Filling in Dover Harbour for ETIAS (10 Viewers)

[Brains]

The infilling of part of Dover harbour has started (and been kept very quiet nationally)
This is to create a large car park so that they have some space to to deal with the long delayed ETIAS biometric checks for entry to the EU.

Story here

However this not going to create anything like the space they will need when even by their own estimates.
A couple of years in, after people have gone through the process a few times, they think they can get the pass through period to under 10 minutes per car.
(It's currently about 45 seconds.)

Initially with a fail rate of between 20% and 80% (My personal experience was 100% fail rate for the first 5-10 times) you could be looking at 30-40 minutes per car load.

Which means one Immigration Officer could be dealing with about 20 vehicles per shift on a bad day
Or 50-60 vehicles on a good day.

At the moment one Immigration Officer can deal with about 50 vehicles per hour.

However; It's what the majority wanted, so for once the recent UK Governments have delivered exactly what they voted for.

 

[Richard n Ann]

The infilling of part of Dover harbour has started (and been kept very quiet nationally)
This is to create a large car park so that they have some space to to deal with the long delayed ETIAS biometric checks for entry to the EU.

Story here

However this not going to create anything like the space they will need when even by their own estimates.
A couple of years in, after people have gone through the process a few times, they think they can get the pass through period to under 10 minutes per car.
(It's currently about 45 seconds.)

Initially with a fail rate of between 20% and 80% (My personal experience was 100% fail rate for the first 5-10 times) you could be looking at 30-40 minutes per car load.

Which means one Immigration Officer could be dealing with about 20 vehicles per shift on a bad day
Or 50-60 vehicles on a good day.

At the moment one Immigration Officer can deal with about 50 vehicles per hour.

However; It's what the majority wanted, so for once the recent UK Governments have delivered exactly what they voted for.

I think I can tolerate a 30 to 40 minute delay to my 10 week holiday

 

[Brains]

I think I can tolerate a 30 to 40 minute delay to my 10 week holiday

Ha ha!!!

That is only if there are no vehicles in front of you!
Even after this facility is built you could be looking at 10-15 hour delays in the summer !
Obviously in winter the delays might only be 3-4 hours

The one port we will NOT be using to exit the UK in the next couple of years will be Dover.
At least the other ports have the time, the facilities and the space to deal with the problem.

 

[jongood]

Ha ha!!!

That is only if there are no vehicles in front of you!
Even after this facility is built you could be looking at 10-15 hour delays in the summer !
Obviously in winter the delays might only be 3-4 hours

The one port we will NOT be using to exit the UK in the next couple of years will be Dover.
At least the other ports have the time, the facilities and the space to deal with the problem.

It doesn't officially start until next May, IF it doesn't get delayed again and IF Schengen Zone survives.

In any event I reckon the biggest problem will be in school holiday weekends when most of us don't travel anyway.

 

[Barchetta47]

The one port we will NOT be using to exit the UK in the next couple of years will be Dover.
At least the other ports have the time, the facilities and the space to deal with the problem.

If as predicted it will be a right muddle! I thought I heard that the Western Docks were only going to process coaches but I may be wrong.

I’m interested why you think other ports will be less impacted? If so I might need to change my plans for next January.

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[PaddyM]

Once the EU wakes up to the illegal immigration tsunami ( 10 yrs too late ) the S Zone will be dead and buried . Real Politik .

 

[jongood]

Once the EU wakes up to the illegal immigration tsunami ( 10 yrs too late ) the S Zone will be dead and buried . Real Politik .

It does make one wonder how much overwhelming evidence is required to get the troughites to admit that its happened.

 

[gus-lopez]

(and been kept very quiet nationally)

Yes kept it extremely quiet

I think I can tolerate a 30 to 40 minute delay to my 10 week holiday

as said that only applies if there is no vehicle in frontif there are 10 then you are looking at 6 hours & 40 minutes

If as predicted it will be a right muddle! I thought I heard that the Western Docks were only going to process coaches but I may be wrong.

No, cars are processed on the "old Boatyard" expected to be complete by october.This ,the western docks Granville infill,is for coaches. Bit late to be starting work for something that is supposed to start in May
Lorries are due to be parked up on the M20

 

[meanders]

Too late now, but if they had thought about the issue, then a lot of Samphire Hoe could have been used, although residents of Aycliffe may not have been impressed.

 

[L' Hobo]

Ha ha!!!

That is only if there are no vehicles in front of you!
Even after this facility is built you could be looking at 10-15 hour delays in the summer !
Obviously in winter the delays might only be 3-4 hours

The one port we will NOT be using to exit the UK in the next couple of years will be Dover.
At least the other ports have the time, the facilities and the space to deal with the problem.

10-15hrs, perfect time to have a day down the seaside, near the sea with no parking charge, what more could ANY Motorhomefun member ask for, well done Jim !

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[TerryL]

Never use ferries across the Channel, always Le Shuttle. Crossed a few days ago, building huge sheds at Folkestone, obviously for this reason. Did read somewhere they were promising 5 mins! Should be interesting!
But doesn't this happen only once? I understood once the details had been encrypted into your passport it wouldn't need to be done again?

 

[gus-lopez]

I understood once the details had been encrypted into your passport it wouldn't need to be done again?

you have to do fingerprints or facial at every crossing as how would they tie up passport details with who is holding it? That is my understanding?

 

[Sue and Rick]

Maybe we will be able to purchase Fastrack like at the airport.

