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jezport

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There was a lot of e scooters sold at the Norfolk show. We bought there. I know they can't be used many places legally in the UK at the moment. We bought so I can get to the showers at shows as I can't walk fat.
I'm very impressed and would use it at home for short trips and errands. They are very green compared to even electric cars. How long is it going to be before our government gets round to sorting the legalities out?
 
They are being trailed in some city's in England Chester being one.
In Wales I've no idea a long time I would to think.
 
I've seen trial schemes all over country but it's privately owned scooters that need some form of legality.
 
There's lots of negative and alarmist press at the moment about escooters.. Seems to forget the increase in accidents is in proportion to the higher numbers in use. All wheeled vehicles carry risk. Personally I think micro evehicles have a place in modern transport and if I was well enough to be able to use one I would. Still completely banned on TfL though, can't even carry one.
 
Trial in Bristol being extended city wide. OK they are cheap mobility items however it is the users that cause concern. Only the for hire scooters are allowed to be used, they are speed limited and tracked, you need to have a driving license to hire one. With me so far, now the bad bits idiots use them school kids use them some are 2 or even 3 bodies up, disregard for any traffic lights just drive up on the pavement. Then there are the non hire ones I chased one on my moped and it pulled away rapidly as I topped out at 35 MPH.
My view is they should only be used as a motor vehicle with license testing and insurance, yeah like that is going to happen!

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One flew past me last week on the road at 30+ mph during the heatwave
Young lad rider in tee shirt, shorts and flip flops, hit a rut in the road and was straight off.
His injuries looked extremely painful :sick: (but not life threatening I think)
 
It's all down to common sense. Rules need to be made and followed to protect users and pedestrians. Electric bikes have been approved and rules made law, so not a big problem to do it for scooters.
 
It's all down to common sense. Rules need to be made and followed to protect users and pedestrians. Electric bikes have been approved and rules made law, so not a big problem to do it for scooters.
 
I believe the government have extended the trial in the cities across the country until 2024, not sure if this will have any impact on when they may be legalised. I looked in to this a month or so ago as wanted something for my wife, for similar reason to the OP. Going to France next year also, although it’s legal over there, you Have to have the scooter insured.
in the end we went for this as it fits in our MH Garage, I also enjoy giving it a blast. It’s classed as a normal ebike, so legal to use anywhere etc. just to add I bought it on flea bay, nearly new (8 months old).

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Last year we were in Cambridge staying on the CCC Club Site. We drove by not the city to find Boots in the TOAD. With students wandering about, by bicycles and the electric scooters coming n the nside, outside, left and right was a mate. They contribute to a dangerous situation. It's not the scooter that the problem it's the users. They and mini bikes have been banned from Motorsport services areas for many years.

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I am in Spain where they are everywhere. Very few private scooters but rented ones are everywhere, and many seemingly abandoned, I do not know their rental system. I do agree there’s a need for some control of speed and perhaps age group. Those people who drive at speed through crowded areas can cause alarm but time will tell.
 
jezport said:
There was a lot of e scooters sold at the Norfolk show. We bought there. I know they can't be used many places legally in the UK at the moment. We bought so I can get to the showers at shows as I can't walk fat.
I'm very impressed and would use it at home for short trips and errands. They are very green compared to even electric cars. How long is it going to be before our government gets round to sorting the legalities out?
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Hopefully never!
 
Under the present circumstances I think they are a liability ?
The only ones you see around here have one or two kids on them, dressed head to toe in black "designer" gear flying up and down the pavements at a rate of knots.
I honestly think they should ban them until they get some acceptable legislation (and the manpower to enforce it on these mean streets)
I would have loved one as a kid, and I can see the attraction, but the majority of the present inconsiderate users have no concern about anyone or anything other than themselves ?
 
A few months ago they were talking about legalising them as soon as September but if trials have been extended I can't see that happening.

Legal ones are limited to 25kph (15.5 mph) and for offences on them you can get points on your driving licence.
 
https://news.sky.com/story/man-riding-e-scooter-killed-after-collision-with-car-in-london-12658934Man riding e-scooter killed after collision with car in London
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Daughter has just been banned from driving in spain for two years,and is buying one😱
Against my better judgement , i said please get an electric bike but she wants a scooter
Shes 48!!!!!
 
I had to drive in central Bristol around 4pm a few months ago, up around the one way system by the University. I was the first time that I can say that I genuinely couldn’t feel absolutely confident about keeping track of movement through my windscreen and mirrors and knowing what was around me. Pavements overspilling with pedestrians, some stepping out into road to overtake others, loads of bicycles but mainly behaving themselves and keeping to the inside or middle of a lane. However the electric scooters…. not all hire ones……they can dart off the pavements, can overtake you on both sides at once and suddenly dart in front of you, changing lanes, no signals. Hundreds of them.
 
They are going to be the norm soon. People are being forced out of cars by prices/crap e cars/ parking/ green zones. EBikes are costly, hard to store, and very likely to be stolen. E scooters are cheap, easy, can be carried into places and won’t be policed. They can name all the rules they want, but won’t/can’t catch people on them.

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I was on my normal bike a couple of weeks back , arrived at end of road where it became a short footway , so dismounted , as I reached footpath crossing e scooter with small male rider nearly hit front wheel of my bike and almost swerved off path into road and car coming along road towards him must have been doing a good 20mph . He just manged to regain control and disappeared down the road . Legislation doesn't apply to idiots , so hopefully they stay illegal . I dont see how they can be legalised with throttle and its not legal on a normal E bike .
 
Anyone that rides one of these in a public place is asking for trouble. The law is very clear .
 
We have an E scooter trial where I live and from what I have seen the majority of users are young joy riders sometimes 2 up!
Users are not giving up driving into town for work and using an E scooter. E scooters are providing a source of recreation on the highways for individuals who have little or no road sense or awareness. They are not solving a problem but creating one!

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jezport said:
It's all down to common sense. Rules need to be made and followed to protect users and pedestrians. Electric bikes have been approved and rules made law, so not a big problem to do it for scooters.
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Common sense is much rarer than people expect.
Ebay and Facebook are overflowing with advertising of e bikes that are vastly powerful above those approved rules and therefore not legal to use unless road registered and insured.
 
A young guy heading down our road on a private scooter looked to be travelling well over 30 with no protection , how vulnerable is that standing up with small wheels, so unstable.
Yes I would like a go at 15mph but above that is close to suicidal imo.

But then I have an E bike and far safer.
 
How much of the official reticence is because our urban roads are so awful? If a cyclist damages themselves or their bike on a pothole, they can sue the council. If you legalise scooters with 8in wheels and next to no brakes, make them mix it with the motor traffic, IMO its a recipe for financial disaster for our councils, (and hospitals).
If you start with a traffic free town with a complete and well maintained cycle path network, it makes more sense, but that's not where the UK is now.
 
Bertilak said:
How much of the official reticence is because our urban roads are so awful? If a cyclist damages themselves or their bike on a pothole, they can sue the council. If you legalise scooters with 8in wheels and next to no brakes, make them mix it with the motor traffic, IMO its a recipe for financial disaster for our councils, (and hospitals).
If you start with a traffic free town with a complete and well maintained cycle path network, it makes more sense, but that's not where the UK is now.
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Agree with everything you say apart from the brakes, the ones we tried the brake were incredible took me by surprise and nearly got thrown off because they were so powerful.

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