Fiat 1.9 td Hymer Underpowered (2 Viewers)

[alecturn1]

Been driving on motorways last couple of weeks and going along at 60 mph quite steady.
Have noticed when it comes to slight incline(ie parts of motorway where it says slow lorries),really seems to be labouring ie having to drop down to second gear at times is which doesn’t seem right any ideas ?

 

[DavidG58]

How old is the chassis, what’s the service history like?

If new something is badly wrong

 

[Steve and Denise]

Been driving on motorways last couple of weeks and going along at 60 mph quite steady.
Have noticed when it comes to slight incline(ie parts of motorway where it says slow lorries),really seems to be labouring ie having to drop down to second gear at times is which doesn’t seem right any ideas ?

The older 1.9 was definitely not built for speed is it a turbo one ?

 

[alecturn1]

Yes it’s a 2002 1.9td model

 

[alecturn1]

Forgot to add it’s done just 48,000 miles I had it serviced 2 weeks ago and it’s got 10 stamps in service book

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[chesterfield hooligan]

They were never designed for hills which is a shame.

 

[Itsmcb]

My 2.5td is not much better and it has a more than 25% bigger engine. That big overcab isn't helping you either.

 

[Barriesimpson]

What horsepower does it have?

 

[68c]

Not a particularly powerful engine, around 90BHP, so probably running as it should. If the van in your avatar photo is the one, it is not a small van and also pushing that unaerodynamic overcab.

May I advise you to treat the gearbox very kindly, they are fragile with weak 2nd gear synchro. The 5th gear was an add-on to the previous 4 speed box with a poor oil supply. Do not change up into 5th much below 3000rpm. Also consider changing the gearbox oil regularly. Spare parts are hard to find for that gearbox and difficult to find as a complete replacement. Fiat no longer support this gearbox.

if you drive your van as it would have been twenty years ago, slower traffic etc, then all will be well.

 

[alecturn1]

Now your asking Barrie,Not really up on this sort of thing sorry

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[alecturn1]

Thanks for replies I had gear box oil changed when I had service done 2 weeks ago. van had historical problems with water in gear box according to paperwork I got with vanGarage reported water in gearbox so something to keep an eye on.

 

[Barriesimpson]

Now your asking Barrie,Not really up on this sort of thing sorry

Well that is the key, plus the torque the engine gives. My Giottiline @ 3500kg with a 140hp Citroen engine copes well on the upward slope in 4th (out of 6) gear. This is why I ask.

 

[Gaston aires]

I had. 1.9 TD same age as yours. Underpowered indeed. I couldn’t live with it. What you are experiencing is normal for those. Someone on here could suggest a remap? I’ve never had one.
Phil

 

[alecturn1]

Well that is the key, plus the torque the engine gives. My Giottiline @ 3500kg with a 140hp Citroen engine copes well on the upward slope in 4th (out of 6) gear. This is why I ask.

90bhp some body has suggested in discussion

 

[Figaro]

I think it's probably as it should be for a large heavy brick shaped motorhome.
My 2.8 jtd at 128bhp doesn't like inclines either and often needs dropping into 4th.
Just learn to accept travel at a slower pace

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[Steve and Denise]

Out of interest the Citrone c25 used the same box

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

Yes it’s a 2002 1.9td model

Then it's definitely underpowered, as was mine. Even with regular servicing.
BUT, what's the rush?
It's a leisure vehicle, and sitting at 60mph tootling along, with some lorries seems fine to me, and changing down and up is no real hardship.
Unless of course you are seriously overloaded on your payload?
Enjoy!

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

I had. 1.9 TD same age as yours. Underpowered indeed. I couldn’t live with it. What you are experiencing is normal for those. Someone on here could suggest a remap? I’ve never had one.
Phil

No remap available I believe as vehicle is too old.
Was told that on our 2001 1.9td Fiat ducato model.

 

[Captain Yoghurtpot]

Not a particularly powerful engine, around 90BHP, so probably running as it should. If the van in your avatar photo is the one, it is not a small van and also pushing that unaerodynamic overcab.

May I advise you to treat the gearbox very kindly, they are fragile with weak 2nd gear synchro. The 5th gear was an add-on to the previous 4 speed box with a poor oil supply. Do not change up into 5th much below 3000rpm. Also consider changing the gearbox oil regularly. Spare parts are hard to find for that gearbox and difficult to find as a complete replacement. Fiat no longer support this gearbox.

if you drive your van as it would have been twenty years ago, slower traffic etc, then all will be well.

Wot he said!

 

[gus-lopez]

90bhp some body has suggested in discussion

I doubt that it is that much as the 1,9 without turbo was only 56bhp.
I'd say it was normal as a former 1,9 non turbo owner and 50mph was normal cruising for that.+hills would be 2nd gear usually.

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[Barriesimpson]

90bhp some body has suggested in discussion

So that would be the performance to expect given the weight of the vehicle. Just take your time my friend.

 

[alecturn1]

Thank you to everyone who has helped I feel a lot happier having this info.Tbh I’m not in a hurry,I’m quite happy tootling along

 

[Mike001]

I saw a sign on the back of a motorhome once.

"If you think this is slow, wait until we get to hill"

Pretty much describes my motorhome. It does make one's self slow down tho (mentaly), which is a good thing.
Whenever I get in to drive, everything seems to change... from the "get it done" to "shrug, when we get there"
Makes it all a lot more pleasant.


Edit: Forgot to add, as long as you pull over when you can to let folks pass they usually are all good.

 

[alecturn1]

I saw a sign on the back of a motorhome once.

"If you think this is slow, wait until we get to hill"

Pretty much describes my motorhome. It does make one's self slow down tho (mentaly), which is a good thing.
Whenever I get in to drive, everything seems to change... from the "get it done" to "shrug, when we get there"
Makes it all a lot more pleasant.


Edit: Forgot to add, as long as you pull over when you can to let folks pass they usually are all good.

Actually believe it or not there is a sticker on back of motorhome saying exactly that