Euro VI or not that is the question

Pete and Liz

Pete and Liz

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Should I be bothered about the next Motorhome having a Euro VI complaint engine or not ?

Do any of you that have a none Euro VI motorhomes find it impacts their travels across the channel in any way?
 
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And then after euro 7 in a few years there will be a thread on here, Shall I buy euro 7 or full electric? Replies will be saying full electric look at all the places you can’t take your euro 7 now popping up. Your euro 7 will be worthless in a few years you fool why did you waste all that money?

Then in a few years there will be another thread on here, Shall I buy an electric Motorhome or not? The replies will be. Have you seen all the places now popping up where you can’t take any vehicles at all, you’re wasting your money.

I’m sticking with our 2005 3 litre not blindly following some marketing con to sell vehicles which has happened for years.
 
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The more posts I see about Euro 5 and 6 the more I get confused.

My 4500kg Hymer B678 has a Fiat badged Iveco 3 litre Turbo Diesel engine. It is a 2015 model that was delivered to the dealer in December 2014. According to Fiat it is based on the Ducato 290 chassis. I bought it in November 2015 and I am registered as the first owner. There are no emission figures on the V5 and I do not have the CoC.

Checking on line with my registration number I am allowed to go free into all of the LEZs and ULEZs (including London) in the UK. I have a French Yellow Crit Air sticker and a German Green equivalent, both purchased from official websites after I downloaded a copy of my V5.

So, my simple question to the panel is this ........ is my motorhome a Euro 5, 5b or 6?
 
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peterc10 said:
The more posts I see about Euro 5 and 6 the more I get confused.

My 4500kg Hymer B678 has a Fiat badged Iveco 3 litre Turbo Diesel engine. It is a 2015 model that was delivered to the dealer in December 2014. According to Fiat it is based on the Ducato 290 chassis. I bought it in November 2015 and I am registered as the first owner. There are no emission figures on the V5 and I do not have the CoC.

Checking on line with my registration number I am allowed to go free into all of the LEZs and ULEZs (including London) in the UK. I have a French Yellow Crit Air sticker and a German Green equivalent, both purchased from official websites after I downloaded a copy of my V5.

So, my simple question to the panel is this ........ is my motorhome a Euro 5, 5b or 6?
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Peter I'm fairly certain yours is Euro 5+.
I don't know. Why you don't have a C of C as you bought the van new all vehicals since about 2006 have to have one. Might be expensive if you need an Austrian Go box, without a C of C, they charge you the highest rate.
 
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Lenny HB said:
Peter your is Euro 5+.
I don't know. Why you don't have a C of C as you bought the van new all vehicles since about 2006 have to have one. Might be expensive if you need an Austrian Go box, without a C of C, they charge you the highest rate.
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Can't remember being handed the CoC by the dealer, Becks. Could be they lost it as it was with them for 11 months and had been taken to shows and used as a demonstrator on trade plates. Or maybe I just lost it. Becks no longer exist and I keep meaning to get one off of Hymer at their extortionate price, but not got round to it yet.

The reason I asked is because I thought you had to be Euro 6 to be allowed in London's ULEZ free and to get a yellow Crit Air. I have just checked again the London ULEZ website and get the message "You do not need to pay a daily ULEZ charge to drive in the zone, and are helping to improve air quality across London." I am glad I am doing my bit ;) :rofl: :rofl:

So 5b+ gets you in everywhere that 6 does?

PS I have no plans to drive through Austria. I did it towing a caravan 25 years ago and was not impressed. The Austrians are the craftiest people in Europe. After all they have managed to persuade the world that Hitler was German.

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peterc10 said:
So 5b+ gets you in everywhere that 6 does?
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You might need to check the other zones have the same rules. We are currently on the Isle of Wight and the Portsmouth Wight Link Ferry Terminal is within the Portsmouth CAZ. The C of C is needed for registering with the DVLA and my copy has a DVLA stamp on it.
 
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Pausim said:
You might need to check the other zones have the same rules. We are currently on the Isle of Wight and the Portsmouth Wight Link Ferry Terminal is within the Portsmouth CAZ. The C of C is needed for registering with the DVLA and my copy has a DVLA stamp on it.
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Portsmouth uses the same criteria for their Clean Air Zone as all the other English zones, except London. And I have checked and all of them let me in free. That is despite the fact that their website says that only diesel Euro 6 PHGs are free. Hence my question. It seems to me that all the powers to be are treating my motorhome as being Euro 6.

