Ford engine problems (2 Viewers)

[Miggs]

Friend of mine has a Benimar on a Ford platform, 2020, 12,000 miles.
He noticed lumpy tickover and loss of power at speed.
We assumed the notorious injectors and they were replaced (£2k), made absolutely no difference. Garage dug deeper and found very low compression on number one cylinder. It has been decided that an exchange engine at £8000 is best plan . If it were mine I would strip it and investigate but time is not on his side.
Seems Ford have forgotten how to make decent engines, I was reading about the horrendous failure rate of their Ecoboost range as well!

 

[jockaneezer]

"Zo Klaus, we have a very complicated belt on this new engine, but still I feel it's lacking something ?"
"Ja Gunther, I totally agree, but what if we put all this on the rear of the engine ?"
"Mein Gott, Klaus you are an evil genius, now get back to your work designing the new emissions software cheat !"

 

[The general]

It went wrong @ Euro6 !

Good point , lucky mine was last of euro 5

 

[pappajohn]

Where did it all go wrong

Trade Unions

 

[meanders]

Trade Unions

There is some truth in that, but I don't think that was the singular reason. Strange though that they have never ever accepted any responsibility for the loss of our industrial base in the 60's 70 and 80's and the consequential loss of jobs. Yes I know it was not entirely them, but it wasn't entirely the various governments of both colour of the day, or entirely the capitalist business owners either. The net impact was though than in about 25 years we lost a huge proportion of our industrial capacity to overseas including the vast majority of our car industry.

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[Garfields]

Anyone with a wet belt Ford engine needs to be checking the oil very regularly. If the level appears to go up you have a problem.
The engines run on fully synthetic oil which doesn't harm the belts.
The main cause of the problem is the oil getting contaminated with diesel.
This appears to be caused when the regeneration cycle for the emissions fails or is interrupted.
I was shown an article a few weeks ago where a company with 32 vans has had more than half the engines fail. Ford are doing feck all to help and the company are going to the wall.

 

[Northernraider]

You can’t mean the Pinto engine ! Horrible thing

Great engine if maintained properly. I must have had well over 100 pinto powered vehicles, escorts. Capri, cortina, granada , transit even an actual pinto itself imported from America. In 1600, 2000 and 2.3 versions .

They're biggest downfall was the wee oil tube clogging up and starving the top of oil. But they were good engines

The cvh were shite

 

[Northernraider]

Tree huggers

Fixed that for you

 

[Northernraider]

"Zo Klaus, we have a very complicated belt on this new engine, but still I feel it's lacking something ?"
"Ja Gunther, I totally agree, but what if we put all this on the rear of the engine ?"
"Mein Gott, Klaus you are an evil genius, now get back to your work designing the new emissions software cheat !"
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I brought coffee down my nose

 

[Guigsy]

And yet the average vehicle on the road is older than ever.

Sure, older engines were easier to maintain because they were simpler. But they also needed a lot more maintenance!

EGR, dual mass flywheels, etc. There have been recurring issues for decades.

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[Northernraider]

And yet the average vehicle on the road is older than ever.

Sure, older engines were easier to maintain because they were simpler. But they also needed a lot more maintenance!

EGR, dual mass flywheels, etc. There have been recurring issues for decades.

You're not going old enough lol.

 

[Guigsy]

You're not going old enough lol.

But to blame it on EV development and Euro6... facts don't support it. In general, cars are more reliable than ever.

 

[Northernraider]

But to blame it on EV development and Euro6... facts don't support it. In general, cars are more reliable than ever.

Hmm I'm not convinced of that.

A lot of my older cars anytime it broke down it was something simple like a dirty rotar arm or dodgy ht lead.

Nowadays it's one of the 50 sensors to tell me there's nowt wrong with it bar the sensor.. at £60+ a pop .

Most older cars went to scrap due to corrosion not engine failure.

Nowadays look in a scrapyard and the bodywork can be perfect but the engine electrics etc are knackered.


I think if companies had just sorted out the corrosion issues from the pre 90's and kept the simple basic non ecu engines vehicles would be great. Also bin all that lazy driver crap of electric everything.


But no money in that and above everything else it has always been about profit . Nowadays they try to convince the masses that its more environmentally friendly to keep making new vehicles than to maintain and preserve old ones.

And sadly many believe it so no matter what we do we are doomed

 

[Coolcats]

Based on Experience of Fords over 50 years some older ones were good Cortinas etc but modern ones are badly engineered , poorly built and thirsty and planned to fall apart when outside warranty like German cars

Some stats for you Ford doesn’t even make the top 10 of unreliable engines

Who makes the most reliable engines? | The Car Expert

Extensive warranty data show that some famous-name car brands make some of the least reliable engines on the market.

www.thecarexpert.co.uk

 

[Northernraider]

Some stats for you Ford doesn’t even make the top 10 of unreliable engines

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Who makes the most reliable engines? | The Car Expert

Extensive warranty data show that some famous-name car brands make some of the least reliable engines on the market.

www.thecarexpert.co.uk

Who the feck wrote that lol.


