Ivory55
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I thought the best bit of the CPC was the 1st aid bit. It was a good reminder for heart attacks etc.
Driver Traing Hours Revocation
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lou020
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it will eventually become an exam,just like the ADR . we did 3 sessions on the digi card, what are all those stupid fault/ service pictures all about, bloody A4 size paper full of pictures for digi card fault codes or whatever they call them,,,, i still can't remember what they mean.
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2657
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Whilst I think that the system as set up is a farce there is a need for some form of training/updating for both drivers and operator CPC holders.
I came into the business towards the end of the 'old school' in the early 70's after holiday jobs and family associations. I was amongst the first to have to take a test as I was just too young to claim a licence under grandfather rights even though I had been driving class 1 for a couple of years.
I have been a HGV driver on & off for over 40 years and held an International CPC and Operators Licence since 1985. A lot of things have changed over that period and whilst I have had to keep up with most of the changes I think a little re training would be appropriate if I were to carry on, but I am not.
The present system is in the main a complete joke and a money making exercise for some.
I came into the business towards the end of the 'old school' in the early 70's after holiday jobs and family associations. I was amongst the first to have to take a test as I was just too young to claim a licence under grandfather rights even though I had been driving class 1 for a couple of years.
I have been a HGV driver on & off for over 40 years and held an International CPC and Operators Licence since 1985. A lot of things have changed over that period and whilst I have had to keep up with most of the changes I think a little re training would be appropriate if I were to carry on, but I am not.
The present system is in the main a complete joke and a money making exercise for some.
Snowbird
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Yes, I can understand it for CPC holders, but if I driver does not know how many hours he can work or what loads he cannot carry without an ADR then he has no rights being in the job. Its hardly rocket science is it.
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I would agree to a point but I think some form of training and refreshers is not a bad thing.I do not think that the route you and I followed into the industry is widely available these days.
As for ADR how do you know what you can and cannot carry if you are not ADR trained or at least instructed by someone that is. I let mine lapse years ago when firms wanted to pay the same rates for ADR work as general along with a problem of getting insurance cover as a single vehicle owner operator.
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Al-Di
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I did the same 3 courses out of 5 last year for my cpc, and i hold the proper cpc nat/inter,
found the digi stuff interesting but the rest is common sense,and as said if you did the vosa check list you would still be in yard at dinner,
fines,
£30 for landing legs not fully wound up, 1/2 turn allowed
£50, for insecure/missing fuel cap,
£50 for missing straps across pallets etc
plus many more
not the industry i would go into again, which is a reason the young dont want it, and of course the expense to start with£1500 to get class 2 approx,
Alan,
found the digi stuff interesting but the rest is common sense,and as said if you did the vosa check list you would still be in yard at dinner,
fines,
£30 for landing legs not fully wound up, 1/2 turn allowed
£50, for insecure/missing fuel cap,
£50 for missing straps across pallets etc
plus many more
not the industry i would go into again, which is a reason the young dont want it, and of course the expense to start with£1500 to get class 2 approx,
Alan,
As most of you know I was untill this years the training manager for a crane hire company mainly delivering crane opp and slinger courses
Our leader told me I had to go on a course with RHA to deliver Driver CPC what a load of bollox I never did one thank God as we found out later crane driver are exempt as we don't carry loads so did not require CPC
I know a lot of lads that have done all types of courses with differant providers and only one course comes up as worth doing
Driver hours and working time directive mainly due to fact most of lads only understand what has been handed down by other drivers and never been told how it all works correctly
The rest are pure bull
Our leader told me I had to go on a course with RHA to deliver Driver CPC what a load of bollox I never did one thank God as we found out later crane driver are exempt as we don't carry loads so did not require CPC
I know a lot of lads that have done all types of courses with differant providers and only one course comes up as worth doing
Driver hours and working time directive mainly due to fact most of lads only understand what has been handed down by other drivers and never been told how it all works correctly
The rest are pure bull
johnp10
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The need for this CPC non training (if any training has no validation by testing, it is itself invalid) is obscure.
