EU Visa free for 3 month after Brexit

[klaatu]

And the company I was with made a SERIOUS amount of money out of the whole Y2K non-issue!

That’s terrible. But I guess there will always be fraudsters taking advantage of any situation. Fortunately there were also honest companies fixing the real, actual, genuine Y2K issues.

 

[maxi77]

@Chesire

if you are resident in the Country that makes sense, but for those of us who are residents of the UK and live in Europe for 5 months + each year it doesn’t apply.

We spend almost half the year and almost half of our disposable income in France.

The loss of income for France will not cripple their economy but every little helps.

We have come to the conclusion that, if we have to sell up, we will spend more time in the U.K.

Our money will then help the British economy. It’s not exactly what we want but we will, as always, do what is necessary.

Technicaly if you are there for more than ninety days you should register.

 

[tuscancouple]

That’s terrible. But I guess there will always be fraudsters taking advantage of any situation. Fortunately there were also honest companies fixing the real, actual, genuine Y2K issues.

You've misunderstood. As a global s/w company we made sure our products had much testing to ensure there were going to be no Y2K problems. However the press made sure, through doom and gloom spreading, that many companies took out unnecessary cover "just in case". Hence what we all see happening now over B.

Mick

 

[EX51SSS]

Have you been talking to my wife?

That’s exactly the comparison she uses having been threatened with catastrophic loss of medical records owing to 2YK.

It caused me problems too. I spent the Millenium Eve in our Fire Service Control and despatch Room waiting for all the systems to crash at midnight.

In the event we experienced electronic communication failure on the turn-out system for three fire stations out of a total of 52. This was rectified within three hours.

The doom merchant computer “experts” must have made a fortune on the run up to year 2000.

Apparently it will definitely happen at 3k

 

[maison]

Technicaly if you are there for more than ninety days you should register.

Correct. But it has never been enforced within The Schengen area.

We are guilty. Together with several hundred thousand others.

The law may be one thing but, when it comes to economics, it may be be different.

We definitely hope so. However, like France can survive without us, we can survive without France.

It’s just a shame that, with the way things are going, it could be a “lose/lose” situation.

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[maxi77]

Correct. But it has never been enforced within The Schengen area.

We are guilty. Together with several hundred thousand others.

The law may be one thing but, when it comes to economics, it may be be different.

We definitely hope so. However, like France can survive without us, we can survive without France.

It’s just a shame that, with the way things are going, it could be a “lose/lose” situation.

But that is what you voted for

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Apparently it will definitely happen at 3k
View attachment 281012

I will start worrying now

Now,for £30 cash, I will worry on your behalf as well

 

[EX51SSS]

I will start worrying now

Now,for £30 cash, I will worry on your behalf as well

 

[MisterB]

Technicaly if you are there for more than ninety days you should register.

from the page it looks as though at present we dont need to register but may have to after the deed is done
it doesn't look too onerous - I wonder how much 'enforcement' there will be of the process ??
I think it will be sorted in such a way that allows irish people to enter the UK (northern Ireland) - how many people from Ireland enter the UK (northern Ireland ) every day for work then return etc - I am damn sure the issue was resolved before we joined the EU and will be when we leave

https://france-visas.gouv.fr/en_US/web/france-visas/long-stay-visa

 

[Paddywack]

it doesn't look too onerous - I wonder how much 'enforcement' there will be of the process ??


https://france-visas.gouv.fr/en_US/web/france-visas/long-stay-visa

Well given the tales of antipodean folks being fined and having their passports stamped denying further access for upto three years, I think it's a chance I'd rather not take.

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[MisterB]

Well given the tales of antipodean folks being fined and having their passports stamped denying further access for upto three years, I think it's a chance I'd rather not take.

yes, but that's because they all have criminal family backgrounds .....

 

[PaulW2]

Don’t panic, remember when aeroplanes were going to fall out of the sky at midnight as the year 2000 came in. This World is full of doom merchants and sad sods.

In that case there was no one on the “other” side of the problem. In that case you were essentially dealing with an engineering problem. Now you are dealing with an intractable neighbourhood dispute. People are stupid, bloody minded and short sighted in a way that systems aren’t.

 

[MisterB]

In that case there was no one on the “other” side of the problem. In that case you were essentially dealing with an engineering problem. Now you are dealing with an intractable neighbourhood dispute. People are stupid, bloody minded and short sighted in a way that systems aren’t.

and some of them also hijack a thread so it becomes a list of posts with nothing to do with the title of the post ...