Having had more cars than the average bloke those figures just don't match my own personal experience.

Jaguar ,Land rover and fiat don't belong in that top 10.
Volkswagen. Saab and mitsibushi do

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[Guigsy]

Hmm I'm not convinced of that.

A lot of my older cars anytime it broke down it was something simple like a dirty rotar arm or dodgy ht lead.

Nowadays it's one of the 50 sensors to tell me there's nowt wrong with it bar the sensor.. at £60+ a pop .

Most older cars went to scrap due to corrosion not engine failure.

Nowadays look in a scrapyard and the bodywork can be perfect but the engine electrics etc are knackered.


I think if companies had just sorted out the corrosion issues from the pre 90's and kept the simple basic non ecu engines vehicles would be great. Also bin all that lazy driver crap of electric everything.


But no money in that and above everything else it has always been about profit . Nowadays they try to convince the masses that its more environmentally friendly to keep making new vehicles than to maintain and preserve old ones.

And sadly many believe it so no matter what we do we are doomed

A lot of cars went bang in a big way because there were no sensors or electronics to tell them something was wrong.

Yes, cars are a lot more complex now. But they aren't actually any less reliable. Most cars will see the garage maybe once a year for the first 5 years of their life. And that's effectively just a fluid change. Many make it to 10 years with only minor issues. Compared to in the 70s when many cars (cough, BL) were frequently scrapped rust buckets at three years old.

 

[Northernraider]

Some stats for you Ford doesn’t even make the top 10 of unreliable engines

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Who makes the most reliable engines? | The Car Expert

Extensive warranty data show that some famous-name car brands make some of the least reliable engines on the market.

www.thecarexpert.co.uk

Also the main issues with Ford isn't the engines it's other stuff. I was a pre 90's Ford man , I loved them and had loads of them , I've only had 10-15 ford's post 1990 . Have had loads of vw. My brother has always been a Ford man ...he's had countless mondeos he just keeps moving up a few years and has done since the mk1 ... but nearly every year he spends a fortune come mot time .... its been a heated conversation every year for well over a decade.

 

[Garfields]

Who the feck wrote that lol.


Having had more cars than the average bloke those figures just don't match my own personal experience.

Jaguar ,Land rover and fiat don't belong in that top 10.
Volkswagen. Saab and mitsibushi do

It's very old data Sabb went pop about 2011
And agree re Landrover no experience of Jags though

 

[Northernraider]

A lot of cars went bang in a big way because there were no sensors or electronics to tell them something was wrong.

Yes, cars are a lot more complex now. But they aren't actually any less reliable. Most cars will see the garage maybe once a year for the first 5 years of their life. And that's effectively just a fluid change. Many make it to 10 years with only minor issues. Compared to in the 70s when many cars (cough, BL) were frequently scrapped rust buckets at three years old.

I think the problem here is we are comparing different things .

I've never bought a brand new car and only ever had 2 cars that were less than 3 years old. So I generally buy cars that are 10 years old +

And it's those I'm comparing, I've had numerous vehicles aged between 10 and 40 years old. Many of the cars around 10 years old would never reach 40 years old nowadays.

I don't believe new cars are designed to last. And I think that's the longterm plan with ev's too .

In general governments worldwide want a future where only the wealthy who can replace a vehicle every 5 years with a new one and the old one is recycled.

They just cant/won't say that because it doesn't guarantee them a peaceful transition.


By 2050 , no one will be travelling abroad etc .. you'll be confined to a 20 mile radius round your own city lol.

 

[Sandancers]

Anyone with a wet belt Ford engine needs to be checking the oil very regularly. If the level appears to go up you have a problem.
The engines run on fully synthetic oil which doesn't harm the belts.
The main cause of the problem is the oil getting contaminated with diesel.
This appears to be caused when the regeneration cycle for the emissions fails or is interrupted.
I was shown an article a few weeks ago where a company with 32 vans has had more than half the engines fail. Ford are doing feck all to help and the company are going to the wall.

I thought that the regeneration on the Ford engine is done by injecting diesel into the exhaust after the turbo to raise the temperature of the exhaust rather than putting more fuel into the cylinders ? Therefore, how would excess diesel get into the engine oil ? Am I wrong on that ?

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[meanders]

MG Rover went in 2001or thereabouts. Mind you the KV6 engine was used in some Landrovers and Kia before the Chinese took it.

