilst driving ?

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[thebriars]

Lol....hope you don’t do that whilst driving ?

Everybody does, that's one reason I drive at a sensible speed and within the speed limits whatever they are.

 

[Hymerbell]

Everybody does, that's one reason I drive at a sensible speed and within the speed limits whatever they are.

Depends what you call sensible....Better just to get a good nights sleep, don’t look at cows and NEVER wear a hat.

 

[busby]

One of the reasons I choose to get to Spain via Bilbao or Santander

- 800 boring miles on dual carriageway or roads with countless roundabouts or other roads - constantly watching the speedo instead of the road.

OK if you want to just see France but not for 'a dash to the sun'....

Always enjoy a slow meander down through France in the spring,summer and autumn..Never have a destination or ever in a rush..BUSBY.

 

[busby]

They are just a form of disguised tax...and in England if you want to avoid the 3 points and go on a patronising jobsworth “Driver awareness course” the £100 or so you have to cough up goes straight into the police coffers I believe so that the State has more money to pay for their final salary pensions....that’s why the police are so industrious in trying to catch people going 33mph in a 30mph instead of doing their real job in catching criminals....especially the one who broke into my garage and stole my daughters bike.

I would just like to point out to any plod reading this that I am being forced to write this by a masked intruder and have the utmost respect for our Boys In Blue

You must have a different Police force to us.BUSBY

 

[glenn2926]

Depends what you call sensible....Better just to get a good nights sleep, don’t look at cows and NEVER wear a hat.

The hat comment made me laugh. On my very first driving lesson my instructor told me to never trust anyone driving wearing a hat. It has proven to be very good advice over the years.

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[Camdoon]

Was stopped this morning on the A!9 by a PC's reckoning that I was doing 72mph (80 -10%). His calibrated car was doing 70 and I crept past him so by his reckoning I must have been doing 80 by the clock. Humble apologies and off I went.
They must be feeling unloved compared to the NHS staff.

 

[Hymerbell]

Was stopped this morning on the A!9 by a PC's reckoning that I was doing 72mph (80 -10%). His calibrated car was doing 70 and I crept past him so by his reckoning I must have been doing 80 by the clock. Humble apologies and off I went.
They must be feeling unloved compared to the NHS staff.

Humble apologies ! I’d have done a quick kick to the back of the knees so he dropped to the ground and then a karate chop to the neck and then driven on......quickly !

 

[Camdoon]

Humble apologies ! I’d have done a quick kick to the back of the knees so he dropped to the ground and then a karate chop to the neck and then driven on......quickly !

I was ever so 'umble and coming back down the same road an hour later but there was the moment's temptation to spin the wheels leaving the lay-by.

 

[gus-lopez]

His calibrated car was doing 70

If he was on his own it doesn't count.

 

[Camdoon]

If he was on his own it doesn't count.

It does in England. Been done before by a single policeman in a car and checked its legality, in fact it is a standing joke with the wife as she saw the car at the previous junction and never mentioned it to me. Circa 1991.

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[Landy Andy]

Just as I thought then.


“NEW SUPER-RADARS NOT SO SUPER

At the end of 2016 the French government announced the introduction of the Mesta-Fusion 2, or ‘turret’ radars, that were said to be able to detect numerous motoring infringements including using a phone, not wearing a seat belt, not having insurance, no MOT as well as recording vehicle speeds. It now turns out that these claims were somewhat exaggerated & the government has just revealed that the ‘turret’ radars can at present only be used to record speeding vehicles.“

 

[Nigel P]

Well of course the police would say that....they benefit from all the speeding fines as I’ve described. Also nice cushy number filling out a few forms or sitting in a patrol car with a hand held camera as opposed to doing what police SHOULD be doing like chasing jewell thieves down dead end alleys, jumping over 8 foot walls and wrestling them to the ground.... much harder work....or have I been watching too many films ?

