Fiat timing belt time, how much should it cost for A Class

[Stewart J]

Just had mine done by a local garage moho is a Hymer B588DL engine is a euro 5+ 150 bhp. Cost was around £485 less a few pence. This was the belt only the garage checked with Fiat who recommended not changing the water pump. Engine has done 23000. To do the fw pump on this engine involves a lot more labour the mechanic told me as both the fuel pump and ac compressor would need to be dismounted. My total bill for a full service (all filters) inc rear axle greasing, an MOT and the belt change was £914 labour rate £55/hour plus vat.

 

[Brains]

I have a Fiat-based MH (2016 2.3 150hp) low profile not A-class, which had its annual full service plus cam belt change (no water pump) in May 2021 for a total of £746 inc VAT. Have used same company since I bought the MH brand new in May 2016.

Who do you use (as I'm local)

 

[Zilevets]

Any trusted repairers in the West Yorkshire area Funster's can recommend for servicing and/or MOT?

Auto Tech David Peel
Brewery Street
Dalton Lane Keighley
That’s where I take my hymer for mot and service been using them for the last 5 years and always been okay to deal with.

Liz

 

[Lenny HB]

I am under the (probably incorrect) impression that our 2016 Hymer Exsis 414 2.3 has a cam chain not a belt-does anyone know for sure-Lenny? It has only done 10,400 miles from new but the belt-assuming it has one-is now 6 years old so probably needs replacement because of age?

John

It is a belt, only the 2.2 & 3lt had a chain.

 

[airwave]

Using a Gates complete timing belt kit, my mechanic pal did our Fiat/Hymer 2.8TDi for around £300, and it took him about 3.5 x hours.
He also did one on a Fiat X250 based MH, for a fellow Funster who travelled up from Cambridge, and for not a lot more.

Cheers,

Jock.

Yeah i used the gates kit too , think the kit cost me around 60-70 quid . Fitted it myself last year . I also found the vibration damper seized , so replaced that as well , and i had already brought a new tensioner , but the gates kit also had one .

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[Tony50]

Using a Gates complete timing belt kit, my mechanic pal did our Fiat/Hymer 2.8TDi for around £300, and it took him about 3.5 x hours.
He also did one on a Fiat X250 based MH, for a fellow Funster who travelled up from Cambridge, and for not a lot more.

Cheers,

Jock.

I use Gates on our Volvo , Gates are used by a lot of Manufactuers as OE , possibly that's what Fiat use , if so it's a lot cheaper to purchase from a Factor , also when I had a Rapido A Class it looked like a nightmare to fit a Cambelt , Coachbuilt a lot cheaper to do

 

[bobski]

Hello
It's almost 5 years since the timing belt was done on my Hymer B544 2.3 (130bhp). No mention of the water pump being done though, but not had any problems.

So as the vans an A class Hymer, any ideas what it should cost and exactly what needs doing ? It usually goes to local HGV/bus/coach dealer garage who do lots of motorhome servicing. Looking for an idea before we get a quote.

thanks.

 

[bobski]

Hello
It's almost 5 years since the timing belt was done on my Hymer B544 2.3 (130bhp). No mention of the water pump being done though, but not had any problems.

So as the vans an A class Hymer, any ideas what it should cost and exactly what needs doing ? It usually goes to local HGV/bus/coach dealer garage who do lots of motorhome servicing. Looking for an idea before we get a quote.

thanks.

just had mine done with water pump £420. Well worth it.

 

[Monty777]

It is a belt, only the 2.2 & 3lt had a chain.

Thanks Lenny-I had a good root around under the bonnet today and thought as much-I wouldn’t fancy changing the belt personally since there really isn’t much room…..

 

[TinaLes]

Yes good question that, who actually makes the Fiat kit for them?

According to a previous Cam Belt thread recently, Fiat Cam belt Kits are made by Dayco they simply apply a Fiat stamp to them.
The supplier actually showed the two kits to The Funster Client and asked him to spot the difference, so effectively £200 for Fiat packaging.
Found this:
Is Dayco an OEM?


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Tough decision, but we all know Fiat dont make fan/cam belts, they must use specialist suppliers like Dayco.
Found a complete kit with water pump for our van, below.
LES
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[Geo]

I would be more interested in what warranties are offered in case the $**t does hit the fan
Will your chosen pal re engineer and re build your engine come to that will your main dealer ???

 

[Lenny HB]

I would be more interested in what warranties are offered in case the $**t does hit the fan
Will your chosen pal re engineer and re build your engine come to that will your main dealer ???

That's why my independent use the Fiat kit, a couple of hundred more against 8k plus if it goes tits up I'll pay the 200.

 

[Tony50]

That's why my independent use the Fiat kit, a couple of hundred more against 8k plus if it goes tits up I'll pay the 200.

It's not much ( as long as you are using renowned quality parts) about the kit it's more about the correct fitment , fitted and adjusted too tight it will whine and then possibly break, adjusted too lose and it could jump on a gear. Which on turn could cause engine damage, cambelts are tough and glass re-enforced. Main dealers should have a proper tool to get correct adjustment.

 

[Sapper520]

Our local Fiat Professional Garage tells me that the water pump on my van (2020) is not done when the cambelt change is due, ………that’s what Mr Fiat says.

 

[Guigsy]

On my previous x250 2.3l van, they did the belt through the right wheel arch while the van was on an axle stand. Took about 90 minutes while I watched! I doubt it being an a-class actually makes that much difference.

