E & P Self Levelling

[Simonnsj]

You will find that the auto level has the feet well planted before levelling. Use the remote from outside and it's noticeable. Using manual you can extend the angles significantly.
I experimented in a flat open space carpark (not near a wall). Big surprise to observe what is achievable.
Those with concerns for using fully extended rams may realise that they are operating well within the system scope.
My comments apply to the E&P level M
fitted to 3.5t vehicle 6.4m length. So bottom end of weight scale and not a lot of rear end hangover (so to speak).

Ours is similar - 6.55m length but 4.25t. I think any system will have its limits.

 

[Apacheman]

Sometimes it's not just a couple of minutes with levelling ramps, can be a lot longer back & forth, but it is only 30 Secs with E&

I still don't get it. £6500 to stop a little movement when you move around. Or maybe older motorhomes move more as the suspension wears??. Mine really does not move much that I notice. I'm really wouldn't think it worth it to save a couple of minutes with levelling ramps either. But, hey ho - just my opinion

It’s not about a couple of minutes. It’s not about stability, although the ease of using it and having stability is great. For us It’s about being level wherever we go especially as we use lots of off site parking. It’s expensive but so are Motorhome’s. Not met anyone yet that has it and says it’s a waste of money.

 

[goin roamin]

After 18 months + of deliberation we decided to have the E & P self levelling system fitted to our 2011 Hymer B544 and I have to say our only regret is not having it fitted sooner. Given the fact our motorhome is 13 years old it was a big decision but we love the layout so much we decided to take the plunge as we intend to keep it for the foreseeable future.
I realise the system is VERY expensive but as we use our motorhome regularly it has been worth every penny so far (it was fitted 3 weeks ago) and absolutely no regrets at the expense. It has transformed the comfort in our motorhome because it no longer moves every time we do and it hardly moved with the 50+mph gusts we experienced last night. The self levelling works great although sometimes we do have to deflate the rear air bag suspension set up which is no big deal as we have the pump etc in the cab to reinflate when we move off again.
I know there have been lots of threads on this subject but I would recommend the installation of the E&P system to anyone who uses their motorhome on a regular basis. We had ours fitted at Rosmia, Haywards Heath, West Sussex - they were very efficient and relatively local to us so easy to return should we encounter any issues - I would also be very happy to recommend them.

sometimes I go to level up on shingle sites and the leges dig into the shingle and then they are not long enough to level up.
So I have made four block of four by two (100x50) glued and screwed together which raises it up and gives you an extra 4inch of length in the ram also because of the block the ram does'nt come out as far and in the wind it's even better. Next time I go out I'll take you some pictures, all you need is two 2.4 metre lengths of 100x50.

 

[VXman]

It’s not about a couple of minutes. It’s not about stability, although the ease of using it and having stability is great. For us It’s about being level wherever we go especially as we use lots of off site parking. It’s expensive but so are Motorhome’s. Not met anyone yet that has it and says it’s a waste of money.

Of course not - no one would spend £6.5K on something like this and then come in here and say I've wasted my money

Look, I've said before - fine if it works for you. I'm just saying I don't need it. It is just a couple of minutes for me. I don't notice any wobbling in my van when my wife moves around. I do months and months off grid and have rarely not been able to be flat - and I'm fussy!!

So enjoy your expensive toys but accept some of us can cope without!

 

[Simonnsj]

Of course not - no one would spend £6.5K on something like this and then come in here and say I've wasted my money

Look, I've said before - fine if it works for you. I'm just saying I don't need it. It is just a couple of minutes for me. I don't notice any wobbling in my van when my wife moves around. I do months and months off grid and have rarely not been able to be flat - and I'm fussy!!

So enjoy your expensive toys but accept some of us can cope without!

Fair comment

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[Apacheman]

Of course not - no one would spend £6.5K on something like this and then come in here and say I've wasted my money

Look, I've said before - fine if it works for you. I'm just saying I don't need it. It is just a couple of minutes for me. I don't notice any wobbling in my van when my wife moves around. I do months and months off grid and have rarely not been able to be flat - and I'm fussy!!

