Do your travel plans correspond with your vaccine status

[P Bentley]

Given the subject of a couple of recent threads, the following maybe of interest to some:-

"France joined Spain and Denmark last week in requiring anyone who completed their vaccination jabs more than 270 days ago to have a booster to enter the country – or be considered unvaccinated. Austria requires boosters after 180 days.

It means that any of the 18 million people in the UK who had their second dose before mid-May in 2021 would need to have been boosted if they travel to those countries on Saturday, 12 February. Only 65% of over 12s have had the booster

People travelling to Italy, Croatia and Switzerland, will not face the same border checks but may find it harder to go to restaurants, museums and other indoor venues if they have not been boosted."

Bucket, spade and a pile of red tape: UK travellers warned about Covid rule traps

Tourists who had their jabs more than 270 days ago need a booster to enter France, Spain and Denmark

www.theguardian.com

 

[glenn2926]

Our family have had to have our vaccinations against our wishes to go to the States for May. We have booked to go to Germany in August (if the new motorhome turns up) but after seeing that some of Europe if saying you can only come in if your boosted it looks like if Germany goes that way we will be stopping in England again, but there are lots of nice places to go in England.

Nobody forced you to have the vaccinations against your wishes. You chose to visit there. The old adage is it’s their country, their rules. Why you think you and yours should be exempt from those rules I don’t know. This may come as a shock to you but, you’re not special, the world doesn’t revolve around you.

 

[bexleyjohn]

We have been into Europe twice in the last 12 months and on neither occasion did anyone at border controls ask to see anything other than passports! Neither did the French bother to check if we had any foodstuffs we shouldn’t have had! Some restaurants asked to see testing evidence but others didn’t bother! Good eh?

 

[Coolcats]

The uk rule to NOT vaccinate under 12’s has wrecked my son’s family holiday plans! Their son isn’t 12 til end June , meaning they can’t get him double jabbed (plus 2 weeks gap) before the summer school holidays end ….. so another year of staycationing

Maybe your son could leave the under 12 with yourself and have a child free break. You get to see the grand child and they get a week or two of freedom……I know not everyone would like such an arrangement but it could be positive for some.

 

[Gunn1707]

Maybe if everyone who was eligible to have the booster (65% havent) had it then there wouldn’t be an issue?
It’s obviously a personal choice but no point in moaning when restrictions are placed because of it.
Unfortunately at the moment there’s a pandemic and countries can make their own rules to help protect people.

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[Garfields]

We have been into Europe twice in the last 12 months and on neither occasion did anyone at border controls ask to see anything other than passports! Neither did the French bother to check if we had any foodstuffs we shouldn’t have had! Some restaurants asked to see testing evidence but others didn’t bother! Good eh?

Just like here then or Scotland anyway
Some places very stringent re making sure everyone logged in etc others not so
We have been away skiing and other than needing to prove vac status for lift pass to work if you were in your ski gear you weren't asked.
I assume they worked on the theory if you were skiing you had a checked pass
We were asked for proof if out in the village though
Like everything you just have to assess if you are happy to be in a place based on your own assesments of risk.

 

[Momac]

We have been into Europe twice in the last 12 months and on neither occasion did anyone at border controls ask to see anything other than passports! Neither did the French bother to check if we had any foodstuffs we shouldn’t have had! Some restaurants asked to see testing evidence but others didn’t bother! Good eh?

Would you mind me asking whether you sailed or tunnelled? And with whom? Many thanks.

 

[Richard J]

It’ll all ‘die’ down soon as this moves to being an endemic disease.

Maybe; "Nature"; COVID-19: endemic doesn’t mean harmless

 

[Grianan]

Maybe if everyone who was eligible to have the booster (65% havent) had it then there wouldn’t be an issue?
It’s obviously a personal choice but no point in moaning when restrictions are placed because of it.
Unfortunately at the moment there’s a pandemic and countries can make their own rules to help protect people.

I think one thing this pandemic has done is to highlight the difference between private health and public health and the interaction with individual rights.

For instance, a person has a right not to have the Booster vaccination (or any for that matter).
But we do know that ICU Covid cases are now mainly (as in almost all) people who have had no, 1 or 2 vaccines. So that individual right has a public cost and may also prevent fully vaccinated people from accessing the healthcare they need.

These are philosophical / political decisions. What I would say is that in the circles I interact with, people are fed up of restrictions for all and are now voicing openly a preference for restrictions for those who choose not to be vaccinated and no restrictions for those who are.

Who knows where this will all lead. Unfortunately it’s come at a time when the UK has become more polarised politically and people are less willing to accommodate others’ viewpoints.

 

[P Bentley]

In response to the "we had to be vaccinated against our wishes" comment
Garfields says
"Sorry you have not been forced to do anything
No one is making you go to the States"

Exactly

I have no issue with people deciding not to get vaccinated, because it is themselves they are leaving at risk, but complaining about vaccine travel protocol introduced around the globe is (imo) a complete waste of time.

Different countries have introduced a C19 vaccine protocol often enforced and checked by airlines / shipping companies, and if you want to travel to those countries you have to meet that protocol.
No one is being forced to do anything against their will, because if you don't want a vaccine then don't travel to where they are required
This has been the case for the last 45 years that I have been travelling the world for a living, there have been a load of countries that unless you had Yellow Fever vaccine certificate (for example) you could not travel and if unable to produce certificate on arrive either had to be injected there and there or be held until the next flight out. Of course that was before the profusion of medical experts produced by google.

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[Anjistar]

Having recently returned from skiing in France, admittedly not with a minor, our experience is that they check covid passes at the first lift up for a while first thing in the morning, after that they don't. They have compromised on masks in lift queues - imagine how long it would take for everyone to remove their helmets, put the mask on, put the helmet back on, while handling ski poles etc, so now a buff is accepted there, but it was never enforced that we could see. However, restaurants all checked our passes as we entered or after we had sat down at a table.

 

[Garfields]

Heading off topic as usual
Re ski helmets and masks
A couple of buttons stitched onto the outside of the ear covers made getting masks on and off a lot simpler
Most of the time we skied with masks on as it was somewhat cold

 

[cyberyacht]

jako999 Have you refused to ever have any vaccine whatsoever. If not, why pick on this one? As others have said, you may find your movements quite curtailed in future.

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[steve69]

Here in Wales, last time I checked - about 4 weeks ago - the NHS weren't issuing certificate proof of the booster jab. So what now?