If, as an industry, we were killing and maiming thousands every year, I could accept the need.
We are not, so I cant accept it.
The auditors have little or no knowledge of course content, they are only interested in procedures and timings.
Good job, auditing tea breaks.
I have asked 2 auditors what they knew of the content of the ADR courses they were auditing.
Both said they had no experience or knowledge of the content, but that it was the process (programme timings) that was important.
Many instructors are likewise unqualified as such.
They are "authorised" by the award body, which is not the same thing.
It is a nonsense.
Surely, commercial driving is the only occupation which requires the worker to pay to work?
Fuel tanker drivers now require LGV with its attendant medicals, ADR every five years and now the Petroleum Drivers' Passport, which is annual.
It's a joke.
Is it any real wonder the kids don't want the job?
I no longer do.
If, as an industry, we were killing and maiming thousands every year, I could accept the need.
We are not, so I cant accept it.
The auditors have little or no knowledge of course content, they are only interested in procedures and timings.
Good job, auditing tea breaks.
I have asked 2 auditors what they knew of the content of the ADR courses they were auditing.
Both said they had no experience or knowledge of the content, but that it was the process (programme timings) that was important.
Many instructors are likewise unqualified as such.
They are "authorised" by the award body, which is not the same thing.
It is a nonsense.
Surely, commercial driving is the only occupation which requires the worker to pay to work?
Fuel tanker drivers now require LGV with its attendant medicals, ADR every five years and now the Petroleum Drivers' Passport, which is annual.
It's a joke.
Is it any real wonder the kids don't want the job?
I no longer do.
TerryL
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Although still current, I'm letting my PCV/CPC lapse at the time of the next medical. The CPC training was a complete farce - I did the same module 3 times and another twice so I never actually "learnt" anything else but still got the CPC issued automatically. At the outset I thought driver training was a good idea and if it had been organised properly from the start - and the industry had 5 years warning - it would have been fine. Insisting on 7 hours per year for 5 years would have been the right way to do it but making it 35 hours over 5 years, well no wonder it became farcical!
To be honest I'm amazed that the UK didn't drop it, like other European countries, because I forecast at the time that nobody would do the training and when it became a legal requirement there would not be enough "qualified" drivers to cope. And now we're being warned that Christmas deliveries are under threat because of a shortage of drivers.
The words "p--s up" and "breweries" come to mind!
To be honest I'm amazed that the UK didn't drop it, like other European countries, because I forecast at the time that nobody would do the training and when it became a legal requirement there would not be enough "qualified" drivers to cope. And now we're being warned that Christmas deliveries are under threat because of a shortage of drivers.
The words "p--s up" and "breweries" come to mind!
If you cannot do the physical treadmill test you can insist upon a heart stress gamma scan, costs the DVLA a fortune!
You get injected with a radio active dye then another one which stresses your heart up to 120 beats a minute with a specialist heart doctor in attendance.
You then get scanned in a gamma ray machine which looks like a CT scanner for twenty minutes which basically takes a video of your heart beating.
You then go back a few days/week later and do it all again without the heart being stressed and they compare the two scans.
I did it about five years ago and passed but could not be bothered to do it again when licence needed renewing again after three years
Peter
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One for Roland rat, as many French say, We make the rules but you Brits must keep to them!
johnp10
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That would sum up the EU if it read "We make the rules but you Brits are stupid enough to be the only ones keeping to them".
I also need to get a HGV medical to fly my little plane, they decided that it would suffice for that as well , BUT my GP whom I had never seen refused unless I had a treadmill test on the Bruce protocol, which I cannot do for 12 minutes, too bloody hard work. I had already had a Gamma scan and it was fine they took my heart rate to 220 not 120 and it felt like I was bursting, most unpleasant thing I have ever had, and I had an angiogram which said all my main arteries were patent. So two test satisfactory but no he demanded the treadmill. I got a restricted medical for the plane ,but he said that under no circumstances can I have one for my motorhome. So I need to sell or downplate it.
Trekker
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There's 2 professions where the workers are constantly hounded by the law,----prostitutes and truck drivers !!!
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