Driver capability

[shrek snr]

Sorry I had a few sherbets and couldn't focus properly, also my C1 license had expired. HHad to avoid the boys in blue.

 

[Rob Turner]

I passed him when he was doing 40mph on the motorway

If he was doing 40mph on the motorway he’s a bloody idiot and shouldn’t be on the road

I don’t drive fast but i do maintain a safe speed.

Driving slow is as dangerous as driving fast, frustrated drivers following you take risks to pass!

 

[Nanniemate]

If he was doing 40mph on the motorway he’s a bloody idiot and shouldn’t be on the road

I don’t drive fast but i do maintain a safe speed.

Driving slow is as dangerous as driving fast, frustrated drivers following you take risks to pass!

I won't mention the rangerover In the 2nd of 4 lanes doing the same later in the day.

For some reason people think they are brilliant drivers and everyone else is bad I remember a comedian years ago can't remember who

But he said something like
Laugh at my dress sense
Criticise my house and decoration
You can even sleep with my wife
And beat my kids

But

Don't dare Criticise. My driving

 

[Larby]

 

[andysam]

I won't mention the rangerover In the 2nd of 4 lanes doing the same later in the day.

For some reason people think they are brilliant drivers and everyone else is bad I remember a comedian years ago can't remember who

But he said something like
Laugh at my dress sense
Criticise my house and decoration
You can even sleep with my wife
And beat my kids

But

Don't dare Criticise. My driving

HMG has spent a lot of money furthering my driving skills, but what many people fail to recognise is that passing the standard driving test means that a minimum standard has been attained (often not on the first attempt and often not at maximum pass mark). Then said person does x numbers of years/decades driving (often with poor skills) and considers themselves competent or even expert. Sadly this is not the case.

I would happily re-licence every 10 years to evidence basic skills. I have to do it for other qualifications every 2-5 years, depending which qual it is, but sadly that is unworkable but would make jobs for 1000s of people. Say £200 per test? If you don't drive to the conditions on your test currently (either too fast or too slow) you fail. Simple.

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[dunnah01]

I thought the Cathargo ?-line doing 80+ in the outside lane of the busy M6 last week was a bit over excited

 

[andysam]

I thought the Cathargo ?-line doing 80+ in the outside lane of the busy M6 last week was a bit over excited

...with very deep pockets for their fuel bill

 

[ChrisL]

HMG has spent a lot of money furthering my driving skills, but what many people fail to recognise is that passing the standard driving test means that a minimum standard has been attained (often not on the first attempt and often not at maximum pass mark). Then said person does x numbers of years/decades driving (often with poor skills) and considers themselves competent or even expert. Sadly this is not the case.

I would happily re-licence every 10 years to evidence basic skills. I have to do it for other qualifications every 2-5 years, depending which qual it is, but sadly that is unworkable but would make jobs for 1000s of people. Say £200 per test? If you don't drive to the conditions on your test currently (either too fast or too slow) you fail. Simple.

All this because you were 10 minutes or so later getting to your destination? I try not to judge people on how fast or slow they're driving because I don't know what's going on inside the vehicle, to fast? Maybe he has a sick child he's trying to get to hospital, to slow? Maybe it's stuck in limp mode? 40 mph on a motorway might be as fast as he can go. Try and chill out and don't let it wind you up, we've all been stuck behind cyclists and horses, it's not good for your health to get stressed over these things.

 

[Nanniemate]

HMG has spent a lot of money furthering my driving skills, but what many people fail to recognise is that passing the standard driving test means that a minimum standard has been attained (often not on the first attempt and often not at maximum pass mark). Then said person does x numbers of years/decades driving (often with poor skills) and considers themselves competent or even expert. Sadly this is not the case.

I would happily re-licence every 10 years to evidence basic skills. I have to do it for other qualifications every 2-5 years, depending which qual it is, but sadly that is unworkable but would make jobs for 1000s of people. Say £200 per test? If you don't drive to the conditions on your test currently (either too fast or too slow) you fail. Simple.

I totally agree with you you I would have suggested every 5 years shall we petition for it .I'm sure all the brilliant drivers out the will support us

 

[andysam]

All this because you were 10 minutes or so later getting to your destination? I try not to judge people on how fast or slow they're driving because I don't know what's going on inside the vehicle, to fast? Maybe he has a sick child he's trying to get to hospital, to slow? Maybe it's stuck in limp mode? 40 mph on a motorway might be as fast as he can go. Try and chill out and don't let it wind you up, we've all been stuck behind cyclists and horses, it's not good for your health to get stressed over these things.

or maybe and just maybe, that that driver is at their absolute driving and concentration limit and a danger to be on the road. I don't guess at what is going on, I simply observe the facts. In fact a driver has once told me that after they had been driving at 40mph in a 60, that 40mph was their absolute limit...when I asked why they were then doing 40 mph in a 30 zone which started after the national speed limit they didn't have an answer.

