Does anyone have a dish washer, washing machine or clothes dryer in their MH?

[CustomBuild]

I fitted all the above in my last two homes on wheels but the weight limits weren’t as critical as they appear to be in the EU/UK and I had more physical space to play with.

When deciding on our new MH at Caravan Salon last year one of our main focuses was on how I can make the various modifications that I have in mind. Basically if there wasn’t space for those appliances we crossed the vehicle off the list.

With the MH delivery date now getting closer I am starting to look for suitable appliances that I can work with.

If anyone has any recommendations for light and compact units I’d love to know the details.

 

[optimus-prime]

I also have the bob dishwasher. Works well, except when you get hard water, as it doesn’t have a space for salt. As a washing machine I have the HAIER HW50-BP12307 MINI. Very pleased with it.

 

[Jonno1103]

But what does your MH weigh when you’re setting out on a trip?

I know the weight of the vehicle including all of the accessories I've fitted. On any trip it'll get to a max of 3485kg on average. I've even weighed my socks as I want the payload for more important stuff like an Ooni gas pizza oven (12.8kg), Ninja BBQ (12kg), Cadac 2 cook (6kg) & air fryer(8kg), dishwasher(11kg).

I bet no one even knows the weight of the chairs they carry, mine's huge, an Outwell Grand Canyon and weighs 6.1kg. Wife's is 4kg.

Consider all that kit, it weighs less than 60kg. Add the 50L portable fridge (18.1kg and the Ecoflow Delta 2 (12.5kg) & battery (9.5kg) it's bang on 100kg.

My clothes weigh on average 15kg, wife's 10kg... add the dog, 32kg. I could go on & on but as you're all already asleep????

 

[Barriesimpson]

Not really We drive a 7.3m 3500kg motorhome under weight everywhere and carry everything but the kitchen sink. Granted you can't realistically get a family moho for 3500kg but for 2 there are hundreds to choose from.

The EU doesn't require mainland Europe built motorhomes to be weighed individually prior to delivery, you don't get a Mass in Service figure. For UK built vans it's law.

90% of motorhomes aren't built for fulltiming, some will even void the warranty if you do so. Most are built for recreational use meaning you're not supposed be carrying your worldly possessions.

In terms of payload, no one weighs anything they carry, they tend to just go with how heavy their chairs & BBQ's feel when lifting. Most would be surprised how light modern camping, caravanning & motorhoming equipment & accessories are.

I'm off to Roller Team in Poggibonsi on Monday to drive a van back to the UK from the factory and need to take a wheel brace to check the studs on hand over. In my hand it feels very heavy - I need to get it in my 20kg max suitcase. In reality it weighs 1.1kg.

I go by whats factual on the paperwork not on someone's opinion, the same as the authorities do. Roller Team UK market the Zefiro 675 at 2965kg. The import paperwork, which is what the DVLA & import office in Calais care about states 2800kg.

All that is fine, but what does your van actually weigh? I had mine weighed shortly after picking it up and with no fresh or waste water, half a tank of diesel, full tank of AdBlue, 2x 14kg full propane bottles, most of the clothes etc. we would be using, some food and drink supplies and crucially, no wife in the van, it came in at bang on 3.500kg. My missus only weighs around 58kg and the water tank is 100L, so we are overweight as soon as we pull away.

 

[CustomBuild]

I'd not buy a motorhome without a weighbridge certificate.

This issue has been going on for years, it worse on the mainland EU, as many drivers do not have C1 licences so are limited to 3.5t vehicles.
It is very difficult to get a vehicle over 6.5m and 2 beds and keep it under 3.5t loaded
(Actually it's almost impossible), yet there are tens (hundreds?) of thousands of motorhomes travelling around Europe plated at 3.5t but actually weighing substantially more.

Cost of EHU:
In the UK a camp site owner can not 'sell' electricity.
They can provide it, and charge at cost.

Therefore the cost in the UK is about 27p/KWH
Some campsites may have a fixed commercial tariff, which depending on when they fixed the price, may be higher or lower

Some sites include EHU.
Other sites include say 4 kw and then charge whatever used over that.
and other sites will simply charge for what you use.

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Thanks for all the details.

