Ferry from UK to Morrocco

[Gellyneck]

I would guess at this service being highly unlikely to survive in the long-term.

If there is sufficient traffic moving to "justify" a service it would be much more cost effective for a shipping line to extend existing container services between Morocco and UK to include operating reefer containers.
Or perhaps a shipping line like Grimaldi adding an additional port call to their Med - Europe service that, from memory already calls in Bristol (that's where a lot of the cars you see there come from) and maybe Southampton.

In addition, once things settle down we'll probably get back to a "transit" type operation that worked effectively pre UK membership (from memory, it was a T1 document that was used).

 

[jongood]

I would guess at this service being highly unlikely to survive in the long-term.

If there is sufficient traffic moving to "justify" a service it would be much more cost effective for a shipping line to extend existing container services between Morocco and UK to include operating reefer containers.
Or perhaps a shipping line like Grimaldi adding an additional port call to their Med - Europe service that, from memory already calls in Bristol (that's where a lot of the cars you see there come from) and maybe Southampton.

In addition, once things settle down we'll probably get back to a "transit" type operation that worked effectively pre UK membership (from memory, it was a T1 document that was used).

I think Fresh is the key word here, unaccompanied trailers can be loaded and unloaded more flexibly and taken straight to DC's. When I think about the pre-brexit journey I wonder if this could be a bit of a revelation.

 

[Sapper520]

I would guess at this service being highly unlikely to survive in the long-term.

If there is sufficient traffic moving to "justify" a service it would be much more cost effective for a shipping line to extend existing container services between Morocco and UK to include operating reefer containers.
Or perhaps a shipping line like Grimaldi adding an additional port call to their Med - Europe service that, from memory already calls in Bristol (that's where a lot of the cars you see there come from) and maybe Southampton.

In addition, once things settle down we'll probably get back to a "transit" type operation that worked effectively pre UK membership (from memory, it was a T1 document that was used).

My son has exported 2 of his cars, via Bristol (Portbury) to Cyprus, on a Ro-Ro service. Booked through a shipping company, drive to the port, book in, check over vehicle to agree any damage, hand over keys and job done.

However, other than the cars equipment (spare tyre / jack etc) you can’t leave anything in the car. He left a set of tools in the boot which were seized at customs in Cyprus.

 

[Gellyneck]

I think Fresh is the key word here, unaccompanied trailers can be loaded and unloaded more flexibly and taken straight to DC's. When I think about the pre-brexit journey I wonder if this could be a bit of a revelation.

I don't deny it may take a little longer in transit however what about all the Fresh produce coming in reefer containers from all over the world? The product is stored, pre-shipment, in reefer warehousing so it just spends this time in similar conditions but on a boat.
As with unaccompanied reefer trailers equivalent containers can be out of the port on similar timeframe.
Unaccompanied trailers need to be offloaded using dedicated port-side units, taken to a temporary storage area pending clearance and collection by a road tractor, same as reefer containers. Is the existing EU transit route accompanied or unaccompanied on the ro-ro legs?
If it wasn't cost effective pre-Brexit it's probably unlikely it will be post-Brexit unless the cost footprint increases, long-term, considerably. Either way there will be a product unit cost increase so the proof of the pudding will be if the end consumer supports this.

 

[Gellyneck]

My son has exported 2 of his cars, via Bristol (Portbury) to Cyprus, on a Ro-Ro service. Booked through a shipping company, drive to the port, book in, check over vehicle to agree any damage, hand over keys and job done.

However, other than the cars equipment (spare tyre / jack etc) you can’t leave anything in the car. He left a set of tools in the boot which were seized at customs in Cyprus.

Would probably have been on the Grimaldi service I mentioned previously.

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[sallylillian]

I wonder how much it will be , but you could treat it as a mini 3 day cruise

UK opens new ferry trade route to BYPASS the EU

PLANS for a new direct shipping route between the UK and Morocco, which bypasses the EU, have been confirmed by Poole Harbour Commissioners.

www.express.co.uk

Sorry did not see this thread, I just searched the Morocco forum for any detail. Maybe Jim could merge my thread to yours?

 

[irnbru]

Sorry did not see this thread, I just searched the Morocco forum for any detail. Maybe Jim could merge my thread to yours?

It’s fine, sometimes happens. When I posted mine I had looked to see if there was one started, never saw one but by the time I’d poured my cuppa and posted, someone else did too.