Yes they could have been ill etc, on the point of breaking down (they were certainly braking a lot), on a mercy mission or probably more likely was that they were just a poor driver.

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[SpeedyDux]

A small group of cyclists crawling along uphill on a twisty road with double white lines has much the same effect.

Anyway thanks for those witty posts! Made me chuckle.

 

[Langtoftlad]

Aren't speed limits just that, a limit, not a target ?

And roads can have minimum limits...

However, a tractor driver was prosecuted & fined [ £485 ] back in 2016 for causing a 50 vehicle, half mile, tailback...

 

[BouncyBoatFolk]

Is driving slowly illegal in UK?


Is driving too slowly illegal in the UK? While there is no law for driving too slowly, the police can charge you for “driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other road users”. This CD30 endorsement carries 3 to 9 penalty points.
So, if noted by the authorities, [BIG if] there are proceedings that can be invoked if it's for no specific legitimate reason.
Without knowing the full facts it's just speculation, a bit like religious leaders describing their brand of the after life, if there is one .
Mike.

 

[funflair]

It's a bus chassis is it not and the bus behind caught it and a double decker is a lot bigger

No but depending on model it would either be a sub 7500kg Daily chassis or a truck chassis at over 7500kg.

The bus driver is a professional, presumably driving the same routes regularly in a vehicle he didn't buy himself, there is a difference.

As you say the bus driver doesn't usually buy his own vehicle so not too bothered about the odd scratch, a nice Concorde can be well over £500k so the driver might care a little more, I remember picking up our Flair, first time driving 8.5 metres and LHD in the UK and snowing didn't help, no doubt I held up a couple of potential rally drivers in the making but we got to our destination stressed but safe

 

[Reallyretired]

Sometimes laybys are hard to find in the UK.

I totally agree with you you I would have suggested every 5 years shall we petition for it .I'm sure all the brilliant drivers out the will support us

Not if its going to cost £200 a go. Maybe if it was free.

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[Tea Bag]

hi.
Number 2...Starts the Queue..
Tea Bag

 

[gus-lopez]

to slow? Maybe it's stuck in limp mode? 40 mph on a motorway might be as fast as he can go.

Put the hazard flashers on then & we all know they have a problem.

it's not good for your health to get stressed over these things.

Then let me die now. I can barely get out the front gate without ranting, according to my wife.

No but depending on model it would either be a sub 7500kg Daily chassis or a truck chassis at over 7500kg.


As you say the bus driver doesn't usually buy his own vehicle so not too bothered about the odd scratch, a nice Concorde can be well over £500k so the driver might care a little more, I remember picking up our Flair, first time driving 8.5 metres and LHD in the UK and snowing didn't help, no doubt I held up a couple of potential rally drivers in the making but we got to our destination stressed but safe

It doesn't matter . If it has to be dragged down the hedge that is what has to be done. I 0m fanatical about damage to my vehcile but if you are down country lanes you should be dragging the hedge .If you aren't you are too far out.

 

[andysam]

No but depending on model it would either be a sub 7500kg Daily chassis or a truck chassis at over 7500kg.


As you say the bus driver doesn't usually buy his own vehicle so not too bothered about the odd scratch, a nice Concorde can be well over £500k so the driver might care a little more, I remember picking up our Flair, first time driving 8.5 metres and LHD in the UK and snowing didn't help, no doubt I held up a couple of potential rally drivers in the making but we got to our destination stressed but safe

It was a 15 year old 6.8T Iveco 3 litre. With a chassis that is reported to have overall rust, but advisory only

 

[scotzsue]

Dare I ask the gender of the driver ?
As stated, it may be the driver was unfamiliar with the vehicle and taking it cautiously.
Inconsiderate driving for sure and very annoying, but not a whole lot you can do about it.
All you can do is chill and enjoy the scenery

Probably male, i always pull in when i am able to, but OH will not unless it has a blue light, he then moans like heck if the same happens to him. I do drive cautiously on unfamiliar roads and get frustrated when there is nowhere safe to pull in and let others pass, but such is life.

 

[andysam]

hi.
Number 2...Starts the Queue..
Tea Bag

Absolutely, 10-15 cars in front of me dispatched it fairly swiftly (one close call) but after that the drivers behind were stuck with me at 2 and the bus at 4.