 

[ceejayt]

It looks unlikely as things stand. There are visas available for long stays but they are for specific reasons like students, work etc. I've met Australians and US folk who were only limited to three months in any six. The same rules will apply to us unless some sort of agreement is struck.

And of course, your passport will now be stamped on entry and exit so they will know - pain in the wotsit

 

[PaulW2]

and some of them also hijack a thread so it becomes a list of posts with nothing to do with the title of the post ...

Whereas my post is 100% on topic of course. Someone in the EU says we will do visa free travel if you reciprocate. So what does the PM do next? Does she allow visa free travel? And what does Parliament then say? And what does Barnier do? Unlike say Y2K no one really knows.

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[MisterB]

well, we agree on one thing

 

[Nigel Tate]

We already know. It was.

From personal experience, I can tell you that without a lot of work done to fix actual Y2K problems in computer code, there would have been serious issues with computer systems run by the DSS, Inland Revenue, the NHS, the AA, several major banks and building societies, and the list goes on. That’s just the systems that I was personally involved with.

You could have left the Inland Revenue, surely?

 

[Jaws]

I don’t mean any disrespect to you, personally.

However, how many home computers failed because of 2YK?

None of my friends or colleagues had any problems with PC’s, despite the dire predictions.

Business computers were upgraded, as were ours, because of the fear of failure.

Yes, much was done to “alleviate” the perceived problems. The fact that hundreds of thousands of pounds were spent replacing computer systems is indisputable.

Whether or not it was necessary we will never know. Once the system had been replaced there was no way to know what would have happened if the “old” systems had been retained.

Your quoted systems may well have required upgrades. I know how much it cost my Fire Service to upgrade. Some of our IT department insisted an upgrade was necessary, some disagreed. Because of the nature of an emergency service we decided that we couldn’t take the chance.

Even after the event the IT department were still divided on whether or not it was necessary.

Of course nothing happened with the y2k bug
People like me and god knows how many thousands worked for months before the event to ensure it did not happen.
I have no idea how many home pc’s were affected but certainly all the 286’s and a great many 386’s were affected. Their clocks did not go past 1999.

If the sodding government had been half as diligent as IT workers around the world had been, and got their bloody job done and their noses out of the EU trough for the past two years AND bowed down to the morons who like Traitor Corblimy removed Mays ONLY card, we would not be looking at the potential total balls up we are now facing

 

[Casper46]

If UK property owners in France (who spend 5/6 months in France) take French residency, what position will they be in with regards to spending 5/6 months in UK. Will they then get to the border to be told they can only stay for a set length of time, and will they need visas.
I am confused, as being French residents they will still have UK passports.
I accept that I am asking how long is a piece of string, as the general public are being treated like mushrooms, but has anyone asked the question.

 

[Larby]

If UK property owners in France (who spend 5/6 months in France) take French residency, what position will they be in with regards to spending 5/6 months in UK. Will they then get to the border to be told they can only stay for a set length of time, and will they need visas.
I am confused, as being French residents they will still have UK passports.
I accept that I am asking how long is a piece of string, as the general public are being treated like mushrooms, but has anyone asked the question.

Or does anyone have the answer?

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[AXO66]

If UK property owners in France (who spend 5/6 months in France) take French residency, what position will they be in with regards to spending 5/6 months in UK. Will they then get to the border to be told they can only stay for a set length of time, and will they need visas.
I am confused, as being French residents they will still have UK passports.
I accept that I am asking how long is a piece of string, as the general public are being treated like mushrooms, but has anyone asked the question.

also the Brits with Irish relatives will be able to move around , stay as long as they like and work without any real hassle and curtailments .

I would like my government to ensure my family can as well ,please.

 

[maxi77]

Or does anyone have the answer?

I cannot speak for France but my Portguese residency allows me to stay in Portugal for five years before I need to convert it from temporary to permanent. I can also get onto the local health system with what is in effect a permanent EHIC. I still keep my British passport so can return whenever I like, still get health care in the UK, still vote etc etc. I believe the French system is similar and several prominent Brexiteers are understood to have been granted residency in France

 

[Hilewaychile]

Have you been talking to my wife?

That’s exactly the comparison she uses having been threatened with catastrophic loss of medical records owing to 2YK.

It caused me problems too. I spent the Millenium Eve in our Fire Service Control and despatch Room waiting for all the systems to crash at midnight.

In the event we experienced electronic communication failure on the turn-out system for three fire stations out of a total of 52. This was rectified within three hours.

The doom merchant computer “experts” must have made a fortune on the run up to year 2000.

