Fire in junction box. Can anyone suggest where i can get the parts for this? Or, can i use a standard junction box? From a Ci Carioca 54 plate.

[Dunks]

 

[haganap]

Obviously having suffered a write off due to fire I'm following this thread with interested.

But can someone explain why the wago connection would be better than a simple spade stroke female connector?

Just used the wago to connect up all my heating stuff on my waste tank but only by chance really. Just interested

 

[Lenny HB]

Obviously having suffered a write off due to fire I'm following this thread with interested.

But can someone explain why the wago connection would be better than a simple spade stroke female connector?

Just used the wago to connect up all my heating stuff on my waste tank but only by chance really. Just interested

The Wago makes a much better connection as it clamps the wire under tension.

The spade/stroke push-on connectors rely on the bent metal connectors being a good fit not only does the fit & quality vary a lot but with age and vibration they can work lose.

 

[Bodoge]

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Personally I wouldn't use anything other than a porcelain or bakelite insulated connectors and a high rated one , 20 or 30A to terminate those cables. I would also question the effectiveness of the circuit protection, something should have tripped on overload.

 

[Gromett]

Personally I wouldn't use anything other than a porcelain or bakelite insulated connectors and a high rated one , 20 or 30A to terminate those cables. I would also question the effectiveness of the circuit protection, something should have tripped on overload.

AS covered before. The high temperature can be reached by a poor connection. A poor connection would trip neither the RCD nor the MCB.
As for ceramic or bakelite. ok. Your choice. Ceramic expensive but good. Bakelite not sure why you would go old school like that? I wasn't aware that bakelite was still an option. It is brittle and not good for environments where there is vibration.
I used to use it when I was working in a Transformer factory and it would crack or chip as soon as you looked at it wrong.

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[Gromett]

Does that also apply to non branded wago style. Is there something specific about the wago brand not in the generic? Is wago a generic name or a specific brand should be first question.

I have seen comparative tests and the copies appear in most cases to be as good as the wago.
Wago have a patent on a specific style of sprung connectors. The copies are not exact copies as they have had to come up with a different method of applying the pressure.

I am not adverse to using cheaper chinese products when the real stuff is egregiously expensive. But in this case I stick with wago as a known quantity. I don't risk it when it comes to safety stuff like electrical, brakes, suspension etc.

I honestly don't find them that expensive either myself. The convenience of them and safety make them worth their money in my view.

 

[mitzimad]

Not the same thing no. If you tried to use the tool for a bootlace ferule on it you wouldn't get it off the cable after

well not after the first one

 

[EuroTrotters]

For stranded wire you will need the 221 wago lever type. The push on it’s for solid core wire only.

or solder dipped

 

[Gromett]

Never actually used them, been out of the electrical 'game' for a while, things move on, but can see why they are popular..

Just my thoughts...

Pros
Hard to make a bad connection.
No special tools required . ie ratchet crimping tool ..but would advise to use an automatic wire stripper.
Quick to make off
Good conductivity

so ideal for unskilled labour, ie on electrical panel production lines
also easy for the DIYer

Cons
relatively expensive for everyday use
bulky compared to using insulated ferrules.

I can certainly see the attraction, but for myself, probably not ,
I have bags of insulated ferrules of all sorts to last a lifetime

Can't argue with that. I have loads of insulated ferules and will still use them where it is ...
a) Permanent connection that will NEVER need to be undone and only 1 wire to 1 wire.
b) External use where it needs to be made water tight without a housing. Wrapped in self amalgamating tape they are brilliant.

If it is a multipoint connection 3 or more wires I will use a wago in every single case rather than any style of crimp connector.

 

[Gromett]

or solder dipped

Never solder dip a wire used in a vehicle. Vibrations will make it brittle and break

If you want to use the push on connectors then use a bootlace ferrule, NEVER solder it.

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[Silver-Fox]

I linked the lever type

Arnt all genuine Wago lever type and just the copies push type?

 

[TheBig1]

Arnt all genuine Wago lever type and just the copies push type?

No Wago do a few variants and both push fit and lever. As it happens the wago 221 lever type go up to 5 way easy to find buth push fit up to 8 way. Both available from screwfix

 

[Silver-Fox]

No Wago do a few variants and both push fit and lever. As it happens the wago 221 lever type go up to 5 way easy to find buth push fit up to 8 way. Both available from screwfix

Well I’ll be, I’ve only ever seen the sparkies using lever type Wago.

Seen and used onetime push fit ones though on domestic stuff.

 

[EuroTrotters]

Never solder dip a wire used in a vehicle. Vibrations will make it brittle and break

If you want to use the push on connectors then use a bootlace ferrule, NEVER solder it.

I do use bootlaces in most of my work as shown on the forum

10 amp Solar Charger with 160w solar !

Am I pushing it and should I use a 20 amp? Just I have a Truma SDC10 I picked up Brand New for a £Tenner !

www.motorhomefun.co.uk

But lets say for a non vibrating environments, you can solder dip !

 

[Dunks]

Really appreciate all the advice funsters. I will invest in the Wago connectors and hopefully that will do the trick. Thanks again...

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[Gromett]

Really appreciate all the advice funsters. I will invest in the Wago connectors and hopefully that will do the trick. Thanks again...

