I did, from a safe distance, it is a rescue, but is 2 years old and they have had it since it was 4 months old. They claimed it is fine on a short lead out for a walk, but very territorial, not ideal on a campsite, what if it had been a small child instead of me
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It gets on my nerves when other dog owners lecture on what you should or shouldn't do with yours, when they have absolutely NO idea about you or your dog, and their opinion wasn't asked for.
Mum's two girls are rescue dogs. One is much more nervous than the other. Both are lurchers, so they have about a thousand years of breeding genetics built in which say 'if it moves - chase it'. Furthermore, they are VERY prone to injuring themselves when running, because the chase/prey drive overrides everything else. So 'normal' walks have a number of times ended up with one or the other of them coming back bleeding, or on three legs. Finally, they are not race fit (despite people seeming to think that if you have lurchers they must be racers) and they are also not young. They are quite happy to have quiet walks with occasional 'blasts' about. In fact, if you let one off at a time they will never run or even go far from you, because both have to be moving to trigger the 'chase'. They are walked on the lead, because Mum lives in a rural area with plenty of livestock and wildlife. They are let off in controlled environments.
We have no issues with people whose off lead dogs are controlled (very few, in our experience) but we've had several incidents where people can quite easily see our two are on (hi viz) leads but don't even call their own dogs back. Even when they see us move our two off of the path to give them more space. One of those incidents resulted in mum (who has had knee surgery in the last few months) almost being toppled over by her dog trying to escape from a very over eager stranger dog.
I don't have issues with dogs being dogs. I don't mind a dog barking if someone comes close, but I object to them being allowed to bark on and on and on. I object to them being uncontrolled. And I object to people who think that everyone else will love their dog. Sorry, but many - including my friend's daughter who is petrified of unfamiliar dogs after being nipped by one - do not love dogs, and even those who do don't necessary enjoy random stranger dogs flinging themselves at them and their own dogs.
Mum's two girls are rescue dogs. One is much more nervous than the other. Both are lurchers, so they have about a thousand years of breeding genetics built in which say 'if it moves - chase it'. Furthermore, they are VERY prone to injuring themselves when running, because the chase/prey drive overrides everything else. So 'normal' walks have a number of times ended up with one or the other of them coming back bleeding, or on three legs. Finally, they are not race fit (despite people seeming to think that if you have lurchers they must be racers) and they are also not young. They are quite happy to have quiet walks with occasional 'blasts' about. In fact, if you let one off at a time they will never run or even go far from you, because both have to be moving to trigger the 'chase'. They are walked on the lead, because Mum lives in a rural area with plenty of livestock and wildlife. They are let off in controlled environments.
We have no issues with people whose off lead dogs are controlled (very few, in our experience) but we've had several incidents where people can quite easily see our two are on (hi viz) leads but don't even call their own dogs back. Even when they see us move our two off of the path to give them more space. One of those incidents resulted in mum (who has had knee surgery in the last few months) almost being toppled over by her dog trying to escape from a very over eager stranger dog.
I don't have issues with dogs being dogs. I don't mind a dog barking if someone comes close, but I object to them being allowed to bark on and on and on. I object to them being uncontrolled. And I object to people who think that everyone else will love their dog. Sorry, but many - including my friend's daughter who is petrified of unfamiliar dogs after being nipped by one - do not love dogs, and even those who do don't necessary enjoy random stranger dogs flinging themselves at them and their own dogs.
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You have met me!He really is perfect in every other way - funny, caring and totally lovable.