 

[Gellyneck]

Sorry did not see this thread, I just searched the Morocco forum for any detail. Maybe Jim could merge my thread to yours?

Think there's a third one on the go as well so might be worthwhile incorporating that too. Jim

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

I sent an enquiry to the company re the transport of motorhomes,If I have a response I will post it up.

 

[Ivory55]

I don't deny it may take a little longer in transit however what about all the Fresh produce coming in reefer containers from all over the world? The product is stored, pre-shipment, in reefer warehousing so it just spends this time in similar conditions but on a boat.
As with unaccompanied reefer trailers equivalent containers can be out of the port on similar timeframe.
Unaccompanied trailers need to be offloaded using dedicated port-side units, taken to a temporary storage area pending clearance and collection by a road tractor, same as reefer containers. Is the existing EU transit route accompanied or unaccompanied on the ro-ro legs?
If it wasn't cost effective pre-Brexit it's probably unlikely it will be post-Brexit unless the cost footprint increases, long-term, considerably. Either way there will be a product unit cost increase so the proof of the pudding will be if the end consumer supports this.

If the wind gets up which it does at Felixstowe they stop moving containers. A trailer can still be unloaded and hooked up by a truck and on its way, also where they are thinking of docking in Morocco might not have containers facility.

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[Ivory55]

Also cost wise unloading trailer would be cheaper than crane and containers. Imagine the cost of the crane plus the driver , maintenance etc . Unloading a trailer even I could do. No special equipment needed , a lot cheaper.

 

[DBK]

Because a lot of the fruit and veg we eat comes from Morocco.

Only a tiny proportion compared to what comes from Spain. For 2020 it was 3% of our imports, Spain was 26%.

 

[irnbru]

Going the current way via UK ferry to France, then Spain and lastly to Morocco how much would it cost on average to Tangiers? And how long would it take you on average if you were heading straight there?

 

[bigtree]

Going the current way via UK ferry to France, then Spain and lastly to Morocco how much would it cost on average to Tangiers? And how long would it take you on average if you were heading straight there?

From my house to Algeciras, Sandra.

 

[Ivory55]

Only a tiny proportion compared to what comes from Spain. For 2020 it was 3% of our imports, Spain was 26%.

If it’s cheaper then more might come. Like everything it’s only about the money

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[glenn2926]

Only a tiny proportion compared to what comes from Spain. For 2020 it was 3% of our imports, Spain was 26%.

Came from Spain might be the future phrase. Perhaps we can buy more from Morocco and less from Spain once we have an established ferry route direct to the U.K.
Rather than having all the ferries arrive at one port perhaps we can have fresh produce delivered to various ports around the U.K. Thereby cutting down on road miles and truck journeys.

 

[irnbru]

From my house to Algeciras, Sandra. View attachment 471057

Oh thats useless information not much of a difference of route to me. Now go back and read the Properly.

 

[ambulancekidd]

I bet its more expensive than The Millport Ferry Sandra??

 

[irnbru]

I bet its more expensive than The Millport Ferry Sandra??

No shit sherlock 7 1/2min versus 3 days.

Are you coming for a holiday if it comes to fruition? In fact if I kidnap Gus, Hazel will force you to come n get him.

 

[Ivory55]

Came from Spain might be the future phrase. Perhaps we can buy more from Morocco and less from Spain once we have an established ferry route direct to the U.K.
Rather than having all the ferries arrive at one port perhaps we can have fresh produce delivered to various ports around the U.K. Thereby cutting down on road miles and truck journeys.

May be south and west coast ports as it’s a lot further and time to get round to the east coast. Which might be better as if it’s fresh produce time would come in to it.

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[ambulancekidd]

No shit sherlock 7 1/2min versus 3 days.

Are you coming for a holiday if it comes to fruition? In fact if I kidnap Gus, Hazel will force you to come n get him.

Morocco doesn't appeal to me, but never say never.
We've got CCTV on Gus & Gabby 24/7 to make sure that you don't/can't kidnap them Sandra.
Prevention is better than cure lol.

 

[Robert Clark]

Only a tiny proportion compared to what comes from Spain. For 2020 it was 3% of our imports, Spain was 26%.

Looking to the future a dedicated route to Morocco might open up a trade route to more African countries ?

 

[Ivory55]

If the ships were small enough to get into the smaller ports the dock fees might be cheaper than the likes of Felixstowe.

