Ducato speedo inaccuracies.

[Guigsy]

Bigger wheels also mean more weight to spin up, so worse acceleration. And that your gearing is effectively a little bit taller, so you shift down to 5th on hills a bit more often.

 

[Carpmart]

The rolling radius of the tyres is the only factor that will determine the increase in accuracy for the Speedo. Rolling radius is determined by a combination of width of the tyre, size and profile. Therefore a 225/70/16 will have a different sidewall profile to a 215/70/16 and hence a different rolling radius. Tread depth also determines rolling radius.

Final drive from gearing and differential will also change with different rolling radius tyres.

All manufacturers quote the rolling radius of their tyres if you google it!

Unsprung weight, weight sitting outside of the spring/damping platform (primarily your wheels and tyres), also affects performance, less weight obviously being best, but on heavy and non performance vehicles, is of minor consideration unless you’re substantially increasing the weight.

 

[Happy Jack]

Bigger wheels also mean more weight to spin up, so worse acceleration. And that your gearing is effectively a little bit taller, so you shift down to 5th on hills a bit more often.

Yes Guigsy, one of the suppliers mentioned that.

 

[Happy Jack]

I changed from 215/70/15 to 225/75/16. My speedo now reads exactly the same as the gps.

Hi Silverman.
With 16" rims , how is your wheel arch clearance.
Especially on hard lock ?

 

[Landy Andy]

I swapped out my 215 15s for 225 15s. Speedo is now far more accurate, softer ride, and no additional cost as was buying tyres anyway. Although I have a dash mount readout for Speedo so use that.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[1967bowesj]

Good morning all.
My Ducato 2016, 2.3 speedo reads 70 when the satnav says 65.
Running on 15" rims at the mo with 215/70/15 tyres.
Not a problem as I think I can adjust the overspeed warning.
But it would be good if it was accurate.
Added complication:-
Getting alloys, could stay with 15" and same size Falken 01, which are the tyres I fancy.
Load rating is 109/107, but speedo would still read high.
Other profiles are available but the size that puts speedo correct has poor load ratings, only just good enough.
Would like to go to 16" and 225/75/16 tyres.
Excellent load rating but speedo would read even higher!!!
Other profiles are available but again load rating goes down, although not as bad as 15" versions.
Really did want higher rating as it allows loser pressures to give a softer ride.
Axle weights in full trim are 1610Kg front, 1500Kg back
Can anyone think of any solutions?
Can the speedo be recalibrated and how ?
Have emailed 3 suppliers to for their recommendations.
Waiting for reply.
Am North East based.

Had the falken van 01 on last van and found them very spongy and soft on corners, floaty when passing or being passed. Wouldn’t have them again on a motorhome

 

[Happy Jack]

I swapped out my 215 15s for 225 15s. Speedo is now far more accurate, softer ride, and no additional cost as was buying tyres anyway. Although I have a dash mount readout for Speedo so use that.

Hi Landy.
I
Are the wheel arch clearances OK and no fouling of inner wheel arch panels on full lock each way ?

 

[Happy Jack]

Had the falken van 01 on last van and found them very spongy and soft on corners, floaty when passing or being passed. Wouldn’t have them again on a motorhome

Hi 1967.Hi
Think that's the first time I've seen bad press about Falken.

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Hi 1967.Hi
Think that's the first time I've seen bad press about Falken.

We have the EUROALL SEASON VAN11 Falkens in 225/70 15 on ours and can’t fault them.

 

[1967bowesj]

Hi 1967.Hi
Think that's the first time I've seen bad press about Falken.

It will shock you then that I now have all season van 11, which I expect are the second revamped from the van 01. These are nowhere near as floaty, they are quiet and smooth. And this vans well heavier than the last one

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Landy Andy]

Hi Landy.
I
Are the wheel arch clearances OK and no fouling of inner wheel arch panels on full lock each way ?

No clearance issues at all even when using ramps.

 

[Happy Jack]

It will shock you then that I now have all season van 11, which I expect are the second revamped from the van 01. These are nowhere near as floaty, they are quiet and smooth. And this vans well heavier than the last one

Might look at the all season. Didn't think of it cos we don't go away in the winter.
It is our everyday ride but hardly used it.
Either walk to supermarket or get bus.

 

[robnchris]

I disagree with that, I think most speedos will read faster than actual speed, they should never read slower

Yes you are correct I got it the wrong way round, must have been the extra sun I was sitting in

 

[Happy Jack]

No clearance issues at all even when using ramps.

Am favouring 225, good 121 load rating.
Would email Falkin to get recommended pressures based on axle weights.
Of the suppliers I've contacted, 1 recommends either 215 or 225. Another offers a wide range if profiles and one only offers 225.
I fitted uprated coil springs and stronger leaf springs with semi-, ground clearance went up by 75mm.
Apart from roadholding and better ride that 16" will get for me, they will look good too.
Got my rear bumpers and trims back yesterday, colour coded. Will fit today. Fronts still to do.
Might start a post on colour coding

 

[Hettie's Crew]

Would email Falkin to get recommended pressures based on axle weights.