I guess I’ll find out soon enough what the actual weight of the MH is and what answers the dealer gives me regarding any difference between the paperwork and the actual weight.

I wonder if insurance companies use weight as a way to avoid paying out after accidents or theft in the event of vehicle recovery?

All in all the whole subject appears to indicate deliberate misrepresentation throughout the industry.

If my MH is overweight, ie. not as stated on the sales paperwork I further wonder if the UK registration process will have any issues. I really just wanted to relax and travel in peace and quiet without getting involved in legal issues and bureaucracy.

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[CustomBuild]

We bought Bob direct from France and chose it as it's narrower but taller - some of them won't fit a pint glass - and has good place setting volume. It uses just over 3L of cold water per wash which you fill through the top using the jug provided. Bob weighs 11kg.

We often use it outside in the summer when in the van as the Cadac 2 cook grill plates go straight in with plates etc. If you drop/remove some of the place setting frame you can also squeeze a Ninja BBQ grill plate in too... no grease to clog the vans waste pipes. A deconstructed Ridge Monkey fits too.

It's been cleaning our Corelle plates etc for 4 years now without fading the design.

Thanks for the details.

I especially liked the weight or lack thereof, and the lower water consumption.

 

[CustomBuild]

Not really We drive a 7.3m 3500kg motorhome under weight everywhere and carry everything but the kitchen sink. Granted you can't realistically get a family moho for 3500kg but for 2 there are hundreds to choose from.

The EU doesn't require mainland Europe built motorhomes to be weighed individually prior to delivery, you don't get a Mass in Service figure. For UK built vans it's law.

90% of motorhomes aren't built for fulltiming, some will even void the warranty if you do so. Most are built for recreational use meaning you're not supposed be carrying your worldly possessions.

In terms of payload, no one weighs anything they carry, they tend to just go with how heavy their chairs & BBQ's feel when lifting. Most would be surprised how light modern camping, caravanning & motorhoming equipment & accessories are.

I'm off to Roller Team in Poggibonsi on Monday to drive a van back to the UK from the factory and need to take a wheel brace to check the studs on hand over. In my hand it feels very heavy - I need to get it in my 20kg max suitcase. In reality it weighs 1.1kg.

I go by whats factual on the paperwork not on someone's opinion, the same as the authorities do. Roller Team UK market the Zefiro 675 at 2965kg. The import paperwork, which is what the DVLA & import office in Calais care about states 2800kg.

Reading your comments gave me a distinct sigh of relief.

I was getting quite concerned about how a Germany dealer can sell French made products with grossly misrepresented numbers. The numbers that I saw were certainly very specific including each and every factory fitted accessory with the corresponding adjustment to the total vehicle weight and remaining potential carrying capacity.

Oh, and actually I do weigh every single item taken out or placed in on every trip. That’s not perfectly true because I did guess passports and a few other small items, but they are in the spreadsheet with an assigned weight just the same. I even weigh the food as I haul it in at the start of a trip and make marginal adjustments as that changes. It was easy to do because my checklist is a spreadsheet so I only needed an extra column.

 

[Autoroute]

I quite like the random chats at the campsite washing up station.

 

[TDub49]

Not really We drive a 7.3m 3500kg motorhome under weight everywhere and carry everything but the kitchen sink. Granted you can't realistically get a family moho for 3500kg but for 2 there are hundreds to choose from.

The EU doesn't require mainland Europe built motorhomes to be weighed individually prior to delivery, you don't get a Mass in Service figure. For UK built vans it's law.

90% of motorhomes aren't built for fulltiming, some will even void the warranty if you do so. Most are built for recreational use meaning you're not supposed be carrying your worldly possessions.

In terms of payload, no one weighs anything they carry, they tend to just go with how heavy their chairs & BBQ's feel when lifting. Most would be surprised how light modern camping, caravanning & motorhoming equipment & accessories are.

I'm off to Roller Team in Poggibonsi on Monday to drive a van back to the UK from the factory and need to take a wheel brace to check the studs on hand over. In my hand it feels very heavy - I need to get it in my 20kg max suitcase. In reality it weighs 1.1kg.

