France

[suavecarve]

recent booking .... i keep changing them and am bound to get one right eventually, hope its this one !!

16th is a good booking. If it opens earlier, those trains will be empty. If they announce the 15th on say the 8th it will be manic !
I also have an eye on Harwich Rotterdam if France wont let us traverse to Belgium as tickets last another year now (FT)

 

[Hymerbell]

We're just a few km east of Dorat. Towards the A20

Hate to hijack this thread.....not sure if there is a “living in France thread” BUT I am seriously thinking of buying a place in France. What with Brexit I thought it might be a good idea to try to get a Carte De Sejour by July 2021. A long way off I know but someone told me that you have to apply for residency by 31st Dec 2020 (End of transition) in order to apply for Carte De Sejour...would you know if that is correct ? and if so what do I need to get residency....too late to buy in time...was thinking of renting a place...would that work ?

 

[Abacist]

Don't hold your breath! With Barnier getting told to do one by the British negotiating team and with us resolutely hanging on to our fishing sovereignty the French will get pissed off in a fit of pique and not allow us in this summer!

 

[WJACC]

Hate to hijack this thread.....not sure if there is a “living in France thread” BUT I am seriously thinking of buying a place in France. What with Brexit I thought it might be a good idea to try to get a Carte De Sejour by July 2021. A long way off I know but someone told me that you have to apply for residency by 31st Dec 2020 (End of transition) in order to apply for Carte De Sejour...would you know if that is correct ? and if so what do I need to get residency....too late to buy in time...was thinking of renting a place...would that work ?

Everything is still a little fluid but it would be a good idea to be resident by the 30 December 2020. After that I think you'll arrive as a normal 3rd party as if you've come from Iraq, USA, Bolivia etc. NO CHANCE of a Carte de Sejour without being resident, registered for Income Tax etc. Normal minimum 5 years.

Look at this facebook group, RIFT. <Broken link removed>

 

[Hymerbell]

Everything is still a little fluid but it would be a good idea to be resident by the 30 December 2020. After that I think you'll arrive as a normal 3rd party as if you've come from Iraq, USA, Bolivia etc. NO CHANCE of a Carte de Sejour without being resident, registered for Income Tax etc. Normal minimum 5 years.

Look at this facebook group, RIFT. <Broken link removed>

Not on Facebook...so you have to have been registered for income tax for 5 years to prove residency !

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[WJACC]

Not on Facebook...so you have to have been registered for income tax for 5 years to prove residency !

The Carte de Sejour rules are changing for us Brits who live in France. Until recently we didn't need one, after the Brexit referendum it was suggested we apply for a Carte de Sejour for EC residents before the UK left. For a full 10 year one you had to prove residency for 5 years, prove via 5 years tax returns you had a minimum income, prove you were in the medical system etc etc.
Now Brits over here who have one of these EC Carte de Sejour are going to have to 'swop' for a specific 3rd Party Carte de Sejour for Brits who were living in France before the UK left the EC. These give additional rights to a normal 3rd Party CdS but not as many as the EC CdS. If a Brit hasn't applied for either then I think they must before 31/12/2020 and prove residency, income etc.

If they have lived less than 5 years they'll get a temporary one.

If you arrive after 31/12/2020 you may well lose the additional rights that we have.

I suggest you join facebook and RIFT because they will have the real knowledge to help you. Also look at www.remaininfrance.eu which is their website

Bon Courage

 

[chaser]

How does all this work for Portugal?
Friend got house there he wants to sell, no residency.

 

[elamessa]

Ah - I saw the flag on your avatar and thought you were in the UK, ready to come to France!
Quite nice, Montmorillon, we do our shopping there. You must not be far from us, then? We're very close to the border with 87.

So do we.. We are very close to the border with 86

 

[Hymerbell]

The Carte de Sejour rules are changing for us Brits who live in France. Until recently we didn't need one, after the Brexit referendum it was suggested we apply for a Carte de Sejour for EC residents before the UK left. For a full 10 year one you had to prove residency for 5 years, prove via 5 years tax returns you had a minimum income, prove you were in the medical system etc etc.
Now Brits over here who have one of these EC Carte de Sejour are going to have to 'swop' for a specific 3rd Party Carte de Sejour for Brits who were living in France before the UK left the EC. These give additional rights to a normal 3rd Party CdS but not as many as the EC CdS. If a Brit hasn't applied for either then I think they must before 31/12/2020 and prove residency, income etc.

If they have lived less than 5 years they'll get a temporary one.

If you arrive after 31/12/2020 you may well lose the additional rights that we have.