 

[Howard B]

Have queued for an hour or more entering USA & Egypt in the past, 40 mins is not a big issue.

 

[meanders]

Also

Have queued for an hour or more entering USA & Egypt in the past, 40 mins is not a big issue.

Also queued to get into Turkey.

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[bigtree]

How long do the illegals have to queue for before being ushered to their luxury accommodation ?

 

[starquake]

you have to do fingerprints or facial at every crossing as how would they tie up passport details with who is holding it? That is my understanding?

Way US does it is fingerprints first time, then facial biometrics on future visits. Facial biometrics in US take about 2 seconds per person to process. So it's a lot less bad than a lot on here saying. Insert passport, it checks facial against both PP values & previous scan on system, if all good, you good, if not = immigration officer.

It failed on the wife's old passport on ONE occiasion as her chip in passport had failed. She was very much NOT happy about this and got a new Passport courtesy of UK gov following year after a complaint.

 

[starquake]

Way US does it is fingerprints first time, then facial biometrics on future visits. Facial biometrics in US take about 2 seconds per person to process. So it's a lot less bad than a lot on here saying. Insert passport, it checks facial against both PP values & previous scan on system, if all good, you good, if not = immigration officer.

It failed on the wife's old passport on ONE occiasion as her chip in passport had failed. She was very much NOT happy about this and got a new Passport courtesy of UK gov following year after a complaint.

Should also say in US this works well enough that it is the method used before you board a plane (ie, it works in the airport gate environment, not even at a immigration hall). If you think they can still board a plane in 20-30 mins, same as before it adds near 0 time.

 

[hja]

I read something the other day that mentioned additional car area for EES checks but that there was a need for approval from France in regard to the placing of relevant staff, particularly because cars would then have to drive to the terminal.
I think a lot of the delay is going to be the necessity for all car occupants to get out of the car in order to use the scanners. I think they are hoping to get something more portable that can be passed around a car but that hasn’t been completed yet.
I believe you do both finger prints and facial recognition first time and then just one after that.

 

[MichaelT]

you have to do fingerprints or facial at every crossing as how would they tie up passport details with who is holding it? That is my understanding?

What happens when you get a new passport,

We are due to travel January so will have to do the fingerprint stuff but as passport 10 years is up in August we will have to renew so will we have to do new fingerprint for new passport.

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[starquake]

What happens when you get a new passport,

We are due to travel January so will have to do the fingerprint stuff but as passport 10 years is up in August we will have to renew so will we have to do new fingerprint for new passport.

If it works like US, you need to do a single finger on the new PP to relink to the old. They don't take both hands on a new PP (I had a new PP myself last year, and we travel average of twice a year to US).

 

[cyberyacht]

The one port we will NOT be using to exit the UK in the next couple of years will be Dover.
At least the other ports have the time, the facilities and the space to deal with the problem.

Given the volumes that we are talking about here, which ones might they be, pray?

 

[gus-lopez]

40 mins is not a big issue.

It may not be too you .I object to any type of waiting even on the phone. You should have enought staff to ensure your customers are through in minutes. I have no patience whatsoever,absolutely none.

So it's a lot less bad than a lot on here saying.

Not really

Insert passport, it checks facial against both PP values & previous scan on system, if all good, you good, if not = immigration officer.

The 50 people have to get off the coach first ,then you'll have the ones, like when shopping, who won't even look for the passport until it is there turn, or the ones who now can't find it.

Given the volumes that we are talking about here, which ones might they be, pray?

Newhaven ,Portsmouth or Plymouth I'd have thought.

 

[L' Hobo]

It may not be too you .I object to any type of waiting even on the phone. You should have enought staff to ensure your customers are through in minutes. I have no patience whatsoever,absolutely none.

Not really

The 50 people have to get off the coach first ,then you'll have the ones, like when shopping, who won't even look for the passport until it is there turn, or the ones who now can't find it.

Newhaven ,Portsmouth or Plymouth I'd have thought.

When I first started taking coach passenger aboard, in Dover, everyone had to get off, walk through and have their passports checked and stamped and again at other borders one crossed.
That's progress for you!

Before joining the EU, all my trucks had to wait hours in Dover to get their loads cleared by Customs!

Ditto!

 

[nicholsong]

It doesn't officially start until next May, IF it doesn't get delayed again and IF Schengen Zone survives.

In any event I reckon the biggest problem will be in school holiday weekends when most of us don't travel anyway.

ETIAS is scheduled for May 2025. EES scheduled for Nov 2024.

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[Howard B]

It may not be too you .I object to any type of waiting even on the phone. You should have enought staff to ensure your customers are through in minutes. I have no patience whatsoever,absolutely none.

Your problem then. Guess you wont be coming to UK anytime soon.

 

[gus-lopez]

Your problem then. Guess you wont be coming to UK anytime soon.

No their problem as I rant continually.& yes may next year is the earliest but might be a lot later.

 

[ChrisSue]

I remember going to Germany in the 70's with 30+ Scouts and Leaders. I was about 17 but had done German at school so was deputed to take the passports to the border control going into Germany. They took one look at me holding all the passports and waved me through

 

[L' Hobo]

I remember going to Germany in the 70's with 30+ Scouts and Leaders. I was about 17 but had done German at school so was deputed to take the passports to the border control going into Germany. They took one look at me holding all the passports and waved me through

They love a uniform!

 

[hja]

Coaches are being done separately at Dover.

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