 

[gus-lopez]

Spain won't like it one bit

most of the Moroccan fruit & veg production is either spanish owned wholly or a joint partner ship with Moroccans. The EU actually provide grants to Morocco for production.

For the truck drivers this should be great. If it cuts down the trip from 6 days down to 3.

they only get 3 days driving now once landed at algeciras. From where I live it is 10 driving hours to Irun, where my neighbours cross, then 12,5 hours to the tunnel.
Start on a sunday down here gives spanish & Moroccans 3 x 10 hour driving days .

That is a lot of diesel and drivers hours/pay cut from the trip.

The ferry cost would far outweigh the diesel

Like you say, its 1000 litres of diesel in a tractor unit from Calais to Cadiz roughly.

roughly 1000€ for the diesel here & even less if it is a Moroccan. The Plymouth >Santander was £800 one way for an artic back in 1984 so to Morocco is going to be a lot dearer.

 

[glenn2926]

most of the Moroccan fruit & veg production is either spanish owned wholly or a joint partner ship with Moroccans. The EU actually provide grants to Morocco for production.

they only get 3 days driving now once landed at algeciras. From where I live it is 10 driving hours to Irun, where my neighbours cross, then 12,5 hours to the tunnel.
Start on a sunday down here gives spanish & Moroccans 3 x 10 hour driving days .



The ferry cost would far outweigh the diesel

roughly 1000€ for the diesel here & even less if it is a Moroccan. The Plymouth >Santander was £800 one way for an artic back in 1984 so to Morocco is going to be a lot dearer.

It’s worth it pay a little more for our fresh produce for numerous reasons.
We, the U.K. could start joint enterprises with local Moroccan producers.
We are less reliant on the EU.
We reduce the amount of road transport required.
Moving goods by sea is considered the cheapest form of transportation.
It would greatly benefit the economy of initially Morocco but could be extended to other northern African countries.
The only losers in this are the EU. We’re not in their club anymore so it doesn’t really matter to us.

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[spitfire]

Or could eat mainly season fruit and veg . Here I get fed up of apples in winter lol

 

[gus-lopez]

Only a tiny proportion compared to what comes from Spain. For 2020 it was 3% of our imports, Spain was 26%.

A fair % of that 'spanish' production,especially tomatoes, could well be from Morocco as the spaniards moved huge amount s of production over there having bought huge amounts of land, just to increase the huge profits they were already making.

In fact if I kidnap Gus,

Having met Sandra I suppose it could be worse.

 

[irnbru]

A fair % of that 'spanish' production,especially tomatoes, could well be from Morocco as the spaniards moved huge amount s of production over there having bought huge amounts of land, just to increase the huge profits they were already making.

Having met Sandra I suppose it could be worse.

Lucky for you it was just the once Wheres Hazel , Robert, Gus n Gabby have had to put up with me more often. I love em really... The dogs I mean

 

[gus-lopez]

It’s worth it pay a little more for our fresh produce for numerous reasons.
We, the U.K. could start joint enterprises with local Moroccan producers.
We are less reliant on the EU.
We reduce the amount of road transport required.
Moving goods by sea is considered the cheapest form of transportation.
It would greatly benefit the economy of initially Morocco but could be extended to other northern African countries.
The only losers in this are the EU. We’re not in their club anymore so it doesn’t really matter to us.

Apart from the fact that most "moroccan " producers are either spanish or inextricably linked to them?
The EU would have a say as they supplied the Moroccans with grant money & the Moroccans are also inextricably linked to the EU.

Moving goods by sea is considered the cheapest form of transportation.

Agree whole heartedly & unaccompanied trailers would be the most beneficial

but could be extended to other northern African countries.

It would be like the magic roundabout. Why keep going around in circles?
Rhodesia , Now Zimbabwe, formerly known as "The Breadbasket of Africa" producers & exporters of tobacco, wheat, corn,etc; to the rest of the world.
Now a net importer of foodstuff from the western countries.

Uganda , another one that held the title now gone the same way-
. South Africa ?
& lastly the Chinese have been pouring money & aid in to the whole region for years ,so they won't be letting anyone else tread on their toes.

 

[DBK]

A fair % of that 'spanish' production,especially tomatoes, could well be from Morocco as the spaniards moved huge amount s of production over there having bought huge amounts of land, just to increase the huge profits they were already making.

I suspect most of the stuff grown in Spain is produced by labour from Africa as well. Documented or otherwise...

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