 

[Northernraider]

It's very old data Sabb went pop about 2011
And agree re Landrover no experience of Jags though

Jaguar when it was jaguar was not bad , it started going wrong when rover bought them then worse as time went on . The x type was a mondeo.


Had a few lovely older jags

My favourite was a 1973 xj coupe 5.3l

Beautiful car .

Had a 2002 jaguar s type 3.0 ... it wasn't too bad but nowt newer .

Landrovers no comment lol

Had a few lovely saabs , 3 x 900 and 2 9000. A nice carlson turbo version too.


Several mitsibushi, cars ,vans and 4x4 jeeps .. can't say I ever had issues with them either.

 

[Barriesimpson]

These new fandangled environmentally friendly engines are shit.


12k miles is a disgrace

This is the problem it seems. All new fangled emissions shit is damaging engines. A diesel engine with 12.000 miles is only just run in. Proper diesel engines are good, or used to be, for 500.000 miles minimum.

 

[Stoosal]

I thought that the regeneration on the Ford engine is done by injecting diesel into the exhaust after the turbo to raise the temperature of the exhaust rather than putting more fuel into the cylinders ? Therefore, how would excess diesel get into the engine oil ? Am I wrong on that ?

Injects diesel into the cylinders on the exhaust stroke which burns in dpf on contact. Issues can arise if too much is injected (faulty injector), if it repeatedly fails regen process etc when excess oil can ruin down cylinder and dilute oil.

 

[Sandancers]

Injects diesel into the cylinders on the exhaust stroke which burns in dpf on contact. Issues can arise if too much is injected (faulty injector), if it repeatedly fails regen process etc when excess oil can ruin down cylinder and dilute oil.

Yes, many types of cars do that, but I thought Ford engines injected the fuel directly into the exhaust and did not put excess fuel into the cylinders ?

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[jerryz]

Had a cortina mk1 it was indistructable ,, had a capri 2.8L from new it fell apart in 3 years ,, went well , birds loved it but rubbish construction, my Isuzu TFR went 776,000 kms thats over nearly 500,000 miles and the new owner is still driving 6 years later ,,,My old Renault 25 did 284,000 miles from new never broke ever my last saab did 194,000 from new never broke down ever worst jap car I had was a mazda 3 rusted to death in 3 years

suprisingly had a Citroen BX that was bombproof

currently have my Adria, a Nissan note now 87,000 miles never had a fault 14 years , a toyota Hilux vigo only 5 years old now 75k and a New Isuzu MUX 6 years old done 240,000 miles already only worn aircon compressor at 160,000

wont touch any German cars or fords , jags landrovers even new Nissans are crap now ,,

I also collect Ducatis everyone is terrified of them for reliablity but they are bombproof if looked after and easy to service , have toured EU on one and another has been all over Thailand, laos, Cambodia, Malaysia .....

 

[Coolcats]

Who the feck wrote that lol.


Having had more cars than the average bloke those figures just don't match my own personal experience.

Jaguar ,Land rover and fiat don't belong in that top 10.
Volkswagen. Saab and mitsibushi do

Do you have the warranty claim information that the magazine writer does to prove them wrong, I have also had more cars than the average bloke. But wouldn’t claim I know which engine was the most unreliable sometimes reliability of a vehicle is down to the person behind the wheel…

 

[Northernraider]

Do you have the warranty claim information that the magazine writer does to prove them wrong, I have also had more cars than the average bloke. But wouldn’t claim I know which engine was the most unreliable sometimes reliability of a vehicle is down to the person behind the wheel…

Did you miss the bit where I said "those figures don't match my own personal experience "

Magazine writer aka journalist .

Well known for being factual

 

[bigwood]

Part of my army apprenticeship 71-73 we had to strip a Landrover engine with overhead inlet valves and side exhaust valves. Later we did the same with a Bedford six cylinder petrol engine.
The difference in engines now is in a different world. I agree they are better for the environment emissions wise but the waste from scrap when nothing is repaired must outweigh that.

 

[Guigsy]

Part of my army apprenticeship 71-73 we had to strip a Landrover engine with overhead inlet valves and side exhaust valves. Later we did the same with a Bedford six cylinder petrol engine.
The difference in engines now is in a different world. I agree they are better for the environment emissions wise but the waste from scrap when nothing is repaired must outweigh that.

A small change in efficiency over 100,000 miles can easily cover the energy required to build another. The amount of energy that goes into the fuel tanks of an average car over it's lifetime is truly phenomenal. It's way more than the energy required to make it.

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[neilydun]

Good point , lucky mine was last of euro 5

The sweet spot was the last of the Euro 5`s that comply (by date) for low emission zones.
My nephew just put a private plate on a 2008 Caddy, and that now complies with TFL`s low emission zone. Which is a bonus.