does anyone have their gas system inspected/certificated ?

[Two Owl Ones]

luckily for us my nephew is a gas engineer and checks our system periodically, i read this today and it has provoked me to ask the question

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/campervan-engulfed-flames-caernarfon-27953780

 

[BillyKontiki]

I know with Swift you must get a full hab check done every year by an approved workshop, to keep your damp warranty valid, this Chechen includes a gas and electrical test and certification.
As far as I’m aware there is no requirement for the engineer to be ( gas safe registered ).
just a member of the approved workshop scheme.

 

[GMLS]

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[scotjimland]

FREE Safety Guide to Campervan Gas Regulations UK 2023​

Cylinder Compartment​

• Gas cylinders must be stored in a sealed compartment from the living space.
• Maximum of 2 cylinders with a capacity of 16kgs each.
• The compartment must have a 50mm upstand at low level, so the door must not go to the floor. Thus, to ensure any leaked gas is contained.
• The cylinder(s) must be fixed inside the compartment at high and low levels using a cylinder base and/or straps. Additionally, all methods for securing the cylinders must be undoable without the use of a tool.
• The cylinder position must not obscure the regulator, isolation valves or drop out vents.
• Its location must not be above or within 250mm of the exhaust. Because, the exhaust can cause heat through the floor and into the cylinder, increasing the pressure inside.
• Cables can be routed through the compartment, but there must be no exposed joints in the cable.
• There must be no joins in conduit or trunking routed through the compartment.
• Any holes in the compartment must be sealed.

Cylinder Compartment Ventilation​

• The ventilation free area must be equivalent to at least 2% of the floor area of the compartment. A typical 50mm drop out vent will provide 800mm² of free area.
• A cylinder less than 7kg can use a 20mm drop out vent (internal access compartment only).

 

[Cobra]

If you have a LAC (“Looked after child“ - e.g. Foster kid) like we do, then you need to have a gas cert for everything (including the Moho) every year
We are currently thinking about changing our van (It’s only a two berth) so don’t currently have one on the Moho
This means that we unable to even let the child in it if it’s parked on the drive, let alone travel in it!

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[olley]

What is the life span of a GAS IT refillable gas tanks & GAS IT bottles?

Under UK law, privately owned end-user owned refillable gas bottles or gas tanks now need to be legally tested every 10 years as normal exchange type gas bottles are and we can't stress how important this is.

 

[Basildog]

Had a pressure test on mine when the plumber came to service the house gas boiler, same one who did it 10 years ago, he is certified for mobile installations and gave me a piece of paper listing all the appliances including the underslung tank.

Did he remove the LPG tank and replace all the valves ?

 

[Basildog]

What is the life span of a GAS IT refillable gas tanks & GAS IT bottles?

Under UK law, privately owned end-user owned refillable gas bottles or gas tanks now need to be legally tested every 10 years as normal exchange type gas bottles are and we can't stress how important this is.

I was at the meeting when certain people were persuaded to accept what many of us have been saying for years

 

[Basildog]

I know with Swift you must get a full hab check done every year by an approved workshop, to keep your damp warranty valid, this Chechen includes a gas and electrical test and certification.
As far as I’m aware there is no requirement for the engineer to be ( gas safe registered ).
just a member of the approved workshop scheme.

Most so called gas engineers (fitters ) don’t have any training or experience / knowledge of underslung LPG tanks.
A new training course is not before time now available.
In fact I personally undertook the training course that we contributed to as I am a great believer in the boss being willing to do anything whether that is training or cleaning toilets no matter what your title is .

 

[olley]

I had new tanks fitted on the RV this year. One of them wouldn't empty and Steve said they are over ten years old, if I remove them I can't put them back, so 2 new 100L tanks.

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[gus-lopez]

this Chechen includes a gas and electrical test and certification.

I wouldn't want Kadorov doing my gas test

Maximum of 2 cylinders with a capacity of 16kgs each.

I wonder how you would get on here as carrying that amount of gas, in refillable cylinders, is illegal?

 

[Mikeco]

Did he remove the LPG tank and replace all the valves ?

Is that in the advisory Code of Practice issued by the industry mouthpiece, just checking as Flogas just do a visual inspection on my house LPG tank, they do not replace anything after 10 or 20 years.

 

[Basildog]

FREE Safety Guide to Campervan Gas Regulations UK 2023​

Cylinder Compartment​

• Gas cylinders must be stored in a sealed compartment from the living space.
• Maximum of 2 cylinders with a capacity of 16kgs each.
• The compartment must have a 50mm upstand at low level, so the door must not go to the floor. Thus, to ensure any leaked gas is contained.
• The cylinder(s) must be fixed inside the compartment at high and low levels using a cylinder base and/or straps. Additionally, all methods for securing the cylinders must be undoable without the use of a tool.
• The cylinder position must not obscure the regulator, isolation valves or drop out vents.
• Its location must not be above or within 250mm of the exhaust. Because, the exhaust can cause heat through the floor and into the cylinder, increasing the pressure inside.
• Cables can be routed through the compartment, but there must be no exposed joints in the cable.
• There must be no joins in conduit or trunking routed through the compartment.
• Any holes in the compartment must be sealed.