I go by whats factual on the paperwork not on someone's opinion, the same as the authorities do. Roller Team UK market the Zefiro 675 at 2965kg. The import paperwork, which is what the DVLA & import office in Calais care about states 2800kg.

So how do you cope without a sink?

 

[CustomBuild]

All that is fine, but what does your van actually weigh? I had mine weighed shortly after picking it up and with no fresh or waste water, half a tank of diesel, full tank of AdBlue, 2x 14kg full propane bottles, most of the clothes etc. we would be using, some food and drink supplies and crucially, no wife in the van, it came in at bang on 3.500kg. My missus only weighs around 58kg and the water tank is 100L, so we are overweight as soon as we pull away.

What was your original documented weight at delivery and how much carrying capacity (or whatever it’s called) did you have? Do you believe it was misrepresented leading you to reach 3,500kg even without your wife and a tank of water?

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[Barriesimpson]

What was your original documented weight at delivery and how much carrying capacity (or whatever it’s called) did you have? Do you believe it was misrepresented leading you to reach 3,500kg even without your wife and a tank of water?

On the documentation it states 3.071 MMTA but that would be without leisure batteries, awning, solar panels etc. which all adds up. I think it does include 50% water and the driver (80kg). So I'm not sure you could call it misrepresentation, but it certainly isn't all together transparent either.

 

[CustomBuild]

On the documentation it states 3.071 MMTA but that would be without leisure batteries, awning, solar panels etc. which all adds up. I think it does include 50% water and the driver (80kg). So I'm not sure you could call it misrepresentation, but it certainly isn't all together transparent either.

Thanks for that additional info, much appreciated.

I didn’t find the definition of MMTA but guess it’s the initial base weight and as you said once you add batteries, awning etc. etc. they do indeed soon add up.

 

[Barriesimpson]

Thanks for that additional info, much appreciated.

I didn’t find the definition of MMTA but guess it’s the initial base weight and as you said once you add batteries, awning etc. etc. they do indeed soon add up.

MMTA is the weight used to classify the vehicle, so theoretically it is the 'in running order' weight and therefor including 50% fuel and a driver. Unfortunately, the driver is taken at 80kg and I am a little over that, so even less weight available for wine

 

[Brains]

Thanks for all the details.

I guess I’ll find out soon enough what the actual weight of the MH is and what answers the dealer gives me regarding any difference between the paperwork and the actual weight.

I wonder if insurance companies use weight as a way to avoid paying out after accidents or theft in the event of vehicle recovery?

All in all the whole subject appears to indicate deliberate misrepresentation throughout the industry.

If my MH is overweight, ie. not as stated on the sales paperwork I further wonder if the UK registration process will have any issues. I really just wanted to relax and travel in peace and quiet without getting involved in legal issues and bureaucracy.

Insurance companies the world over will use ANY excuse to either short pay, or get out of paying altogether.
Every company even have a specialist team called the 'Average Adjusters' to do exactly that.

Therefore as you drive off the dealers forecourt, go to the nearest public weighbridge and get the real weight of the vehicle.
Not just total weight, get front and rear axles as well.
It will the best £15 you spend that week.

 

[TheMobileWanderer]

We have a portable clothes drier.

Em, aren't all clothes portable?!

I'll get me coat.

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[stewartwebr]

Yes, we have both a washing machine and a dishwasher

 

[CustomBuild]

Yes, we have both a washing machine and a dishwasherView attachment 1020545View attachment 1020546

Both units look very nice, good for you.

Do you happen to know the make and model of the washing machine?

 

[TheMobileWanderer]

Yes, we have both a washing machine and a dishwasherView attachment 1020545View attachment 1020546

Curious: Is that a Fisher & Paykel dishwasher?

 

[optimus-prime]

Both units look very nice, good for you.

Do you happen to know the make and model of the washing machine?

I believe they are both factory fitted. I retrofitted both of mine and I was looking for the same models, but couldn’t find any of them for sale in Central Europe stores. If you can find that dishwasher and you have the space to fit it, I believe it is way superior to the bob. The washing machine on the other hand, you need to have a strong wall to attach it to, and the capacity is smaller than the Haier I posted above. But obviously the Haier is larger and heavier… so in the end it comes down to the spaces and weight you have available.

