Economic illegal migrants warning

[MANGOFORTH]

What about Scottish, Welsh and NI OAPs or are they left to fend for themselves under your approach as they presumably haven't worked at all?

I think the migrants are heading to England. They'd probably be better off in their home countries than in Scotland or Wales.......

 

[Allanm]

I kno w an illegal when I see one , and there was a group of at least six , all huddling behind the concrete barriers just waiting for the opportunity .

Ah, you didn’t mention there were a group of them. They must have been up to no good then.

 

[busby]

I have met a few coming off the back of lorries. All are desperate, none are in great spirits and certainly none are coming to the UK for a great time. I can say all have been polite and grateful.

Dumping them on a beach is so 1939......

Agree,,they are no threat regarding violence,,,always smiling and apologetic when confronted..This mass migration has gone on for thousands of years..Must be desperate people but unfortunately UK is so overcrowded as it is.You really have to feel sorry for them.You can't choose where you are born.BUSBY.

 

[raysalaugh]

‘ I was off guard and forgot to lock mh whilst I was inside listening to radio I dozed off ?

Are you sure you weren't given a general anesthetic.

 

[dickydo]

Allanm, Thank goodness for a sensible post!!

About time

Reading a lot of the previous posts just make me feel very embarrassed and very sad

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[The general]

Allanm, Thank goodness for a sensible post!!

About time

Reading a lot of the previous posts just make me feel very embarrassed and very sad

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[PeteH]

You don’t know the background of these people. Don’t assume they are all after a free ride.

AND not only do I not know. I do NOT bloody care, IF they want to be here, Get a Visa and proper papers, then apply and If you do that and are successful, I have no issue. Every Illegal should be thrown back to his last place of departure.

However what I really took umbrage at was the Flippant remark about 1939. Which, whilst the poster got the Date wrong was an obvious reference to the beaches of Dunkirk. "WE" the UK, lost a lot of very brave men at Dunkirk. Regardless of the background of these so called migrants. It was Offensive!. When I was Born, Great Britain was still fighting the NAZI war machine.

I VERY nearly reported it, It is an affront to to the memories of My ancestors.

 

[Gromett]

I think the government has the right idea on this front. We should reject everyone we can who are economic migrants which is basically all of them.
But at the same time we should be providing financial and resource aid in the source countries to improve the situation there to reduce the need for them to take the dangerous journey.

Fixing the problem that causes the migration seems to me to be a better solution than to open the doors. Rescuing them from the sea and giving them the right to apply for asylum only encourages more to take the trip. You only have to see what happened when Merkel opened the door to Germany.

If we were to send everyone back, the river would slow to a trickle as news got around that we are not allowing illegal immigrants in. If they want to apply, they should apply in the country they come from or the nearest "safe" country.

It's probably not as simple as I am thinking. But it has to be a lot better than the shitty system we have now that is causing lots of problems both for UK citizens and the large numbers of deaths. There is also the fact that these people if not registered and legal when they get here are not able to work in the regular economy and end up abused in the black economy. So not good for them either.

 

[Louis]

I think the migrants are heading to England. They'd probably be better off in their home countries than in Scotland or Wales.......

That's also what what we tell the English migrants ??

 

[Allanm]

AND not only do I not know. I do NOT bloody care, IF they want to be here, Get a Visa and proper papers, then apply and If you do that and are successful, I have no issue. Every Illegal should be thrown back to his last place of departure.

However what I really took umbrage at was the Flippant remark about 1939. Which, whilst the poster got the Date wrong was an obvious reference to the beaches of Dunkirk. "WE" the UK, lost a lot of very brave men at Dunkirk. Regardless of the background of these so called migrants. It was Offensive!. When I was Born, Great Britain was still fighting the NAZI war machine.

I VERY nearly reported it, It is an affront to to the memories of My ancestors.

What a nice attitude.

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[Brains]

Glass Houses ....... etc.

Where does your surname, or the surnames of your grandparents originate from ?
In North Western Europe there are very few of us that originate locally.

Here in England, many many people have French, German, Scottish, Welsh, Irish surnames names within the last 3 or 4 generations.

Bloody economic migrants the lot of 'em, send 'em all back 'ome !