Please let us all know how you get on with it Thank you

 

[Gromett]

For stranded wire you will need the 221 wago lever type. The push on it’s for solid core wire only.

I just took your word for it. However watching today's eFixx news (electricians trade news) They showed the new Ideal Industries push fit connectors and they had an image of stranded cable being used.
So I looked it up and the Ideal Industries one does indeed support stranded. So I then checked the Wago ones and they DO support stranded cable.

The push fit is NOT just for solid core wires.

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[St3v3]

. They come either in a one time only push fit or a reusable lever type. I think they're great as they grip the wire well and are very easy to use I always use the lever type.

I agree the lever type are best by far. However, for info, the push fit's are re-useable.

How do you properly remove a conductor from the PUSH WIRE® connector without damaging the contact spring? Easy: Hold the conductor firmly and then alternate twisting to the left and right while pulling on the connector.

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www.wago.com

 

[Diabalo]

I just took your word for it. However watching today's eFixx news (electricians trade news) They showed the new Ideal Industries push fit connectors and they had an image of stranded cable being used.
So I looked it up and the Ideal Industries one does indeed support stranded. So I then checked the Wago ones and they DO support stranded cable.

The push fit is NOT just for solid core wires.

Wago L-BOXX Micro 2773 Push-Wire Connector Selection Case 115 Pieces - Screwfix

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I'm not sure the push fit Wago connecters would be ok for auto wiring, the stranded cable that is used in household wiring is different than auto wiring as it's a lot stiffer.

Probably talking out of me balloon knot again, hopefully someone knows.

 

[Gromett]

I'm not sure the push fit Wago connecters would be ok for auto wiring, the stranded cable that is used in household wiring is different than auto wiring as it's a lot stiffer.

Probably talking out of me balloon knot again, hopefully someone knows.

I don't know. I suspect it would work. However, I don't use the push in ones I only use the lever lock ones so I am not going to lose any sleep over it either way

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[TheBig1]

Sorry but push fit WAGO type connectors are NOT suited to automotive cables. Fine with stranded UK 2.5 twin and earth or 6mm. But not below this size with flexible cable with fine multistrands. They dont grab the fine wires very well and can pull out easily. If you have to use push fit, crimp on bootlace ferules first to create one solid core to push in

 

[Gromett]

Sorry but push fit WAGO type connectors are NOT suited to automotive cables. Fine with stranded UK 2.5 twin and earth or 6mm. But not below this size with flexible cable with fine multistrands. They dont grab the fine wires very well and can pull out easily. If you have to use push fit, crimp on bootlace ferules first to create one solid core to push in

I will have to take your word for it. But to be honest on fine stranded wire I would be using a ferule not matter what connector I was using except crimp. Any connector that puts pressure on from one side such as screw, wago etc will damage stranded cable over time.

 

[Bodoge]

I will have to take your word for it. But to be honest on fine stranded wire I would be using a ferule not matter what connector I was using except crimp. Any connector that puts pressure on from one side such as screw, wago etc will damage stranded cable over time.

Having read most of the comments on this topic seems to me that theres fit and unfit for purpose dependant on the cable core being jointed, so the saga goes on. Deep in the memory bank i dragged up a type of screw down connector that had a slip of tinned copper or may have been stainless steel running through it that you tightened down onto to prevent the screw from damaging the cable core, think it may have been in the communications industry where tiny cable cores wouldn't withstand any screw compression damage. May have been useful here too. As an apprentice spark we were told to fill the uninsulated lug as much as possible before crimping and still when using screw connectors double over cable ends, some times twice to fill terminal, old habits die hard. I wish i had Wago's when i worked in the fire alarm industry, so much easier nowadays.

 

[BillyKontiki]

Crimp for me I use wago connectors every other day in domestic applications don’t know how they hold up in a motorhome or caravan with movement/ vibration.

 

[scotjimland]

Deep in the memory bank i dragged up a type of screw down connector that had a slip of tinned copper or may have been stainless steel running through it that you tightened down onto to prevent the screw from damaging the cable core, think it may have been in the communications industry where tiny cable cores wouldn't withstand any screw compression damage.

these were same type we used in junction boxes and control room panels in the N Sea offshore oil industry for wiring low voltage , 4-20ma instrumentation measuring and control systems

also.. of note..

boot-lace ferrules were not allowed to be used.

These type of connectors are designed to compress, (but not damage) the stands and hold them tight, a boot-lace ferrule would not compress and could vibrate loose.
For joining cables we used insulated ferrules

30 years on and retired, I still only use insulated crimps for joining cables.

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[St3v3]

I will have to take your word for it. But to be honest on fine stranded wire I would be using a ferule not matter what connector I was using except crimp. Any connector that puts pressure on from one side such as screw, wago etc will damage stranded cable over time.

He did say push fit weren't suitable ‍

 

[Gromett]

He did say push fit weren't suitable ‍

Huh?

 

[St3v3]

Huh?

I.e. lever type is OK for stranded like you were saying.

 

[Gromett]

I.e. lever type is OK for stranded like you were saying.

I still don't follow you sorry.

 

[St3v3]

I still don't follow you sorry.

It's not important

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[Gromett]

scotjimland

Just found a really, really convincing argument to use and carry wago's

You do not need to carry a crimp tool around with you So a handful of wago's take up less space and less weight. And just confirmed quicker to deploy.

I think I may have converted Just smiffy ?