Better than most blokes I have met
We used to walk on a local footpath which went through a house with chickens running free all around. I always had Stanley on a tight lead as he was so hard wired to kill. One day Steve went on his own and slipped on the bird poop and let go of Stanley, Stanley grabbed a chicken, the woman came out of the house filming the incident on her phone and swearing and shouting at which point Stanley bit down on the chicken and killed it he then walked all he way home with it in his mouth. Hour later Police at my door, report of a dangerous dog. The Police Officer told me that the woman had told him if she saw me again with Stanley she would shoot him. Next day I spoke to a Solicitor and he told me don't go anywhere near her, she cannot shoot him if I am walking near her property of even on her property but he did say People lie, she could say he tried to attack her next time, so just keep away. I still walked around the area for years but always with a Go pro video camera clipped onto my jacket. Local Farmer told me the woman couldn't have even walked off her property with a loaded shotgun. I'm still wondering why she wasn't arrested for making that threat because that was a threat to me too.
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She wasn't arrested because she is within the law to shoot a dog attacking her livestock, and to tell you that that is what she would do. The chicken owner didn't threaten you, they threatened your dog, which - give it had just killed one of their chickens - I'm not surprised about, to be honest.
Your solicitor is right that she couldn't just shoot Stanley if he was being walked and on the lead and under control. You can get leads which clip onto you, which Mum has, which mean if you let go of your dog they are still attached.
I’m not a dog lover in any shape or form and my wife is totally petrified of them so imho all dogs should be on a lead when they are in public spaces end of .
It’s quite annoying to me that some dog owners think that everyone around them loves their little darlings running around off a lead so they can do whatever they like!
It’s quite annoying to me that some dog owners think that everyone around them loves their little darlings running around off a lead so they can do whatever they like!
I had every sympathy with the woman, she loved her pets as we all do. She didn't threaten me she threatened my dog. I would have stood in front of my dog if she had approached with a gun so therefore yes, that in my mind is a threat to my life. If a dog had picked up a pet chicken of mine I would have been more interested in getting my chicken off it, not stand and film it. Not bothered anyway he's dead.
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All dogs are loyal if you can gain their trust and you treat them right.
The same can not be said for us humans.
Depends on the dog , depends on the human and depends on the owner ( who I have no idea about usually ) …A dog is still an animal and I’m sorry to say I don’t trust them at all hence my comment about always being on leads in public places .Do what you want in on your own property that’s your risk.
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Some of the funsters in this thread with dogs have them well trained & controllable but, like you, I’m thinking have a dog on a lead all the time they’re being walked to the dog exercise area and then back on the lead for the walk home
She should have been arrested for threatening to shoot my dog. She was not a farmer, had no farm , worked full time in a window manufacturing Company, had no shotgun, no shotgun licence. The chickens were her pets not livestock. My neighbour who is a farmer, by the way, threatened to shoot a dog after an incident on his land and found his house surrounded that night by the Armed response unit and had his shotgun confiscated. If a dog came onto my land and picked up a chicken and I then shouted to the owner, "next time I see you I will shoot your dog" I would expect a visit from the Police. Seriously, you think it is ok???
Did I just tell myself off 
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One funny situation that I can share from my time doing dog rescue is..
I walked into the kitchen of a house with the owner, to be met with a snarling, barking aggressive dog. I immediately walked straight up to the dog and told him off as a bad boy. Within a split second, he went from a dangerous ball of muscle, teeth and anger to a docile happy dog, wagging his tail and rolling on his back. To say the owner was shocked is an understatement
It is down to dog psychology and imprinted behaviour learnt as a puppy. Yes he is desperate to protect his home and family, but ALL dogs understand that there is a pecking order and if a powerful confident alpha type takes control of the situation, they respect that and accept their position in the order of the pack
I say this because many so called aggressive or dangerous dogs exhibit this behaviour because of a weak owner/pack leader. The dog assumes the role of pack protector. All dogs need a firm confident owner for a happy stable life, it is built into the way their brain works
I walked into the kitchen of a house with the owner, to be met with a snarling, barking aggressive dog. I immediately walked straight up to the dog and told him off as a bad boy. Within a split second, he went from a dangerous ball of muscle, teeth and anger to a docile happy dog, wagging his tail and rolling on his back. To say the owner was shocked is an understatement
It is down to dog psychology and imprinted behaviour learnt as a puppy. Yes he is desperate to protect his home and family, but ALL dogs understand that there is a pecking order and if a powerful confident alpha type takes control of the situation, they respect that and accept their position in the order of the pack
I say this because many so called aggressive or dangerous dogs exhibit this behaviour because of a weak owner/pack leader. The dog assumes the role of pack protector. All dogs need a firm confident owner for a happy stable life, it is built into the way their brain works
When my Stanley was a puppy I just couldn't get him to come to me and sit. One day the Farmer was checking my field as he was going to put his sheep on it. Well, Stanley flew up the field to him and the Farmer just lifted his arm and shouted "DOWN" Stanley hit the ground immediately and sat but his tail was wagging furiously. From that day I had no problems !!