Most (all?) N W European countries, UK included, have at various times 'ethnically cleansed' their country to get rid of migrants, many of whom had been resident for generations.

Probably the classic one being the Spanish who chucked out anyone with a Moreish surname, many of who could trace back the family as being Spanish residents for over 700 years.
Imagine if a future nationalist government chucked out anyone with a name starting Mac... or O'..., despite the family being in the England since early 1300's

Farage will be top of the list as he has non-British/economic-migrant great grand parents on both sides.

 

[Sandancers]

Glass Houses ....... etc.

Where does your surname, or the surnames of your grandparents originate from ?
In North Western Europe there are very few of us that originate locally.

Here in England, many many people have French, German, Scottish, Welsh, Irish surnames names within the last 3 or 4 generations.

Bloody economic migrants the lot of 'em, send 'em all back 'ome !

Most (all?) N W European countries, UK included, have at various times 'ethnically cleansed' their country to get rid of migrants, many of whom had been resident for generations.

Probably the classic one being the Spanish who chucked out anyone with a Moreish surname, many of who could trace back the family as being Spanish residents for over 700 years.
Imagine if a future nationalist government chucked out anyone with a name starting Mac... or O'..., despite the family being in the England since early 1300's

Farage will be top of the list as he has non-British/economic-migrant great grand parents on both sides.

Go on then, when did the UK "ethnically cleanse" migrants ?

We didn't manage it with the Vikings, they either stayed or left on their own.

Certainly never managed it with the Romans.

 

[Silver-Fox]

The government has despatched migrants all over the country, sometimes to quite small communes, and they find it hard to integrate especially in some of the very rural communities which aren't used to 'foreigners

So they are racists as that is what would be levelled at anyone living here would be called.

 

[Brains]

Go on then, when did the UK "ethnically cleanse" migrants ?

We didn't manage it with the Vikings, they either stayed or left on their own.

Certainly never managed it with the Romans.

Google 'Edict of Expulsion'

 

[Sandancers]

Google 'Edict of Expulsion'

Interesting read, was not aware of that. It appears that about 2,000 Jews were "encouraged" to leave England in 1290. Mainly so the Nobles could get their hands on the dosh owned by the Jews.

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[Brains]

Go on then, when did the UK "ethnically cleanse" migrants ?

We didn't manage it with the Vikings, they either stayed or left on their own.

Certainly never managed it with the Romans.

For some more reading on English Ethnic Cleansing you can also google the "Irish Plantations" which is classed not only as Ethnic Cleansing but also genocide.

Then for a little light reading google the 'Highland Clearances'

Other things worth reading which were decided by the British Government of the day, but did not take place in the British Isles would be the occupants of Diego Garcia, the American Indians of New England and the Partition of India.

 

[AXO66]

Go on then, when did the UK "ethnically cleanse" migrants ?

We didn't manage it with the Vikings, they either stayed or left on their own.

Certainly never managed it with the Romans.

And What about the French taking over in 1066?

 

[Brains]

And What about the French taking over in 1066?

Ahhhh yes, the 'Harrying of the North'
Another proud bit of 'English' genocide

However you could argue that it was invasion.
Initially, in 1066 I don't think there was ethnic cleansing (unless you happened to be a Saxon member of the landed gentry and objected to your land being 'liberated' for the greater good.)

Remember King Harold and William the Conqueror were related. William did have a legitimate, if tenuous, claim on the throne, so not everyone objected in the south.
However many of the nobles in the North had been hoping that the earlier 1066 King Harold vs King Harald fixture had gone the other way (King Harald Hardrada was also related to King Harold Goodwinson, and also had a claim on the throne)

The genocide up north happened a few years later. The population did not fully recover until Victorian times.

 

[busby]

Glass Houses ....... etc.

Where does your surname, or the surnames of your grandparents originate from ?
In North Western Europe there are very few of us that originate locally.

Here in England, many many people have French, German, Scottish, Welsh, Irish surnames names within the last 3 or 4 generations.

Bloody economic migrants the lot of 'em, send 'em all back 'ome !

Most (all?) N W European countries, UK included, have at various times 'ethnically cleansed' their country to get rid of migrants, many of whom had been resident for generations.