Falken-poster-a2_tyre-pressure-c-tyres-english-rz-lowres.pdf

Nextcloud - a safe home for all your data

mediacenter.falkentyre.com

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Gaston aires]

I use a GPS speedo. Bang on accuracy, easy to see, and switch to KPH for foreign travel.
Cheap as chips on the usual sites.
Phil

 

[Happy Jack]

I use a GPS speedo. Bang on accuracy, easy to see, and switch to KPH for foreign travel.
Cheap as chips on the usual sites.
Phil

Will have a look at those, presumably with hud.

 

[Happy Jack]

Falken-poster-a2_tyre-pressure-c-tyres-english-rz-lowres.pdf

Nextcloud - a safe home for all your data

mediacenter.falkentyre.com

Thanks, can't read the table on the fire 8 I'm on at the mo.
Will check it out on my phone or laptop.

 

[tonyidle]

The rolling radius of the tyres is the only factor that will determine the increase in accuracy for the Speedo. Rolling radius is determined by a combination of width of the tyre, size and profile. Therefore a 225/70/16 will have a different sidewall profile to a 215/70/16 and hence a different rolling radius. Tread depth also determines rolling radius.

Final drive from gearing and differential will also change with different rolling radius tyres.

All manufacturers quote the rolling radius of their tyres if you google it!

Unsprung weight, weight sitting outside of the spring/damping platform (primarily your wheels and tyres), also affects performance, less weight obviously being best, but on heavy and non performance vehicles, is of minor consideration unless you’re substantially increasing the weight.

Speedo information is normally taken from a driveshaft sensor.

 

[Landy Andy]

If in no rush, plenty of people swap across to alloys, and sell their 16” wheels if that is the direction you wish to go. I notice the gearing change when swapped from 215 15, to 225 15, so I don’t know if I would now swap to 16” wheels.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[Landy Andy]

Doesn’t really show in the pics, but you could clearly see the size difference when fitting them.

 

[pjay]

A quick query if I may..

I have 4 x 15in alloys currently fitted with 215 70 15's that I wish to fit new 225 70 15 or maybe 225 75 15 tyres to replace the old ones because of the speedo anomily.
I have a 15in steel spare with a 215 70 15 as well, if I fit a 225 75 15 tyre, will it still fit in the standard cradle underneath? (mwb panel van conversion).

Pete

 

[Landy Andy]

A quick query if I may..

I have 4 x 15in alloys currently fitted with 215 70 15's that I wish to fit new 225 70 15 or maybe 225 75 15 tyres to replace the old ones because of the speedo anomily.
I have a 15in steel spare with a 215 70 15 as well, if I fit a 225 75 15 tyre, will it still fit in the standard cradle underneath? (mwb panel van conversion).

Pete

I would think so as the same cradle is used for 16” wheels. Personally I’ve still got my old tyre size as the spare. It’s better than a space saver, that some cars have , and if I had a front puncture, and a long drive I would put odd size on the rear (non drive ) axle.

 

[1967bowesj]

A quick query if I may..

I have 4 x 15in alloys currently fitted with 215 70 15's that I wish to fit new 225 70 15 or maybe 225 75 15 tyres to replace the old ones because of the speedo anomily.
I have a 15in steel spare with a 215 70 15 as well, if I fit a 225 75 15 tyre, will it still fit in the standard cradle underneath? (mwb panel van conversion).

Pete

By changing yiu are making tyre 10mm wider so not going to affect the spare carrier i would think. The rolling circumfirence woukd increase though as you are increasing the tyre hieght from the rim. Aprox 10mm here also,

 

[Hettie's Crew]

A quick query if I may..

I have 4 x 15in alloys currently fitted with 215 70 15's that I wish to fit new 225 70 15 or maybe 225 75 15 tyres to replace the old ones because of the speedo anomily.
I have a 15in steel spare with a 215 70 15 as well, if I fit a 225 75 15 tyre, will it still fit in the standard cradle underneath? (mwb panel van conversion).

Pete

What 225/75 15 tyres are you considering, when I looked the load ratings were lower than the 225/70 15’s.
I saw a motorhome in France with the 225/75 15’s and they looked quite big in the wheel arch but couldn’t remember the Brand afterwards.

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}

 

[pjay]

What 225/75 15 tyres are you considering, when I looked the load ratings were lower than the 225/70 15’s.
I saw a motorhome in France with the 225/75 15’s and they looked quite big in the wheel arch but couldn’t remember the Brand afterwards.

Haven't got that far yet but would probably be happy with the 225/70's if they improve the speedo inaccuracy.

Pete

 

[Landy Andy]

My 225/70/15 s are 112/110R

 

[1967bowesj]

My 225/70/15 s are 112/110R

View attachment 967311

Think most only go to 116 in that size

 

[Landy Andy]

Think most only go to 116 in that size

Which takes rear axle to 2.5tonne.

 

[Happy Jack]

If in no rush, plenty of people swap across to alloys, and sell their 16” wheels if that is the direction you wish to go. I notice the gearing change when swapped from 215 15, to 225 15, so I don’t know if I would now swap to 16” wheels.

It's alloys I'm after
Have seen comments about slower acceleration through the gears etc. Pause for thought.
Yes I'm in no rush. 15" still on the cards

^{_{Subscribers  do not see these advertisements}}