I suggest you join facebook and RIFT because they will have the real knowledge to help you. Also look at www.remaininfrance.eu which is their website

Bon Courage

Ah OK.....thanks....I won’t be living in France permanently....yet anyway....just thinking I might do in the future.....one never knows.

 

[gus-lopez]

The good news is the next round of talks are on 1st June

apart from the fact they are still on phase 2 talks & by now should be on phase 6.

A long way off I know but someone told me that you have to apply for residency by 31st Dec 2020 (End of transition) in order to apply for Carte De Sejour

If it is like spain then if you don't apply before the end of transition you come under Non-eu residency rules & which require a minimum income of $75,000/person

How does all this work for Portugal?
Friend got house there he wants to sell, no residency.

You jsut sell it like here as a non resident.

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[Pete5996]

Ah OK.....thanks....I won’t be living in France permanently....yet anyway....just thinking I might do in the future.....one never knows.

As it stands at present, you need to be fiscally and physically resident by 31st December for your future pension/health rights under the WA treaty to be maintained. Move after the transition and you'll not have those rights preserved, as I understand it, so that may be a consideration. I have some friends building a house along the lane and the lockdown has trapped them in the UK, so they're hoping to be able to get out at the earliest opportunity and get on with the finishing-off and get moved in before December.

 

[WJACC]

Getting back to MHs...

Before CV day we used to have MHs pass our gate regularly and still did even after a few days of lockdown. Last evening about 9.30pm I was given the dogs their last exercise before bed when a Morelo went past. The first MH we've seen pass in 8 weeks or so

I shouted as loud as I could ' WAIT FOR ME' but the b*****d didn't stop and wait for us to load the van and follow, how inconsiderate..

 

[sedge]

Anyone considered whether the 'Dollar Premium' might be re-introduced?

 

[MisterB]

16th is a good booking. If it opens earlier, those trains will be empty. If they announce the 15th on say the 8th it will be manic !
I also have an eye on Harwich Rotterdam if France wont let us traverse to Belgium as tickets last another year now (FT)

we never use Harwich even though we are only about 10 miles away !

 

[suavecarve]

we never use Harwich even though we are only about 10 miles away !

We dont use Portsmouth and 30 miles away. Still quicker and cheaper to go via tunnel owing to time I tend to leave work on nights

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[MisterB]

We dont use Portsmouth and 30 miles away. Still quicker and cheaper to go via tunnel owing to time I tend to leave work on nights

Tunnel for us everytime !!! its so much cheaper on a frequent traveller ticket - though we are also lucky as we are that side of the UK so it makes sense for us being 2 hours from the Tunnel

 

[Hymerbell]

As it stands at present, you need to be fiscally and physically resident by 31st December for your future pension/health rights under the WA treaty to be maintained. Move after the transition and you'll not have those rights preserved, as I understand it, so that may be a consideration. I have some friends building a house along the lane and the lockdown has trapped them in the UK, so they're hoping to be able to get out at the earliest opportunity and get on with the finishing-off and get moved in before December.

Ah yes....question is what does fiscally and physically present mean...a rental agreement and proof of private income....or in the French tax system and utility bill ? All a bit hazy.

 

[Pete5996]

Ah yes....question is what does fiscally and physically present mean...a rental agreement and proof of private income....or in the French tax system and utility bill ? All a bit hazy.

<Broken link removed> gives a pretty comprehensive summary of what is needed to establish residence, particularly from the 'How do we prove we meet this criteria? paragraph onwards. Lots of good info there

I'll add <Broken link removed> too for those not yet resident. Very helpful, I think.

 

[Hymerbell]

<Broken link removed> gives a pretty comprehensive summary of what is needed to establish residence, particularly from the 'How do we prove we meet this criteria? paragraph onwards. Lots of good info there

I'll add <Broken link removed> too for those not yet resident. Very helpful, I think.

VERY much appreciated that's saved me a whole world of pain and time on research. Looks like I’ll forget the 31st Dec deadline..too much hassle and certainly can’t supply 5 years of utility bills.

Think I’ll go the TCN route...I’m sure I’ll pass the income test...can speak fairly good French and don’t want to set up a business. It’s a pity...I’ve always hankered after a place in France, keep the MH there and just go off without faffing about with ferries and tunnels and long drives to get to other European places. Plus FAR cheaper property. I saw a large house, completel basket case but with a large barn to store a MH in in the Limousine.....€20,000 ! Great project and when done a holiday home in France.

Of course it would be easier if I sold up in England and bought a REALLY nice place in France but I just know I would miss too many things and people in England so not an option.