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I have always thought that all dogs should be on leads in public places, by law
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Dogs on leads
There is no blanket law requiring dogs to be kept on a lead in all public spaces. However, there are a series of orders that mean you have to leash your dog in certain places in your local area, for example children's play areas, sports pitches, roads, parks and beaches.8 Apr 2022
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I walked the lab puppy this morning and s couple of Scottish terriers were behind a veranda, I held embers at a distance so as not to get too close, however I was standing in loose gravel, my legs went from under me and over I went my elbows broke my fall and saved me from being knocked out cold!
Countryside rule says dog must be kept on lead at all times. I live in said Countryside so obviously I kept my dog on his lead.
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Dog attacks: what to do if your dog is attacked
Q) What is the legal position if your dog is attacked by another dog in a public place?Elizabeth West from Cohen Cramer Solicitors’ Four Legs Law team answered our question:
“Dog on dog attacks are often considered to be something of a grey area of law, with every case being fact specific.
“It is a criminal offence, under section 3 of the Dangerous Dogs Act (DDA) for a dog to be dangerously out of control. A dog is deemed to be dangerously out of control if there is reasonable apprehension that it will injure a person or an assistance dog, whether or not an injury is caused.
“The police may pursue a case against a dog owner under section 3 DDA where it has attacked another dog, if the owner of the other dog has reasonable apprehension that they could be injured if they tried to stop the dog attacking their animal.
“Alternatively, if a dog is found to be dangerous and not kept under control by its owners, a case could be brought under Section 2, Dogs Act 1871.
"Under Section 2 Dogs Act 1971, civil proceedings are brought in the Magistrates Court. The court can make a destruction order, or a control order with conditions to ensure public safety, and/ or disqualify the owners from keeping the dog.
“Further, the police and/or local authority could issue a Community Protection Notice (CPN) or put controls in place to protect other animals from any further injury. This could be, for example, ensuring the dog is muzzled and on a lead in public places.
“There is, however, no guarantee that the police or local authority will take any action with dog on dog attacks. We would still always recommend dog on dog attacks are logged with the Police and dog warden, which can provide evidence of persistent problem dogs and owners.
“Where dog on dog attacks become a problem in specific areas, local authorities also have the power to introduce Public Space Protection Orders, where dogs are not allowed in certain areas of public land, or where restrictions apply, such as dogs must be kept on a lead.
“In terms of financial losses incurred (usually vet fees), if a dog injures another dog it may be possible to pursue a civil claim for compensation under the Animals Act 1971 and/or common law negligence. This is a civil matter and would be heard in a County Court. It is not possible to claim for a dog’s injury, only the financial losses incurred as a result of those injuries.”
Trust me there was never any chance my dog would have been attacked by another dog. I would have died for him.Dog attacks: what to do if your dog is attacked
Q) What is the legal position if your dog is attacked by another dog in a public place?
Elizabeth West from Cohen Cramer Solicitors’ Four Legs Law team answered our question:
“Dog on dog attacks are often considered to be something of a grey area of law, with every case being fact specific.
“It is a criminal offence, under section 3 of the Dangerous Dogs Act (DDA) for a dog to be dangerously out of control. A dog is deemed to be dangerously out of control if there is reasonable apprehension that it will injure a person or an assistance dog, whether or not an injury is caused.