So enjoy your expensive toys but accept some of us can cope without!

Fortunately at the time mine was fitted it was rather cheaper than 6.5k. Not for everybody I agree but your original post suggested people only bought it to stop a bit of movement. Not the case! Your money spend it how you like, but don’t be critical of those that spend theirs differently.

 

[Boaty]

Of course not - no one would spend £6.5K on something like this and then come in here and say I've wasted my money

Look, I've said before - fine if it works for you. I'm just saying I don't need it. It is just a couple of minutes for me. I don't notice any wobbling in my van when my wife moves around. I do months and months off grid and have rarely not been able to be flat - and I'm fussy!!

So enjoy your expensive toys but accept some of us can cope without!

Chill out.
Relax and ignore the thread.

 

[Lenny HB]

Which air suspension system do you have, and how much levelling does that give you? I'd not thought about that approach. (and is it any cheaper?)

I have Goldschmitt, gives about 4" on the rear and 5" on the front.
Don't know how much Goldschmitt is now but VB which used to be a few grand cheaper is now £8½ to £9k.

 

[Simonnsj]

Fortunately at the time mine was fitted it was rather cheaper than 6.5k. Not for everybody I agree but your original post suggested people only bought it to stop a bit of movement. Not the case! Your money spend it how you like, but don’t be critical of those that spend theirs differently.

We are very happy we added this to our MH - we mainly went for it for the levelling which we personally find a pain in the a.. but after realising how solid the MH is with the jacks down has made it far more comfortable and something we didn't really appreciate until the jacks were fitted. I appreciate for some they cannot see the point which is fair enough and as you say if its your own money then spend it as you like. I can only personally recommend them from our own experience so far.

 

[Mick Kennedy]

It's a shame that threads become adversarial, simply because someone else has expressed a different opinion to your own. I wish folks would be more easy going. This site is supposed to be ''fun''.

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[CazPaul]

It's a shame that threads become adversarial, simply because someone else has expressed a different opinion to your own. I wish folks would be more easy going. This site is supposed to be ''fun''.

I haven’t really seen anything adversarial, the thread is about E&P levelling you can’t expect everyone to come and and say it’s brilliant, get it fitted etc
It’s nice to hear a range of views on the subject, in my opinion it’s hugely expensive and I wouldn’t have it given for free. But accept and understand some find it wonderful, it’s your money so if you want something and can afford it then I’m all for it.
Some on here drive motorhomes costing a couple of grand, others 350k+, if you can afford the latter I’m all for it.

 

[Simonnsj]

It's a shame that threads become adversarial, simply because someone else has expressed a different opinion to your own. I wish folks would be more easy going. This site is supposed to be

I haven’t really seen anything adversarial, the thread is about E&P levelling you can’t expect everyone to come and and say it’s brilliant, get it fitted etc
It’s nice to hear a range of views on the subject, in my opinion it’s hugely expensive and I wouldn’t have it given for free. But accept and understand some find it wonderful, it’s your money so if you want something and can afford it then I’m all for it.
Some on here drive motorhomes costing a couple of grand, others 350k+, if you can afford the latter I’m all for it

 

[dulvil]

I have e&p levelling and vb full air and it’s good, except
When it’s dropping the air or building the air up it takes a minimum of 1 minute before levelling will start then a minute + for levelling, it seems to take a lot more
My Volvo air suspension goes up or down in about 5 seconds so why can’t vb put a faster compressor in

 

[sixcamerons]

May we ask a question of the group?

We have experienced a problem with our E&P system since new, in that when automatic levelling is selected, the near side front jack sometimes doesn't deploy fully and remains about 2cm above the ground.
By switching to manual mode and activating the front jacks the error is corrected.
The system is fitted on a Carthago e-line.
Neither Rosmia nor E&P have come across this before. The motorhome is booked in for further investigation.
To help with sorting this, has anyone experienced similar, identified the problem and found a solution?