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[funflair]

Put the hazard flashers on then & we all know they have a problem.

Then let me die now. I can barely get out the front gate without ranting, according to my wife.

It doesn't matter . If it has to be dragged down the hedge that is what has to be done. I 0m fanatical about damage to my vehcile but if you are down country lanes you should be dragging the hedge .If you aren't you are too far out.

If I couldn't fit between the hedges I wouldn't want to be there, but I certainly won't be intentionally causing damage just so that somebody else can get past

And what's more, if the hedges and trees were maintained the roads would be another 2 foot wider

 

[andysam]

Sometimes laybys are hard to find in the UK.

Not if its going to cost £200 a go. Maybe if it was free.

No, I was talking about compulsory testing. It won't happen, but if it did happen at £200 then thousands of jobs would be created and maintained and the roads would be safer. A driving licence is not a right, it is a conditional entitlement. DVLA can refuse driving licences at renewal even without medical evidence and also revoke licences.

 

[kevenh]

The UK road infrastructure doesn't cater for easy pulling over like it does in other countries. Like New Zealand & Canada for e.g.

Only those two countries named as those are the only other places I've motorhomed.
They have frequent pull over lanes to allow faster traffic through.
With or without the help of these lanes (mostly "with" due to there frequency), if a slower vehicle notices a couple of cars behind them they get out of the way.

In the UK you're lucky if there's unoccupied parking at the side of the road to pull into.
Still, within a mile or two there'll be some option to pull-out of the way ignored.
Our mindset is to stay out and not lose 2min of our journey
edit: clarity

 

[andysam]

The UK road infrastructure doesn't cater for easy pulling over like it does in other countries. Like New Zealand & Canada for e.g.

Only those two countries named as those are the only other places I've motorhomed.
They have frequent pull over lanes to allow faster traffic through.
With or without the help of these lanes (mostly with due to there frequency) if a slower vehicle notices a couple of cars behind them they get out of the way.

In the UK you're lucky if there's unoccupied parking at the side of the road to pull into.
Still, within a mile or two there'll be some option to pull-out of the way ignored.
Our mindset is to stay out and not lose 2min of our journey

See my post above with the photo of one of the 3 lay bys passed. It was sheer ignorance of the driver. I often pull over to let cars past on small roads. It's the right thing to do.

 

[bertiebasset]

Oh how I wish I waz perfick

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[MitchandJenny]

Dare I ask the gender of the driver ?
As stated, it may be the driver was unfamiliar with the vehicle and taking it cautiously.
Inconsiderate driving for sure and very annoying, but not a whole lot you can do about it.
All you can do is chill and enjoy the scenery

Sabine Schmitt.
Held the speed record for driving a transit van round the Nuremberg ring.
Mitch

 

[Nanniemate]

I was poodling around Somerset this week as soon as there were cars behind I pulled over at the first available point.
Got some great responses waves flashes toots but the best was on a single track with i think a merc
I pulled over and the arm came out the window and a great big WAVE
It made me smile and him get on with his day the lane was about 5 miles long with no other place to stop
Added bonus got to watch the swans in the field that I may have missed
And the hedges had been cut back very recently
I had a lovely time and didn't upset the locals ....I think

 

[SpeedyDux]

Is driving slowly illegal in UK?


Is driving too slowly illegal in the UK? While there is no law for driving too slowly, the police can charge you for “driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other road users”. This CD30 endorsement carries 3 to 9 penalty points.
So, if noted by the authorities, [BIG if] there are proceedings that can be invoked if it's for no specific legitimate reason.
Without knowing the full facts it's just speculation, a bit like religious leaders describing their brand of the after life, if there is one .
Mike.

Correct. It does seem heavy-handed as a punishment for merely inconveniencing other road users for a relatively short time.

Contrast this with trucks that transport exceptional large loads, that can bring narrow roads and entire villages or towns to a standstill.

 

[SpeedyDux]

In 2019 returning from the Chunnel I was held up on the northbound M20 for more than half an hour in a long tailback.

At the head of this was a funeral procession, very obviously a large number of vehicles from the itinerant community, driving at 20 mph and deliberately blocking lane 2 with a pickup truck at the same speed. All other motorway traffic restricted to lane 3, causing inconvenience and lengthy delays to hundreds of vehicles at least. Not a cop car or HATO in sight. That community gets a free pass, don't they.

 

[andysam]

That community gets a free pass, don't they.

Yes, absolutely. In many ways.

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