“The police may pursue a case against a dog owner under section 3 DDA where it has attacked another dog, if the owner of the other dog has reasonable apprehension that they could be injured if they tried to stop the dog attacking their animal.
“Alternatively, if a dog is found to be dangerous and not kept under control by its owners, a case could be brought under Section 2, Dogs Act 1871.
"Under Section 2 Dogs Act 1971, civil proceedings are brought in the Magistrates Court. The court can make a destruction order, or a control order with conditions to ensure public safety, and/ or disqualify the owners from keeping the dog.
“Further, the police and/or local authority could issue a Community Protection Notice (CPN) or put controls in place to protect other animals from any further injury. This could be, for example, ensuring the dog is muzzled and on a lead in public places.
“There is, however, no guarantee that the police or local authority will take any action with dog on dog attacks. We would still always recommend dog on dog attacks are logged with the Police and dog warden, which can provide evidence of persistent problem dogs and owners.
“Where dog on dog attacks become a problem in specific areas, local authorities also have the power to introduce Public Space Protection Orders, where dogs are not allowed in certain areas of public land, or where restrictions apply, such as dogs must be kept on a lead.
“In terms of financial losses incurred (usually vet fees), if a dog injures another dog it may be possible to pursue a civil claim for compensation under the Animals Act 1971 and/or common law negligence. This is a civil matter and would be heard in a County Court. It is not possible to claim for a dog’s injury, only the financial losses incurred as a result of those injuries.”
Thought a lot before posting this but feel that i need to:
We were at "Bring & Buy" rally last weekend, all was fine Thursday & Friday, but then the hordes in tents arrived, with loads of dogs, Nothing against dogs, we have one, but some just yapped all day & night, and then on Saturday evening I was walking ours when a large mixed breed dog came hurtling out of a tent and went to attack ours, with no provocation, I grabbed ours and picked him up with the other one jumping at me. The owners just stood there and told me to let them get on with it !!, When i said that all dogs should be on leads i was told that he is just a puppy in training and to F&$k off, they are regulars there.
The whole experienced reminded me of why we no longer use mixed family type sites.
This is another site we shall never return to.
Sorry, rant over
Joe
We were at "Bring & Buy" rally last weekend, all was fine Thursday & Friday, but then the hordes in tents arrived, with loads of dogs, Nothing against dogs, we have one, but some just yapped all day & night, and then on Saturday evening I was walking ours when a large mixed breed dog came hurtling out of a tent and went to attack ours, with no provocation, I grabbed ours and picked him up with the other one jumping at me. The owners just stood there and told me to let them get on with it !!, When i said that all dogs should be on leads i was told that he is just a puppy in training and to F&$k off, they are regulars there.
The whole experienced reminded me of why we no longer use mixed family type sites.
This is another site we shall never return to.
Sorry, rant over
Joe
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Thank you for that information, think you have strayed onto the wrong thread as I have done too many times myselfBought a collapsible table and four chairs for the driveway pot garden. Second hand on eBay market place for only £35. Saved at least £100 on new bistro sets with only two chairs. And best of all, somewhere nice to sit and eat outside and admire my plants.
Completely agree..my Border Terrier was perfect on recall... till he saw another dog.. then he ran up being overly friendly totally ignoring me..fortunately the other dog was friendly (as was it's owner) since then I have taken him to a local place where dogs can socialise..I started with the small breeds group.. and he did the same relentlessly..a chiahawa soon put him in his place.. Owner picked her dog up and apologised.. I asked her to put it back down..rather risk a nip off a small dog than have him ripped apart.. that chiahawa taught him more dog manners in 3 seconds than I ever could..his recall when around other dogs is pretty well spot on now..I still put him back on his lead when I see a dog I don't know..
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Thank you for that information, think you have strayed onto the wrong thread as I have done too many times myself
For reasons unknown to me I am unable to delete it or edit it. But I can edit posts I have made in other threads, even after additional posts have been made by others.
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