 

[Augusta08]

I'm working on the "keeping your head down" principle, I've owned the place in Morbihan for 16 years, having got it built in 2004. I've certainly got plenty of utility bills and tax receipts Taxe d'habitation and Taxe Foncière, each year. I've never bothered with a CdS and have independent means to pay my way, with a euro based German pension and Uk based income, all taxed appropriately at source.

So far nobody has suggested I can't just continue, I must admit I've not got health insurance, maybe I should consider that? But I'm not sure who would take it on? I've not seen a doctor for 20 years apart from when I was knocked off my velo about ten years ago and my EHIC was useful in a French Hospital. I have UK based private dental care.

So KtHD and keep bu***ring on?

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[WJACC]

I'm working on the "keeping your head down" principle, I've owned the place in Morbihan for 16 years, having got it built in 2004. I've certainly got plenty of utility bills and tax receipts Taxe d'habitation and Taxe Foncière, each year. I've never bothered with a CdS and have independent means to pay my way, with a euro based German pension and Uk based income, all taxed appropriately at source.

So far nobody has suggested I can't just continue, I must admit I've not got health insurance, maybe I should consider that? But I'm not sure who would take it on? I've not seen a doctor for 20 years apart from when I was knocked off my velo about ten years ago and my EHIC was useful in a French Hospital. I have UK based private dental care.

So KtHD and keep bu***ring on?

So do you live in this house or somewhere else and this is just a holiday home?

 

[Augusta08]

So do you live in this house or somewhere else and this is just a holiday home?

Good question, I guess it's best to say I have options....

 

[WJACC]

Good question, I guess it's best to say I have options....

First assumption...

You have a UK EHIC, therefore registered for tax in the UK, but you live in France for the majority of the year.

 

[HugoBNB]

So do we.. We are very close to the border with 86

We are close to La Trimouille too. Part time only. We love it but, having spent a winter there once, we really could not fancy a residency.
Speaking to our French friends, they all seem more than a bit unhappy with the taxaction and inheritance rules too when compared to the UK.

 

[WJACC]

We are close to La Trimouille too. Part time only. We love it but, having spent a winter there once, we really could not fancy a residency.
Speaking to our French friends, they all seem more than a bit unhappy with the taxaction and inheritance rules too when compared to the UK.

We don't have an issue with taxation as a 'non-actif' and on pensions but as an employer or employee that's a different story but 'benefits' are much better than the UK should you need them. As for the winter we usually rent a villa in Spain

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[HugoBNB]

We don't have an issue with taxation as a 'non-actif' and on pensions but as an employer or employee that's a different story but 'benefits' are much better than the UK should you need them. As for the winter we usually rent a villa in Spain

Touché - Mijas Coasta for us. ?

 

[Hymerbell]

Thing is if France in their wisdom prevented Brits buying and living in France for lengthy periods the number of Brits would rapidly diminish as some sold and moved back to UK or died and were not replenished by new Brits coming in....this I think would cause a substantial hole in a lot of French communities finances.....cut, face, spite, nose are a few words that spring to mind ?.

 

[Augusta08]

First assumption...

You have a UK EHIC, therefore registered for tax in the UK, but you live in France for the majority of the year.

It only just beginning to become an issue, When I left University in 1973 we had just joined the Common Market. I was told "Europe is the Future". So I went off to work in Holland, from there I moved to Germany in 1977.

I bought a house in the UK in 1986, sold it in 2004 when the house in France was completed. During which time I worked in Germany/Hong Kong/France & Belgium, but mainly Germany. Always paid my taxes where I was working, hence the German pension.

I retired aged 53 and have lived off the proceeds of my labours, I now have 3 houses, never really worried about that as they're all in the EU, and I thought of myself as a "European", speaking English, French and German.

Now I'm 70 and it's all becoming an issue, none of this is of my making.

I just can't be ar**d keep my head down, Emanuel M. has far more pressing issues to worry about.

 

[WJACC]

Thing is if France in their wisdom prevented Brits buying and living in France for lengthy periods the number of Brits would rapidly diminish as some sold and moved back to UK or died and were not replenished by new Brits coming in....this I think would cause a substantial hole in a lot of French communities finances.....cut, face, spite, nose are a few words that spring to mind ?.

Luckily they have the Dutch, Belgians, Scandinavians, Germans etc etc to fill that hole, but don't forget it's the Brits who voted to leave the EU and make it more difficult, though not impossible, for future generations. Not only that the French are taking a liking to buy up 'done up' British houses at knock down prices as some Brits head back to the UK.

 

[pagey]

looks like france is out this year just seen on the news they are applying the 14 day isolation period when you enter france

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