Euro VI or not that is the question

[Pete and Liz]

Should I be bothered about the next Motorhome having a Euro VI complaint engine or not ?

Do any of you that have a none Euro VI motorhomes find it impacts their travels across the channel in any way?

 

[Brains]

I simply would not buy any less than 2014/Euro 6
thread on the subject here

 

[Brains]

Should I be bothered about the next Motorhome having a Euro VI complaint engine or not ?

Do any of you that have a none Euro VI motorhomes find it impacts their travels across the channel in any way?

Here is a map of the current LEZ zones.
More being added every year.

 

[mikebeaches]

I simply would not buy any less than 2014/Euro 6
thread on the subject here

Our van is mid-2016, but only Euro 5.

 

[Pete and Liz]

I simply would not buy any less than 2014/Euro 6
thread on the subject here

Thanks for that, I didn't find that tread when I searched.

The two vans on my short list one is Euro V 2015 and the other Euro VI 2016 . One Hymer one Cathargo similar spec and £7K different in price.

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[Brains]

Our van is mid-2016, but only Euro 5.

Must have been one of the last to be registered.
I'd presume the base of the van is at least a year older.

The earliest Euro 6's are 2014, and it was policy that everything built after 1 September 2015 was to be Euro 6.

It's important to ensure any van is actually Euro 6, irrespective of the actual registration date.

 

[Brains]

Thanks for that, I didn't find that tread when I searched.

The two vans on my short list one is Euro V 2015 and the other Euro VI 2016 . One Hymer one Cathargo similar spec and £7K different in price.

Whist I'd prefer the Hymer, there is nothing at all wrong with Cathargo.
But I would not even consider the Euro V engine, unless it was considerably cheaper.
(As in, "how much to replace the engine?" cheaper)

 

[mikebeaches]

Must have been one of the last to be registered.
I'd presume the base of the van is at least a year older.

The earliest Euro 6's are 2014, and it was policy that everything built after 1 September 2015 was to be Euro 6.

It's important to ensure any van is actually Euro 6, irrespective of the actual registration date.

Euro 6 appeared in cars well before the Fiat Ducato. All the MHs I've come across manufactured 2015 / 2016 have been Euro 5 - or as Fiat euphemistically and somewhat quaintly described them at the time - 'Euro 5+' (which I think was no more than marketing speak ie our vans are a bit better than Euro 5, but don't meet the requirements to qualify for Euro 6 designation)

Our Jag is older than our van, but it is Euro 6.

 

[Lenny HB]

Must have been one of the last to be registered.
I'd presume the base of the van is at least a year older.

The earliest Euro 6's are 2014, and it was policy that everything built after 1 September 2015 was to be Euro 6.

It's important to ensure any van is actually Euro 6, irrespective of the actual registration date.

First Motorhomes to be produced with Euro 6 was September 2016.

 

[Brains]

Euro 6 appeared in cars well before the Fiat Ducato. All the MHs I've come across manufactured 2015 / 2016 have been Euro 5 - or as Fiat euphemistically described them at the time - 'Euro 5+' (which I think was no more than marketing speak ie our vans are a bit better than Euro 5, but don't meet the requirements to qualify for Euro 6 designation)

Our Jag is older than our van, but it is Euro 6.

I think there was considerable cross over as the manufacturers needed several years to get rid of their stockpiles of engines and also re-tool their production lines for the newer engines.

I seem to remember the manufacturers were intending on using the Euro 5 engines in the non-European markets, but there was pushback as those countries did not want the old more polluting technology either.

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[gus-lopez]

I take no notice & go where i wish.

 

[Brains]

First Motorhomes to be produced with Euro 6 was September 2016.

Interesting.

The AA, RAC etc say that "all" registrations from 1st September 2015 (65 plate) "should" be Euro 6
But I guess that maybe only applies to cars.

I presume van bases that had been completed and out of the factory gates before September 2015 could also still have been Euro 5, but you would have thought than unless they had massive stockpiles of older engines they would all have switched production of Euro 6 many months earlier

 

[the1andonly]

When i bought our 2017 euro 6 in 2018 there were still new euro5 on the forecourt. The salesman was rather peeved when he said it was a Euro6 and i said prove it (show me the data). My purchase then was for my motorhome to have its forever home no intention to replace it so spent plenty of time deciding. No way would i concider any thing else now as things are moving on. But your choice, buy "cheap" now and sell for peanuts in 3-5 years.
Ps i think my van came out of fiat Nov 16.

 

[Tonks]

If I were changing my van, I'd only go for a Euro6 van. Restrictions are only likely to get wider and more stringent.
But I'm not likely to be changing my Euro5 van for the foreseeable future.