The old phrase, lies, damn lies and statistics springs to mind. Who Is to say the person driving at 4mph over the speed limit died because he was driving 4mph over the speed limit or because he was looking at cows in a field to the side. Would he (or her) have survived had they been going at 49mph and looking at the same cows. Or are looking at cows The Fatal Fifth ?

Perhaps an opportunity to set aside some of the myths. Almost all UK police forces contract out speed awareness courses to private organisations or partnerships. Additionally fixed camera sites are maintained out of a portion of the costs of fixed penalties, there is no 'profit' which assists with any pension arrangements. Speed awareness courses are a national initiative where an opportunity is given to avoid penalty points yet pay a fee very similar to the cost of a fixed penalty notice. Those beyond the scope of the speed course limits do not have the opportunity to have a course they go to court and are dealt with at magistrates courts. The current conviction rate for speeding offenders in court is around 91%.
Almost no money goes back to police forces for speed enforcement, I am not a police officer, I am a consultant who delivers those speed awareness courses for a fixed fee; why have 3 points when you can simply spend 4 hours chatting with me instead!

 

[Odd-no-more]

why have 3 points when you can simply spend 4 hours chatting with me instead

Better not to get caught and taxed at all

 

[Dorwyn]

RN10 speed cameras. While chugging away along the RN10 last September, observing the constantly varying speed signs, 70, 80, 90, 110 etc, I thought that's it, didn't get me this time. Of course, on our return, there was a speeding ticket on the doormat. 85kph on an 80. So I checked the dash cam on that long stretch of road, because I hadn't seen a camera. What I did see was a gleaming new huge unmarked (no company name etc) red artic, parked on a raised piece of what looked like a deserted old airfield or industrial site. I remembered seeing it at the time, wondering what on earth it was doing there. Now I know. So beware of parked trucks in odd places. They're out to get you.

 

[Emmit]

RN10 speed cameras. While chugging away along the RN10 last September, observing the constantly varying speed signs, 70, 80, 90, 110 etc, I thought that's it, didn't get me this time. Of course, on our return, there was a speeding ticket on the doormat. 85kph on an 80. So I checked the dash cam on that long stretch of road, because I hadn't seen a camera. What I did see was a gleaming new huge unmarked (no company name etc) red artic, parked on a raised piece of what looked like a deserted old airfield or industrial site. I remembered seeing it at the time, wondering what on earth it was doing there. Now I know. So beware of parked trucks in odd places. They're out to get you.

Dorwyn

Sorry for your capture on French cameras.
It could be that you really Do need to brush up on your powers of observation. After all, you've had a message in your 'Conversation' box all over the weekend, (and it is something to your benefit)

Furthermore, I know that less than an hour ago, you were looking at the thread" What's the earliest date we can get away." Well, it might not be the earliest date, but you do have an invitation. IF ONLY YOU'D ANSWER THE MESSAGE IN THAT BOX.

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[Madbird]

Hi yes that's the reason I posted the video it showed me that it's not just a speed camera

I eventually downloaded the app as I believed it thought our old Motorhome was a lorry

 

[Ian Bosman]

I used to totally hate speed cameras but these days the standard of driving is so poor that I think we need them, with the addition of some common sense, which is a rare commodity when regulations are concerned in this country. If we are to be monitored a lot more, then the penalties need to reflect the crime. Someone who has inadvertently gone 3 mph over should have a rap on the knuckles, not the same points and fine as someone who is speeding intentionally. Also repeat offenders should have the penalty increased.

However this will not happen here, they like very ridged rules and to bring in more cash.

I live close to an urban road 30mph speed limit with a quarter mile stretch of straight. There are two speed indicator signs on this stretch for each direction. As I walk along here fairly regularly I notice the number who are showing 40+ on the indicators but still show no sign of slowing. When I drive in my Corsa I always set the speed limiter to the relevant speed limit yet often find I am tailgated not just by white van man but many car drivers. The stretch I am referring to is on a bus route so suppose there is little chance of “sleeping policemen” ramps to force the speedsters to slow. What is the rush for? Keep to the law and be observant.