Cylinder Compartment Ventilation​

• The ventilation free area must be equivalent to at least 2% of the floor area of the compartment. A typical 50mm drop out vent will provide 800mm² of free area.
• A cylinder less than 7kg can use a 20mm drop out vent (internal access compartment only).

FREE Safety Guide to Campervan Gas Regulations UK 2023​

Cylinder Compartment​

• Gas cylinders must be stored in a sealed compartment from the living space.
• Maximum of 2 cylinders with a capacity of 16kgs each.
• The compartment must have a 50mm upstand at low level, so the door must not go to the floor. Thus, to ensure any leaked gas is contained.
• The cylinder(s) must be fixed inside the compartment at high and low levels using a cylinder base and/or straps. Additionally, all methods for securing the cylinders must be undoable without the use of a tool.
• The cylinder position must not obscure the regulator, isolation valves or drop out vents.
• Its location must not be above or within 250mm of the exhaust. Because, the exhaust can cause heat through the floor and into the cylinder, increasing the pressure inside.
• Cables can be routed through the compartment, but there must be no exposed joints in the cable.
• There must be no joins in conduit or trunking routed through the compartment.
• Any holes in the compartment must be sealed.

Cylinder Compartment Ventilation​

• The ventilation free area must be equivalent to at least 2% of the floor area of the compartment. A typical 50mm drop out vent will provide 800mm² of free area.
• A cylinder less than 7kg can use a 20mm drop out vent (internal access compartment only).

Unfortunately whilst I am sure the writer did this article with good intentions it is incorrect pretty much from the beginning
Old standards are quoted and it’s full of errors.
It’s why most people stay clear of producing such articles as the research required is massive and expensive if you are going to purchase the relevant standards to quote

 

[Madcaravanner]

I have a full check of the van on my Habitation check every year - mobile Approved Workshop which is due next week
Which threw up when my GasIt system was one year old that half the pipework was showing deterioration and needed changing
2021 he noticed a missing baffle from under the cooker - then we found it at the rear of the space - left me to fabricate a new one which he commented last year that he would get me to make a few for him as it was a neat job - told him where to go it was a real pig to fit

 

[pappajohn]

Crikey O' Reilly - Hymer 2005 so 28 years old

Damn, I lost 10 year of my life.
2005 is 18 years.

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[scotjimland]

Old standards are quoted and it’s full of errors.

Electrical Regs are the same.. they change and get updated all the time..

Perhaps you could correct or mark any entries that are glaringly incorrect or out of date ..and especially any that are dangerous ?

I appreciate that takes time but would be much appreciated and a benefit all.

If not, thanks for pointing this out ..

 

[Machbuster]

luckily for us my nephew is a gas engineer and checks our system periodically, i read this today and it has provoked me to ask the question

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/campervan-engulfed-flames-caernarfon-27953780

Presumably that is one of the purposes of the Hab Check is it not?

It is a safety issue to have it inspected regularly. I can inform you that in Germany a two year inspection is mandatory. As for other nationalities visiting a German campsite they might require proof of inspection within the last two years, and in case you cannot prove this they might not accept you on site.

 

[Basildog]

Is that in the advisory Code of Practice issued by the industry mouthpiece, just checking as Flogas just do a visual inspection on my house LPG tank, they do not replace anything after 10 or 20 years.

All the relevant industry standards are very clear that at 10 years your tank / cylinder will need go be inspected and tested which includes the replacement of the valves.
I honestly don’t have any interest in what you choose to do ,but your arrogance just reinforces the fact that I may well personally inspect every single gas installation before allowing a refill.

 

[Roby2008]

It is a safety issue to have it inspected regularly. I can inform you that in Germany a two year inspection is mandatory. As for other nationalities visiting a German campsite they might require proof of inspection within the last two years, and in case you cannot prove this they might not accept you on site.

Correct ,both my MH's came gas certified from new, I have been asked once for proof of inspection in 10 yrs, I just showed them the Tüv (Gas) sticker on the van, I am happy with the system other than with a new van the Tüv (MOT) starts at 3 yrs with the gas at 2 yrs, so a trip to Tüv every year (€ )
If you are regular visitors to Germany, it might be worth having an inspection/certification done here every 2 years.

 

[Foxycow]

luckily for us my nephew is a gas engineer and checks our system periodically, i read this today and it has provoked me to ask the question

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/campervan-engulfed-flames-caernarfon-27953780

Just had my habitation check by a very competent company who build all the mobile banks in Scotland they found the middle strap of three for the gas tank was corroded, being fixed before winterisation.