Crit Air Stickers - the french dont seem to be bothering

[funflair]

@Appollo51 - why should the form be in English, it is for use in France Oh Please!. You mayhavenotseen it on the news but Palmerston died in 1865.

The French do not waste my money translating every bureaucratic form into umpteen languages just in case.

Unless they are trying to sell the product outside France.

Martin

 

[nicholsong]

Thinking this through, most countries now have ANPR. If you are registered in that country they know everything about you automatically in seconds. If you are not registered they don't.

Anecdotally I was speaking to a swiss couple who have been caught in UK by not being registered. They inadvertently strayed into the LEZ in their brand new Carthago, so compliant vehicle = no charge, but because its not registered to UK the LEZ people are chasing and have asked Switzerland who have supplied their details and are demanding a fine that has now risen to £1800.

Be interesting to go back to the law which established the LEZ and find out whether there is a requirement in it for foreign-registered vehicles to be registered with Tfl, or whether was just introduced by Tfl for their convenience, in which case it may be unenforcable.

Geoff

 

[MisterB]

We drove round the Champes Elysee last october without a sticker - even down a few side streets to double back on ourselves. No sticker no fine. We then bought a sticker but are now selling the van. So the french authorities will have our details on a van we dont own. How will they work that out i wonder ...

 

[Appollo51]

Well have spent the last 2 days trying to scan the doc small enuf!!! Success it's done. Should just have gone to Scotland lol.

 

[Madcaravanner]

@Appollo51 - why should the form be in English, it is for use in France Oh Please!. You mayhavenotseen it on the news but Palmerston died in 1865.

The French do not waste my money translating every bureaucratic form into umpteen languages just in case.

WRONG
in light of equality it is produced in every language of the EU (which we are just still in)

AND those who go into areas where it is needed are now buying the sticker especially as they are now starting to get fined for not having one

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[suavecarve]

I've bought a sticker anyway, though I completed the purchase before applying for a weight upgrade past 3.5t.

Sir, that is brilliant.

 

[suavecarve]

We drove round the Champes Elysee last october without a sticker - even down a few side streets to double back on ourselves. No sticker no fine. We then bought a sticker but are now selling the van. So the french authorities will have our details on a van we dont own. How will they work that out i wonder ...

Quite easily if they need to.
They are entitled to the information for offences which if you have committed one they may go after. Have heard of some well over 6 months later. I believe it is up to a year before they need to contact you rather than the 14 days to receive a NIP in the UK.
PNC will have your details attached to the vehicle for the time of the offence, and then your address. I suspect they wont even contact the current owner to require them to name you, but if they do your information is on the V5 as the previous keeper.
Sorry to be the bearer of potential bad news.
The good news side of things is they will have noted you bought a sticker after the time of the suspected offence, so may see it as mistake rectified

 

[Zigisla]

We drove round the Champes Elysee last october without a sticker - even down a few side streets to double back on ourselves. No sticker no fine. We then bought a sticker but are now selling the van. So the french authorities will have our details on a van we dont own. How will they work that out i wonder ...

AFAIK, you don't need these stickers all the time. They restrict which vehicles can enter the city / area during times of high smog etc. Then a board is displayed with Crit air and the number. Only that number or lower is permitted until the restriction is lifted.

 

[WynandJean]

Took me bloody ages to work out how to shrink our V5 doc to enable us to e-mail it to the Crit Air office, in fact I was border line bald with frustration at the time, tears nearly!
Now you tell me The French aint fussed about having it!
Sacre Bleu
Les

I scanned ours in Black and White which made the file size much less and that did the trick.

Wyn

 

[TinaLes]

I scanned ours in Black and White which made the file size much less and that did the trick.

Wyn

Dont, just Dont!, get me started, the memories still linger, the air was Blue for a week I can tell ya!
In the end it was easier to take a photo with the phone, reduce image on phone, then upload to PC, then send on e-mail link.
Most others had a crop feature on windows 10 that I could not find, and now I dont wanna know about it
Then to find out The Froggies are not bothering to get one....well
Les

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[Allanm]

Then by that opinion the French government are in the same boat.
When the French government stop using data gained illegally from French companies running services for the UK government in the UK, to track down & attempt to fine people in the UK, for offences committed in France you can criminalise the op. Until then alls fair in love & war.
If it is ok for a government to work flankers then it is a free for all for everyone.

Sort of agree and don’t with you here.
Not right that details should be gained illicitly, but if you commit an offence in another country, you should expect, at some point, that it will catch up with you.
I suppose the next step could be to detain foreign vehicles leaving a country to establish if the drivers have committed any offences, then fine you on the spot before you leave.

Could be a nice little earner for the UK government seeing as they don’t seem to chase foreign vehicles for speeding or parking offences.

 

[gus-lopez]

Thinking this through, most countries now have ANPR. If you are registered in that country they know everything about you automatically in seconds. If you are not registered they don't.