Edit: just googled Fisher & Paykel as advised above and apparently you can find the dishwasher drawer in Europe…. It looks like I didn’t know what to search for last year . Going now to the MH if the drawer fits, I’ll get rid of bob (although it would be a petty because we named the washing machine Dylan…. Fischer Dylan will sound strange….)

 

[stewartwebr]

Curious: Is that a Fisher & Paykel dishwasher?

Yes, spot on, great bit of kit. This is my third one and never had an issue with any of them

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[EuroTrotters]

I fitted a Candy Compact Aqua 10t washing machine in our first Motorhome. But it did have a massive payload.

Also have fitted one of these in our Hymer caravan.

Full-Automatic Portable Washer with 6 Programs and 3 Water Level

This washer with full-automatic system enables seamless cleaning and spin-drying of clothes with just a single click

www.costway.co.uk

 

[EuroTrotters]

Yes, spot on, great bit of kit. This is my third one and never had an issue with any of them

I used to repair those, idiosyncratic machines and a pain to work on.

Repaired one for the sister of the guy who designed them. She lives in Dukunfield, he lives in NZ

 

[WESTY66]

we have brought a twin tub with us on our Spanish trip for 3 months, it has never been out of the garage and is taking up valuable space, as every where we have been there is a launderette where you can get all your washing washed and dried for about 8 euro,s
we will not be taking one on our next trip.

8 euros whilst in Spain!!!!

I’ll be blummin putting our washer in the garage at those prices, we have free power (well it is if you ignore the initial cost) and hopefully the sun and a breeze will be present
8 euros………..

 

[CleverTrevorUK]

My good friend did but she divorced him for a newer model!

 

[Onemanandhisdog]

I've always wondered how what I would call normal front loading washing machines stand up to life on the road as they usually come with some sort of drum locking bars for transport when new.

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[CustomBuild]

I fitted a Candy Compact Aqua 10t washing machine in our first Motorhome. But it did have a massive payload.

Also have fitted one of these in our Hymer caravan.

Full-Automatic Portable Washer with 6 Programs and 3 Water Level

This washer with full-automatic system enables seamless cleaning and spin-drying of clothes with just a single click

www.costway.co.uk

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That’s the exact same unit, under a different brand name, that I fitted in my last two RV’s.

They both had minor issues but kept washing and spinning reliably. The current unit was in full time use from Jan 2021 to Oct 2024 which strikes me as pretty good for an inexpensive MIC machine.

 

[Garry - June]

we have the plastic twin tub variety in the garage ... cost around £90 and paid for itself 3 or 4 times over the past few years.... brilliant bit of kit.

 

[CustomBuild]

I've always wondered how what I would call normal front loading washing machines stand up to life on the road as they usually come with some sort of drum locking bars for transport when new.

I’m guessing the front loaders designed for motorhomes etc must auto lock.

On my top loader, not designed for motorhomes, I surrounded the machine with a light wooden foam covered frame near the top to stop any shaking about while on the road. The inner washer barrel is held in place with the manufacturers original foam insert that I specifically kept for travel. After 23,910 miles it’s still working perfectly.

 

[A S R]

I have one of those twin tub washing machines in my motorhome. It sits perfectly in the shower tray in its polystyrene base that it came in. It doesn’t slide about at all. Bought it years ago and it’s still going strong. The spin drier side is extremely effective at getting 95% of the water out. I then hang everything up on the 3 washing lines I put in the roof of the heated garage. Perfect!

 

[CustomBuild]

we have the plastic twin tub variety in the garage ... cost around £90 and paid for itself 3 or 4 times over the past few years.... brilliant bit of kit.

I think the money saving is great and the sheer convenience of having the equipment to hand 24/7 is priceless.

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[Onemanandhisdog]

I’m guessing the front loaders designed for motorhomes etc must auto lock.

On my top loader, not designed for motorhomes, I surrounded the machine with a light wooden foam covered frame near the top to stop any shaking about while on the road. The inner washer barrel is held in place with the manufacturers original foam insert that I specifically kept for travel. After 23,910 miles it’s still working perfectly.

Seen quite a few of the small Zanussi front loaders in motorhomes that aren't motorhome specific.