ETIAS & third country passport holder travelling with Schengen passport holder

[Nigel Crompton]

I think there are funsters, British passport holders, who travel with partners who are Schengen passport holders. This permits the 'third country' passport holder to bypass the 90/180 rules.

Once ETIAS is implemented, unless this situation has been factored in, the computer klaxon is likely to go off.

Anyone know if, and what, arrangements will be in place to allow a 'third country' passport holder back in Schengen with a Schengen passport holder, when the former has used the 90/180 allowance?

Hmmm ...

(asking for a friend)

 

[helen peters]

7 minutes, they are talking nonsense, to put it politely!! So parents with three kids in a car will be able to get through in 7 minutes. I'm usually a optimistic sort of bloke, but this sounds like chaos will reign. What about a coach load of our elderly citizens with mobility issues, or anybody with mobility issues come to that? I think the best plan will be to travel on the tunnel/ferry in the middle of the night at off peak times.

We do that already….leave home at midnight, drive 3 hours to tunnel and cross in early morning….never been a problem with anything and no queues at all. Just feel knackered for a day afterwards!

 

[Orion]

I guess worst case we will need to carry a copy of previous travel tickets to prove we were with spouse….and be prepared to argue your case!

See my post #43 above.

The information regarding partnership status should be included in your digital EU entry/exit record - hopefully!

 

[gus-lopez]

If you are right, is that not going to significantly deter EU tourists from visiting UK, if they have long queues to return to EU?

I would expect so.
I really cannot see in what way it can ever work at Dover.Dover is a "just in tiime" port & has been for the last 40 years. Slightest problem & it becomes gridlocked & a shambles.

You expect queues at passport control, it happens everywhere.

No sorry I certainly don't .
Last time I flew , in 2005 in to Bristol, I lost the plot completely in the passport scanning queue,all the eu citizens had long gone travelling on ID cards, whilst all the brit passport holders where still being ****ed about after nearly an hour with tat that wasn't working that I was "escorted out of the airport ,passport manually checked" Saved me about another 90 minutes as that was what it was looking like.Hope it works better now.

 

[nicholsong]

What I do not understand is why there are not RTIAS processing points well away from ports and airports.

I think you can do the US visa-waiver process in advance, so why not ETIAS?

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[Saucer]

I have an Irish passport but we didn’t get my better half one back in the days when it would have been a doddle (through marriage).
Since Brexit it’s fine coming into the UK, where EU passports are in the same queues. Going through Europe (which we have done a lot, via air, ferry and tunnel) it’s more complicated. Nobody on border frontiers in France, Germany or Greece seemed to have any interest in the fact that the rules are meant to be different for those travelling with EU citizens. So whatever the rules I think exceeding the 90/180 shengen limit is going to be a real headache probably best avoided.

 

[Carpmart]

I have an Irish passport but we didn’t get my better half one back in the days when it would have been a doddle (through marriage).
Since Brexit it’s fine coming into the UK, where EU passports are in the same queues. Going through Europe (which we have done a lot, via air, ferry and tunnel) it’s more complicated. Nobody on border frontiers in France, Germany or Greece seemed to have any interest in the fact that the rules are meant to be different for those travelling with EU citizens. So whatever the rules I think exceeding the 90/180 shengen limit is going to be a real headache probably best avoided.

Unfortunately marriage has never enabled spouses to receive a passport, it’s always been based on residency (with marriage) in the Emerald Isle.

I’ve exceeded the 90/180 limit four times, soon to be five times and had no issues yet! My wife was born in Ireland and has always held an Irish passport.

 

[Saucer]

I beg to differ. It was relatively straightforward up to 2004 to do so until the law was amended. If you’re interested in the details you’ll find it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_nationality_law

 

[Carpmart]

I beg to differ. It was relatively straightforward up to 2004 to do so until the law was amended. If you’re interested in the details you’ll find it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_nationality_law

Okay, I shall modify my response slightly then…. I was referencing more practical and recent history.

Since 1984 it’s not been available. (40 years!). assuming one had applied and not been granted citizenship through marriage (before Dec 1984) then theoretically you had up to 2004 to complete the process you started 20 years earlier.

So, to all intents and purpose, marriage and residency is the only way that a spouse can acquire citizenship…. well in the last forty years anyway!

 

[Saucer]

My understanding is based on the position before the law was changed through the Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act 2001, that became effective in 2002. https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/accept-irish-citizenship-while-you-may-1.472859
For us that would have been a doddle, practical for us but not people married after 2005.

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[Nigel Crompton]

I think you said Schengen passport holders when in fact it’s any EU passport holders, like me, with an Irish passport.

Schengen is more than EU, and it seemed Eire will be included:
"Most EU countries are within the Schengen Area except Ireland and Cyprus which will soon be part of it. Additionally, several non-EU countries like Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, and Lichtenstein are integral members despite their non-EU status"

 

[CAB96]

Schengen is more than EU, and it seemed Eire will be included:
"Most EU countries are within the Schengen Area except Ireland and Cyprus which will soon be part of it. Additionally, several non-EU countries like Norway, Iceland, Switzerland, and Lichtenstein are integral members despite their non-EU status"

Where was that quote from?

Unlikely that Ireland will be a part of Schengen any time soon, at least not until the North votes for reunification.

 

[Bailey58]

Where was that quote from?

Unlikely that Ireland will be a part of Schengen any time soon, at least not until the North votes for reunification.

Perhaps there should have been a comma after Ireland?