 

[Boaty]

Hopefully your still under warranty.
New one on me, but I'd suggest a software issue as manual drives the ram.
With the remote in station does the fault repeat? If not could be a WiFi glitch.

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[sixcamerons]

Hopefully your still under warranty.
New one on me, but I'd suggest a software issue as manual drives the ram.
With the remote in station does the fault repeat? If not could be a WiFi glitch.

Thank you for your message, the problem occurs with the remote in the docking station or out.
E&P have said the problem will be covered under warranty, but you have to know what the problem is first.
Occasional or episodic problems are proving a devil to sort.

 

[Peregrinator]

It’s not about a couple of minutes. It’s not about stability, although the ease of using it and having stability is great. For us It’s about being level wherever we go especially as we use lots of off site parking. It’s expensive but so are Motorhome’s. Not met anyone yet that has it and says it’s a waste of money.

I know that, he don't know it.

 

[Boaty]

Thank you for your message, the problem occurs with the remote in the docking station or out.
E&P have said the problem will be covered under warranty, but you have to know what the problem is first.
Occasional or episodic problems are proving a devil to sort.

We were told the system was sensitive and not to move about whilst in levelling mode. Wondered if you've had a person or dog move which shifted the suspension height?
Other thoughts:
Have you seen it stop short on deploy or only after? So has it gone down and then retracted?
Can you start auto mode whilst outside the van, and try to trigger the fault? Have somebody move from passenger seat or driver's rear?
My wife remembered we had a rear ram short once. This was when in over 50mph wind, auto mode the system got confused and couldn't settle on level. I stopped and checked outside. In manual mode retracted rams and started auto again, no problem.
Intermittents a nightmare.

 

[Two on Tour]

May we ask a question of the group?

We have experienced a problem with our E&P system since new, in that when automatic levelling is selected, the near side front jack sometimes doesn't deploy fully and remains about 2cm above the ground.
By switching to manual mode and activating the front jacks the error is corrected.
The system is fitted on a Carthago e-line.
Neither Rosmia nor E&P have come across this before. The motorhome is booked in for further investigation.
To help with sorting this, has anyone experienced similar, identified the problem and found a solution?

We had the same problem earlier this year, but it was offside rear jack.
It was diagnosed at SAP (who installed our system) as either a fault with the hydraulic solenoid or the front nearside jack as it's normally the opposing corner jack that's the problem rather than the jack that you think is not deploying correctly, anyway, SAP changed the front nearside jack and that has cured our problem.

 

[zac]

We've had our's on for over 6 years now and (touch wood) we have not had any issues with it, i had it serviced at 4 years i think but not since. I do spray the legs every now and then but that's it.
It gets used more than anything else on or in the motorhome

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[VXman]

Fortunately at the time mine was fitted it was rather cheaper than 6.5k. Not for everybody I agree but your original post suggested people only bought it to stop a bit of movement. Not the case! Your money spend it how you like, but don’t be critical of those that spend theirs differently.

Nope, I said stop movement and making levelling easier. I think that's all the benefits?

Edit: oh and to support jacking up to change a wheel. However, for most that would a once in a lifetime experience.

 

[sixcamerons]

We had the same problem earlier this year, but it was offside rear jack.
It was diagnosed at SAP (who installed our system) as either a fault with the hydraulic solenoid or the front nearside jack as it's normally the opposing corner jack that's the problem rather than the jack that you think is not deploying correctly, anyway, SAP changed the front nearside jack and that has cured our problem.

Thank you, that is very helpful. I shall pass the information on

 

[Sunlovers]

May we ask a question of the group?

We have experienced a problem with our E&P system since new, in that when automatic levelling is selected, the near side front jack sometimes doesn't deploy fully and remains about 2cm above the ground.
By switching to manual mode and activating the front jacks the error is corrected.
The system is fitted on a Carthago e-line.
Neither Rosmia nor E&P have come across this before. The motorhome is booked in for further investigation.
To help with sorting this, has anyone experienced similar, identified the problem and found a solution?