Probably the classic one being the Spanish who chucked out anyone with a Moreish surname, many of who could trace back the family as being Spanish residents for over 700 years.
Imagine if a future nationalist government chucked out anyone with a name starting Mac... or O'..., despite the family being in the England since early 1300's

Farage will be top of the list as he has non-British/economic-migrant great grand parents on both sides.

So true,,remember a program on telly a few years ago and a very verbal 'racist guy going on about black people,,when he had his ,DNA tested it showed black ancestry not going back many generations..BUSBY.

 

[bigalw35]

What about Scottish, Welsh and NI OAPs or are they left to fend for themselves under your approach as they presumably haven't worked at all?

Please accept my apologies I should have said British (rather than English)

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[bigalw35]

If Mr Corbyn gets the top job in December you'll need to worry about them on THIS side of the channel wanting to get out

With a bit off luck, not Corbin that is !

 

[Euro330]

Absolutely. Look after our OAP’s first, then there’s so many other ENGLISH people/causes that not only need money, but they’ve worked all their life for it

ENGLISH! Possibly your shallow minded comment should have at least read `British`.
Reminds me of that complete biggot football commentator from the 70`s/80`s , Jimmy Hill, when football hooliganism was rife in England, oops sorry Britain.
If English fans were responsible he would condem `British` football fans. If Scottish fans were responsible he would get it right and condem `Scottish` fans or Welsh and Irish .
I am not really an SNP fan or devolution but that kind of comment really grips my ---t

 

[bigalw35]

Interesting read, was not aware of that. It appears that about 2,000 Jews were "encouraged" to leave England in 1290. Mainly so the Nobles could get their hands on the dosh owned by the Jews.

Having travelled quite a bit, I’m not totally sure, BUT, I seem to remember a sort of grave stone in a Norfolk park/cemetery noting the expulsion of the Jews with a stone

 

[Jim]

ENGLISH! Possibly your shallow minded comment should have at least read `British`.
Reminds me of that complete biggot football commentator from the 70`s/80`s , Jimmy Hill, when football hooliganism was rife in England, oops sorry Britain.
If English fans were responsible he would condem `British` football fans. If Scottish fans were responsible he would get it right and condem `Scottish` fans or Welsh and Irish .
I am not really an SNP fan or devolution but that kind of comment really grips my ---t

you should not get upset by such stuff. It’s very common for English people to say England when they mean Britain. They are not being disrespectful to any other nation. just thoughtless rather than shallow minded.

 

[weejocky]

I am not really an SNP fan or devolution but that kind of comment really grips my ---t

Understandable, a slip like that It will upset anyone with an anti-English chip on their shoulder

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[MisterB]

Why do they want to come to the UK so much?

Better benefits that other EU countries?
Families here?
Language?
Weather?

They obviously see the UK as a better economic benefit that where they have travelled through. So, do we toughen up our system to dissuade them?

As a discussion starting point, perhaps benefits should be paid at the same rate as they are entitled to in their own country, its not about denying someone benefits, its about limiting it to what they are entitled to in their own country. Would that dissuade some of them?

of course if you cant identify their own country to award benefits, then they dont get any !

 

[Euro330]

Understandable, a slip like that It will upset anyone with an anti-English chip on their shoulder

True,a lot of Scots, Welsh, Irish and Islanders do have a chip on the shoulder because of those type of comments where it assumes the world revolves around England/English, AKA `The Guffies`

 

[weejocky]

True,a lot of Scots, Welsh, Irish and Islanders do have a chip on the shoulder

Yep...Big chip and a bigger inferiority complex, otherwise they wouldn't even notice when someone mistakenly says England when they mean Britain. You sound like you have one on each shoulder pal.

 

[rangi]

AFI s down 'ere m'dear.

Another F*****G Incomer

 

[bigalw35]

As a discussion starting point, perhaps benefits should be paid at the same rate as they are entitled to in their own country, its not about denying someone benefits, its about limiting it to what they are entitled to in their own country. Would that dissuade some of them?

of course if you cant identify their own country to award benefits, then they dont get any !

Absolutely, BUT, only if the monies paid out can be recuperated from the respective countries concerned, what would happened if we did the same in their country, would we be given monies (etc) willy nilly ?, I don’t think so !

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