 

[WESTY66]

Mine mid 2016 and euro5


Then again it is the superior 3.0L

No adblu to faff with either

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[the1andonly]

I suspect the cut off date for peugeot citroen Euro5 to 6 could be "blended" as the difference was a relatively simple addition of Adblu. The transition of the Fiat engine went through a 5+ version that was 5 with some 6 part numbers. The 6 was a significantly different engine (well block/head is same) with change of all add on bits ECU twin egr etc (and gearbox except 130 manual). The transition of fiat to adblu is also facinating as it not a simple borrow the peugeot engine and system but a totally "new" engine. based on a older Jeep engine capable of being fitted to the autobox (unlike peugeot) (Dpf now at front and no dipstick)

 

[Verteuil Man]

Should I be bothered about the next Motorhome having a Euro VI complaint engine or not ?

Do any of you that have a none Euro VI motorhomes find it impacts their travels across the channel in any way?

It also depends on how long you want to keep the vehicle and how much you expect it to devalue. Non Euro 6 vehicles can be picked up for a good price but in a few years time they will be near on worthless.

 

[bobandjanie]

Ours is a 2017 2.3 fiat ducato, when we purchased it in Germany the choice was euro 6 that we went for, or 5+ but the important thing for us was not requiring add blue, and reading posts I'm glad we don't have it. Bob.

 

[BikerGraham]

Ours is a 2017 2.3 fiat ducato, when we purchased it in Germany the choice was euro 6 that we went for, or 5+ but the important thing for us was not requiring add blue, and reading posts I'm glad we don't have it. Bob.

A euro VI without ad blue is now like winning the lottery

 

[dunnah01]

Should I be bothered about the next Motorhome having a Euro VI complaint engine or not ?

Do any of you that have a none Euro VI motorhomes find it impacts their travels across the channel in any way?

We're Euro 4 and over 3500kg and it's not an issue on the european mainland. We have a Crit Air and Umveltplakette to allow travel through most French and German cities. Never saw anything in Italy so probably not as widespread as I feared. UK is becoming a nightmare and takes more planning.

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[pagey]

Mine was built in Dec 2016 and registered in uk 3/2017

 

[Stealaway]

A euro VI without ad blue is now like winning the lottery

My 2018 / registered Nov 2019 is Euro 6.
I'm so grateful that it is pre Add blue.
It has a rubber blanking bung but no filler or tank

 

[Blofeld]

Note that not all Euro 6 engines are equal because of the VW corrupt practices which gamed the system. While the percentages in the standard itself have not changed the method of testing has and this was reflected in the logbook entry from 2018. That allows any government to play tax games when they want to lean on diesel vehicle drivers.

If you have Euro 6AJ, 6AK, 6AL, 6AM, 6AN, 6AO, 6AP, 6AQ or 6AR in your V5C then you are compliant with the latest version of the standard known as Euro 6d

 

[Pausim]

First Motorhomes to be produced with Euro 6 was September 2016.

My 2015 registered Mercedes Hymer was EuroVI with AdBlue.

 

[stevewagner]

My last Carthago was April 2015 and Euro VI

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[Ernesto]

Those who own Euro 5 or earlier will tell you it’s no big deal. It is unarguable that owning a Euro 6 will be easier and cheaper, but in the grand scheme of motorhome costs, I’d suggest its not the biggest issue

it’s a negotiating point on the Euro 5 but don’t let it affect the big issues around buying used …condition, layout, payload and service history

 

[Lenny HB]

My 2018 / registered Nov 2019 is Euro 6.
I'm so grateful that it is pre Add blue.
It has a rubber blanking bung but no filler or tank

But it has twin EGR valves which can be more problematical.
Touch wood not had any problems with mine I think it's more likely that low mileage vans suffer with the problems.

 

[Crazylegs]

Euro 7 Diesel engines should start to appear next year as they become the final standard. All vehicles petrol or diesel will have to meet this standard by 1st July 2025, if I was in the position to buy new( which sadly I’m not) I would delay my purchase until they become available, just in case those in control of the low emission zones change the rules.

 

[royw]

mine is 2014 merc 3L and is euro 6 pilot 783 it has adbliu

 

[Brains]

Euro 7 Diesel engines should start to appear next year as they become the final standard. All vehicles petrol or diesel will have to meet this standard by 1st July 2025, if I was in the position to buy new( which sadly I’m not) I would delay my purchase until they become available, just in case those in control of the low emission zones change the rules.

From what we are seeing in the thread above, they will still be selling Euro VI engined motorhomes well into 2027.
It would appear that the commercial buyers wont touch them, but the motorhome builders can take them, build them up and flog them a year or two later

You would have tought the larger Motorhome companies would be selling 'Euro7' vehicles for delivery next year now.

IF (big 'if') I was in the market for a new motorhome today, which I know I would not be taking delivery of until end of 2024 at the earliest (whatever the salesman promises)
I'd be insisting on Euro 7, otherwise the deal is off.