I have just checked into London's criteria for the ULEZ zone and amazingly they state that all Motor Caravans over 3.5t are allowed in the ULEZ for free, but under 3.5t diesel motor caravans and cars have to meet Euro 6 standards to get in free!
 
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The whole thing seems a dog's breakfast. My Compactline is Mar 16 registered and is non AdBlue. I believe it's Euro 5 but qualifies for CritAir2 and Umwelt4. Add in the uncertainty as to when Carthago bought in the engine/chassis prior to the build is anyone's guess and I've no real idea what flavour my engine is.
 
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Almost certain Chassis built after September 2016 is E6.
Ours is May 2016 E5+ whatever the + is.
 
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Fiat didn't move to Adblue until they launched the new Multijet III for Euro 6 FINAL, The Multijet II was fitted with a further DPF for Euro 6 TEMP compliance.

Until late 2016 Peugeot/Citroen used Adblue for Euro 6 TEMP due to their partnership with Ford. For Euro 6 FINAL PSA & Ford went their separate ways for commercial engines. Peugeot designed their 2.2 Blue HDi and Ford designed the Ecoblue.

The subtle differences between the three are that both PSA & Ford decided to incorporate further emission reduction technology to remain compliant whereas Fiat decided to reduce power.

Only the Fiat Multijet III, PSA 2.2 Blue HDi and the Ford Ecoblue are Euro 6 FINAL compliant and will also be suitable for Euro 7.

From 2025 and the introduction of Euro 7 the Euro 6 TEMP engines will be treated the same as Euro 5+

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I am beginning to wish I had't asked the question now :ROFLMAO:, but I have enjoyed the debated learned something.
It did confirm my original thoughts that I should be looking at 2017 + model just to be on the safe side.
Thanks to all that contributed.
 
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I believe the 5+ were not a grade specified but an interim Build especially by Fiat to use up old stock and a tool in the development of the Twin egr E6, but in the nomenclature indicating it was better than a 5. According to Deneb his 5+ has a mixture of 5 and 6 parts. The Fiat twin egr E6 was built sept 16 to sept 19.
 
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My new to me HYMER 544 2002 Moho is about to be driven down to us by friends from Scotland.
I know I probably need a high number Crit’Air sticker, but what happens when you arrive at the port in France with no sticker please ?
 
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Libellula said:
My new to me HYMER 544 2002 Moho is about to be driven down to us by friends from Scotland.
I know I probably need a high number Crit’Air sticker, but what happens when you arrive at the port in France with no sticker please ?
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Nothing, you just need to avoid certain areas of certain cities which are clearly signed and not a problem to avoid.

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peterc10 said:
The more posts I see about Euro 5 and 6 the more I get confused.

My 4500kg Hymer B678 has a Fiat badged Iveco 3 litre Turbo Diesel engine. It is a 2015 model that was delivered to the dealer in December 2014. According to Fiat it is based on the Ducato 290 chassis. I bought it in November 2015 and I am registered as the first owner. There are no emission figures on the V5 and I do not have the CoC.

Checking on line with my registration number I am allowed to go free into all of the LEZs and ULEZs (including London) in the UK. I have a French Yellow Crit Air sticker and a German Green equivalent, both purchased from official websites after I downloaded a copy of my V5.

So, my simple question to the panel is this ........ is my motorhome a Euro 5, 5b or 6?
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Mine is a mid 2016 reg 3ltr and on the CoC it’s a euro5, Lenny HB I don’t think any of the 3ltrs are euro5+ But I’m not 100% certain 👍
 
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Libellula said:
My new to me HYMER 544 2002 Moho is about to be driven down to us by friends from Scotland.
I know I probably need a high number Crit’Air sticker, but what happens when you arrive at the port in France with no sticker please ?
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as said, nothing. just like having no 'UK' sticker or beam benders.
 
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Verteuil Man said:
It also depends on how long you want to keep the vehicle and how much you expect it to devalue. Non Euro 6 vehicles can be picked up for a good price but in a few years time they will be near on worthless.
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Lol worthless really let's wait and see
 
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rb62 said:
No idea 😀 just that there's no charge for the CAZ's,not that I want to go anywhere near them anyway 👍
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Just put my reg in the gov car zone calculator, all free for my euro5!
So does anyone know the difference on a 180bhp 2016 3ltr Euro 5 or 5+

Could it be cos mines auto??
 
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Jonno1103 said:
Fiat didn't move to Adblue until they launched the new Multijet III for Euro 6 FINAL, The Multijet II was fitted with a further DPF for Euro 6 TEMP compliance.
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We had a 2020 2.3 litre 140 bhp Fiat Ducato which was a Euro 6 Temp and used Adblue.
 
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