Yes, they did. Young friends of mine - they were not the doom merchants - were commissioned by major UK corporations to fettle software for 2kY and were rolling in dosh. One lad was sensible with it. He bought a couple of houses in Swansea every 3 months or so

 

[Hilewaychile]

"But anyone planning to drive to Portugal would need a 1949 version IDP for Spain, and possibly a 1968 version if they intend to drive through France."
What happens if you are already driving around Europe should March 28th bring about No Deal Brexit...I cant imagine that the authorities demand that you park up on the side of the road until you manage to purchase the new/proposed documents from the UK and then to get it delivered to a postbox nearby or would you have to buy one from the authorities of the country that you are driving through ?

These docs are bought in your home country. If the above scenario is a possibility for you, why not just buy them anyway, before leaving UK? They're good for 12 months, I believe.

 

[Hilewaychile]

I cannot speak for France but my Portguese residency allows me to stay in Portugal for five years before I need to convert it from temporary to permanent. I can also get onto the local health system with what is in effect a permanent EHIC. I still keep my British passport so can return whenever I like, still get health care in the UK, still vote etc etc. I believe the French system is similar and several prominent Brexiteers are understood to have been granted residency in France

That's not what Casper46 asked "If UK property owners in France (who spend 5/6 months in France) take French residency, what position will they be in with regards to spending 5/6 months in UK"

I have already been in that situation, potentially. The only reason it was no more than 'potential' was that I had not done what I was legally obliged to do - register as a resident in Spain because I had been in the country for more than 90 days.

But if I had followed the rules and reg as res in Sp, by spending more than 90 days back in UK, which I did, I would have had to re-reg as a res of UK. Such is the dottiness of this system when it comes to people like me and anyone else who is free to come and go as they please, rules and regs aside.

I think one would be better off reg as res in the EU country and have a Brit passport., full command of the language, a UK property and track record, than the other way round, should the Jobsworths start asking questions.

Tho' once reg as res in the EU country the vehicle would have to be re-reg as well ...

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[Hilewaychile]

yes, but that's because they all have criminal family backgrounds .....

True. There is a branch of my family in Oz founded by a man from Norton Fitzwarren, Somerset, transported to Botany Bay in the early 19C for stealing a sheep from a big estate on the edge of Exmoor.

 

[Hilewaychile]

I cannot speak for France but my Portguese residency allows me to stay in Portugal for five years before I need to convert it from temporary to permanent. I can also get onto the local health system with what is in effect a permanent EHIC. I still keep my British passport so can return whenever I like, still get health care in the UK, still vote etc etc. I believe the French system is similar and several prominent Brexiteers are understood to have been granted residency in France

"I still keep my British passport so can return whenever I like" Correct - and you can be out of the country you are reg in for up to two years without losing residency.

 

[MisterB]

True. There is a branch of my family in Oz founded by a man from Norton Fitzwarren, Somerset, transported to Botany Bay in the early 19C for stealing a sheep from a big estate on the edge of Exmoor.

I wondered why there were so many sheep in Australia !

 

[nicholsong]

True. There is a branch of my family in Oz founded by a man from Norton Fitzwarren, Somerset, transported to Botany Bay in the early 19C for stealing a sheep from a big estate on the edge of Exmoor.

Wel at least he had some meat for the long sea journey

 

[maxi77]

That's not what Casper46 asked "If UK property owners in France (who spend 5/6 months in France) take French residency, what position will they be in with regards to spending 5/6 months in UK"

I have already been in that situation, potentially. The only reason it was no more than 'potential' was that I had not done what I was legally obliged to do - register as a resident in Spain because I had been in the country for more than 90 days.

But if I had followed the rules and reg as res in Sp, by spending more than 90 days back in UK, which I did, I would have had to re-reg as a res of UK. Such is the dottiness of this system when it comes to people like me and anyone else who is free to come and go as they please, rules and regs aside.

I think one would be better off reg as res in the EU country and have a Brit passport., full command of the language, a UK property and track record, than the other way round, should the Jobsworths start asking questions.

Tho' once reg as res in the EU country the vehicle would have to be re-reg as well ...

I did say you can go back as much as you like for as long as you like as long as you have your UK passport, which is what I said. Your residency does the same for you in your other country. As far as the vehicle is concerned technically after 6 months it needs to be re-registered. Enforcement of this has been lax in Portugal but the GNR are paying more attention to it now, and are starting to catch up on people with non payment fines for motorway tolls and parking fines. One person we know had a thousand euros to pay to get his car back.

As far as losing your right to come and go as you please that is a direct result of Brexit and the policies of our prime minister

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