Anecdotally I was speaking to a swiss couple who have been caught in UK by not being registered. They inadvertently strayed into the LEZ in their brand new Carthago, so compliant vehicle = no charge, but because its not registered to UK the LEZ people are chasing and have asked Switzerland who have supplied their details and are demanding a fine that has now risen to £1800.

They actually need to make a complaint to the EU on the grounds that it is discrimination as in all other EU states requiring stickers /registration everyone has to do it ,nationals & foreigners whereas in the UK only foreigners are required to do so & unless you access the TFL site there is no advertising of the fact anywhere other than on their.

Be interesting to go back to the law which established the LEZ and find out whether there is a requirement in it for foreign-registered vehicles to be registered with Tfl, or whether was just introduced by Tfl for their convenience, in which case it may be unenforcable.

Geoff

Exactly.

 

[jongood]

WRONG
in light of equality it is produced in every language of the EU (which we are just still in)

AND those who go into areas where it is needed are now buying the sticker especially as they are now starting to get fined for not having one

So do you have a link to a report/know of of a foreigner being fined?

I ask because we ve been travelling Morocco for the past few weeks where there are hundreds if not thousands of French CC's hardly any of which have Crit Air stickers. I have asked a few why not and get the impression that they don't really believe its going to take off and don't seem even to know about the ZPADs.

 

[Madcaravanner]

So do you have a link to a report/know of of a foreigner being fined?

I ask because we ve been travelling Morocco for the past few weeks where there are hundreds if not thousands of French CC's hardly any of which have Crit Air stickers. I have asked a few why not and get the impression that they don't really believe its going to take off and don't seem even to know about the ZPADs.

AH Typical French
if they don't think a law will work they ignore it and it goes away (remember breathalysers) - not got nay paper work on how many fines issued just reports from English people living in France hearing about it in the local rags but got to agree there is very little hard copy on anything about which areas are restricted and which are not unlike here in the UK where to enter an area would cost an arm and leg there seems to be very little in place over here

 

[jimdob]

AFAIK, you don't need these stickers all the time. They restrict which vehicles can enter the city / area during times of high smog etc. Then a board is displayed with Crit air and the number. Only that number or lower is permitted until the restriction is lifted.

So you do get a warning to avoid these places and their are ways to go round?

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[jimdob]

Are these crit airs photo enforced or do you have to be stopped by the gendarmes?

 

[Zigisla]

So you do get a warning to avoid these places and their are ways to go round?

That’s how I read it on their website with my very limited French. @yodeli is your go to girl

 

[yodeli]

Send me the link to the website you've been on , I can't leave the little ones! They know when I'm not looking Grrrrrrr!

I can't recall any sign saying how to avoid the non authorised zone and I 've been next to Paris with my old motorhome. Now being French, I probably got blind.... ignoring the signs .... mmmm typical French someone said

 

[jimdob]

Send me the link to the website you've been on , I can't leave the little ones! They know when I'm not looking Grrrrrrr!

I can't recall any sign saying how to avoid the non authorised zone and I 've been next to Paris with my old motorhome. Now being French, I probably got blind.... ignoring the signs .... mmmm typical French someone said

I have managed to order a crit air sticker, after what feels like a lifetime on line lol. I don’t think I will be here (uk) to get it . So not sure if it’s much good.

 

[Zigisla]

Found an English version. I think this was the one.
https://www.crit-air.fr/en/informat...tal-zones-zcr/french-environmental-zones.html

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[klaatu]

I have managed to order a crit air sticker, after what feels like a lifetime on line lol. I don’t think I will be here (uk) to get it . So not sure if it’s much good.

They should have sent you an email with one you can print and use until the real one arrives.

 

[jongood]

So you do get a warning to avoid these places and their are ways to go round?

Thats the other issue, the only way to find out as a foreigner is to get an app? My Blackberry likes apps like I like umwelt stickers.

 

[yodeli]

Apparently it is also in Toulouse! Blimey !!!! But never mind you can see Balma on the left side of their map and I'm OUT of it.
Anyway... as I said I have never seen signs saying stop or go this way to avoid the restricted zone. I think it is still such an unknown law, that the Gendarmes are very very cool with us, so why not with the Brits!
@jimdob Don't worry about it too much. Make sure you don't drink alcohol before driving which will always be the most important thing, along with a safe and insured vehicle!
Enjoy your trip!
If you still feel uncomfortable , PM me and I'll give you my mobile phone number in case you need help.

 

[jimdob]

Apparently it is also in Toulouse! Blimey !!!! But never mind you can see Balma on the left side of their map and I'm OUT of it.
Anyway... as I said I have never seen signs saying stop or go this way to avoid the restricted zone. I think it is still such an unknown law, that the Gendarmes are very very cool with us, so why not with the Brits!
@jimdob Don't worry about it too much. Make sure you don't drink alcohol before driving which will always be the most important thing, along with a safe and insured vehicle!
Enjoy your trip!
If you still feel uncomfortable , PM me and I'll give you my mobile phone number in case you need help.

Thank you

 

[jimdob]

They should have sent you an email with one you can print and use until the real one arrives.

The email I have received says it’s currently being processed, maybe tomorrow.

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