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[BusyBuilder]

I've had to quotes for belt and water pump

Inverness FiaT dealer is £495 for parts plus £1074 labour inc VAT

my usual heavy goods commercial garage, £756 +VAT all in using Fiat parts.

 

[stevewagner]

Coastal Motorhomes have the FIAT complete kit including water pump for £282.37

 

[Tony50]

I had 2 A Classes and both we're Rapidos ,not good to work on, far more difficult than motorhome with a Fiat cab. Unfortunately that's sometimes why you pay more for maintenance on what I call an arm stripper.

 

[tribalbrit]

just had mine done with water pump £420. Well worth it.

Bobski, who did you use? someone local to Donny?

 

[Lenny HB]

On my previous x250 2.3l van, they did the belt through the right wheel arch while the van was on an axle stand. Took about 90 minutes while I watched! I doubt it being an a-class actually makes that much difference.

It makes a huge difference, no access from the wheel arches, when I had air suspension fitted they had to strip out part of the dash to change the front struts, the only way to get at the top strut mounting is from inside.
Cambelt has to be done from underneath.

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[Wagoneer]

My 3 litre 2010 Fiat has a chain (for timing)....but this thread has made me realise....I probably need to change the belt to the water pump and possibly renew the water pump. Vehicle has done 42k miles over 12 years.

Anyone know the recommended service interval for the water pump belt and renewal of water pump. The Fiat user manual gives zero detail on what servicing is required at age/mileage intervals.

I might even need to consider renewing the belt to the alternator.

I guess these belts normally have quite a long service life....but how long ??? Must admit, never ever replaced belts on my high mileage cars.

 

[Guigsy]

It makes a huge difference, no access from the wheel arches, when I had air suspension fitted they had to strip out part of the dash to change the front struts, the only way to get at the top strut mounting is from inside.
Cambelt has to be done from underneath.

Beyond the ~20cm of coachwork, I think it's the standard Ducato 'half a dustbin' wheel well liner back there. For the van, that came out with a dozen screws and provided all the access they needed for a cambelt job.

Changing to air suspension is obviously a much bigger job. To get to the top suspension turrets for the struts is going to be a real pain when it's covered by an a-class dashboard.

 

[Steve and Denise]

My 3 litre 2010 Fiat has a chain (for timing)....but this thread has made me realise....I probably need to change the belt to the water pump and possibly renew the water pump. Vehicle has done 42k miles over 12 years.

Anyone know the recommended service interval for the water pump belt and renewal of water pump. The Fiat user manual gives zero detail on what servicing is required at age/mileage intervals.

I might even need to consider renewing the belt to the alternator.

I guess these belts normally have quite a long service life....but how long ??? Must admit, never ever replaced belts on my high mileage cars.

Is it not the same belt ? Alternator and water pump

 

[SpeedyDux]

My 3 litre 2010 Fiat has a chain (for timing)....but this thread has made me realise....I probably need to change the belt to the water pump and possibly renew the water pump. Vehicle has done 42k miles over 12 years.

Anyone know the recommended service interval for the water pump belt and renewal of water pump. The Fiat user manual gives zero detail on what servicing is required at age/mileage intervals.

I might even need to consider renewing the belt to the alternator.

I guess these belts normally have quite a long service life....but how long ??? Must admit, never ever replaced belts on my high mileage cars.

I had the auxiliary belt break on my previous car at 12 years old. Should have had it replaced sooner. When it goes, you may find that you also lose power steering making it difficult to pull over and stop somewhere safe. When the water pump stops turning you risk overheating the engine too.

Obviously because yours has a chain this doesn't apply to you, but on some engines a failed auxiliary belt can become tangled in the camshaft timing belt, which has expensive potential consequences. If in doubt, replace an old auxiliary belt. Not worth the risk.

 

[Stewen]

Mine went in yesterday - 2015 fiat x250 pvc with a local indy garage. £540 including cam belt, water pump, alternator belt ( if needed) & coolant. It the first change and a bit overdue. They rang yesterday pm to say a pully wheel has a hairline crack & new part (£35 ish) will be next day. I’m glad they spotted that! Vans only done 32k miles and was previously serviced by fiat main dealer.

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[bobski]

Bobski, who did you use? someone local to Donny?

Hi mate yes, fast fit commercials, Robert's road, balby.

 

[Beltie]

Beyond the ~20cm of coachwork, I think it's the standard Ducato 'half a dustbin' wheel well liner back there. For the van, that came out with a dozen screws and provided all the access they needed for a cambelt job.

Changing to air suspension is obviously a much bigger job. To get to the top suspension turrets for the struts is going to be a real pain when it's covered by an a-class dashboard.

I thought that even on the standard Ducato cab, access to the turrets was from behind the dash.

 

[Lenny HB]

Obviously because yours has a chain this doesn't apply to you, but on some engines a failed auxiliary belt can become tangled in the camshaft timing belt, which has expensive potential consequences. If in doubt, replace an old auxiliary belt. Not worth the risk.

Happened to Northernraider on the Hymer, he had just had the cambelt changed (2.8JTD) alternator belt went and took a chunk out of the timing belt casing & snagged the camebelt.

 

[Guigsy]

I thought that even on the standard Ducato cab, access to the turrets was from behind the dash.

An a-class has a Ducato dashboard. Then an entire coachbuild layered on top of it. So you've got to remove a hell of a lot of stuff just to get at the Ducato dash.

 

[Monty777]

It is a belt, only the 2.2 & 3lt had a chain.

Thanks Lenny-I knew I had read about some Fiat Ducato engines having chains-hoped mine was one but obviously not…….

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