Only last week we were on a pitch that was sloping backwards and to the right (as seen from the drivers seat when having backed onto the pitch). We deployed the rams on auto, both of us sat in our front seats as usual, waiting on the system to do its thing. All four rams deployed in their usual front first, rear second mode, then proceeded to begin to level us. After a minute we were to our mind level, when the system decided nope, you need to be higher up on the offside and proceeded to jack us up further. Once it had finished and decided we were level, I exited the van to sort out the EHU. Walking around the nearside of the van I looked under and to my surprise saw that the front nearside ram was approximately 75% extended, but floating in mid-air with at least 4" clearance underneath it.

Not having experienced this before, and not liking the look of it, I retracted the rams and had it level us up a second time. This time it achieved a level standing without leaving one of the rams dangling ..... most odd to say the least! Upon arriving home, the rams deployed as expected and levelled us up without any fuss, but I shall be keeping an eye on it in future. System is just over 26 months installed, so out of warranty now

 

[MichaelT]

Edit: oh and to support jacking up to change a wheel. However, for most that would a once in a lifetime experience.

Also if you have ALKO chassis you can safely and easily lift both rear wheels off the ground to grease the axle, 10 monute job.

 

[h8ten]

May we ask a question of the group?

We have experienced a problem with our E&P system since new, in that when automatic levelling is selected, the near side front jack sometimes doesn't deploy fully and remains about 2cm above the ground.
By switching to manual mode and activating the front jacks the error is corrected.
The system is fitted on a Carthago e-line.
Neither Rosmia nor E&P have come across this before. The motorhome is booked in for further investigation.
To help with sorting this, has anyone experienced similar, identified the problem and found a solution?

When I had my E&P installed the installer was giving me a quick demo and the nearside rear did not lower fully. I mentioned it to him and he retracted and then set about the process again also in auto mode and it worked fine. I have seen it myself but on this occasion, I noticed the pad was going to land on my cable and I retracted them before they reached the ground, then when I brought them down again one did not reach the ground, I put this down to the change before fully lowered. A retraction and deployment again sorted it. I was told that the van should be unoccupied when levelling and the rams checked as they lower for any obstructions.

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[Sunlovers]

When I had my E&P installed the installer was giving me a quick demo and the nearside rear did not lower fully. I mentioned it to him and he retracted and then set about the process again also in auto mode and it worked fine. I have seen it myself but on this occasion, I noticed the pad was going to land on my cable and I retracted them before they reached the ground, then when I brought them down again one did not reach the ground, I put this down to the change before fully lowered. A retraction and deployment again sorted it. I was told that the van should be unoccupied when levelling and the rams checked as they lower for any obstructions.

We were told to exit the van before levelling too, but never have done, especially as it always seems to be piddling down when we need to pitch! I do however scope the pitch before deploying or even parking to make sure it looks suitable for us, and doesn't have any obvious obstructions on the ground. Maybe it is just one of those "things" that occasionally happens and it just needs a retract and deploy to clear it down.

 

[Apacheman]

Nope, I said stop movement and making levelling easier. I think that's all the benefits?

Edit: oh and to support jacking up to change a wheel. However, for most that would a once in a lifetime experience.

You forgot to mention staying dry when it’s peeing down, waste tank emptying mode and handy too for an oil change.
I get its not for you.

 

[Two on Tour]

You forgot to mention staying dry when it’s peeing down.

VXman is not worried about rain as he said earlier in the thread that he sends his missus out to do the ramps.

 

[cyberyacht]

I'd always worry that once down they might stop working and I'd be stranded.

 

[Two on Tour]

I'd always worry that once down they might stop working and I'd be stranded.

Certainly with the E&P system you can manually raise the jacks if the system fails to raise the jacks, instructions on how to do so are in the owner's manual.

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