Covid in Scotland......

[IRHP]

The travel advice doesn’t mention local authority areas. It says not to travel to or from a higher tier to a lower one.

Yes it does, click on the link I provided and you will see

“ If you live in a Level 3 local authority area you should:

• avoid any unnecessary travel out of the area
• if you have to travel for essential purposes, follow the guidance on travelling safely below “

 

[Potty]

Maybe similar conditions do exist in England but 2 wrongs don’t make a right! Conditions like this do not belong in this country but obviously you are one of those who believe the SNP can do no wrong.

Have just been informed that the system used by NHS Scotland to roll out the flu vaccine was based on the system used for vaccinations for babies, which calls in the youngest first. That explains why at 75+ we haven’t had our appointment letter yet but others younger have. God help us if NHS Scotland is in charge of giving the Covid vaccine.

 

[Wildbill]

 

[Otter Spotter]

In our local news publicans in Dumfries have stated that trying to interpret the rules is like learning mandarin!

What do they need Mandarin for? Are they going to start selling Chinese food? If so they only need to count up to 49

 

[monzer]

First of all I am impressed we have got to to 2 pages with out anyone mentioning 'wee krankie'.

Secondly the rules regarding the different tiers in Scotland are only as complicated as you want to make it.

I went on to the official .gov site:

Found my location (Aberdeenshire) and confirmed we are tier level 2 then clicked on it for this menu:

If you want to know the rules on socialising indoors, click on that:

Max 2 households, no more than 6 people etc etc... all pretty straight forward.

Want to know if you can go to the kirk? Click on that:

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[Grianan]

Apparently us plague ridden sods in S.Ayrshire are on the cusp of going into Tier 4. So last night I grabbed a beer and had a go at reading the webpages ... got bored / confused and gave up after 5 minutes.

I am struggling to understand why.
According to travelling Tabby the South Ayrshire 7 day rates per 100k population are about 20-25 less than East and North Ayrshire who apparently might go down to 2.

 

[Potty]

Do you seriously believe the snp are to blame for an ambulance depot needing work done?

Wow you really are stretching

The ambulance service is part of the NHS, which is the responsibility of the SNP government. If they are not ultimately responsible for the premises their staff work in, who is?

And in response to another of your posts, dementia isn’t restricted to the elderly.

 

[WillH]

It seems that from Friday travelling from Scotland into England will be illegal, apparently it is already illegal to travel in the opposite direction.

 

[Googlebot]

It would appear so, for three weeks initially.

That might scupper our Christmas plans then, it’s a nightmare trying to find out what’s legal where and it changes as soon as you get your head round it.

That said as disappointing as constantly cancelling holidays is, we have been very lucky so far with the pandemic.

 

[rangi]

It seems it doesn’t matter what system there is, went to Aldi for some shopping and people everywhere... on the beach having picnics, people in holiday homes, busy roads and plenty around shopping and lots on the trails with bikes...

I think it’s still holidays down here...

Found the same thing meself Gary. Traffic still the same so people ARE going to work, our youngest has 2 jobs, both restaurants , both doing takeaways.

Was in ALDI yesterday about 1100 hrs had to circle car park to get a slot.

Tesco Tolgus , last friday wasn't rammed but was busy

Honestly think that people are now pissed off with it, the amount of times I have heard "London ? hav'n't a clue what the hell is happening here!"

The place is chockerblocker with holiday homes full of 2nd homers escaping the lockdown .

We are more relaxed about the whole thing, no stripped shelves in the supermarkets, people out walking, saying hello to people doing like wise, having a SD yarn, you can tell the locals, they'll stop and have a yarn, the incomers will grunt and hurry on by.

I think the whole country has CV19 BYPASS, and are doing their own thing.

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[Tykatem]

Scotland is bottom of the league on Covid

There are four European countries with populations of five million.

Denmark 5,799,640 757 Covid deaths
Finland 5,545,596 369 Covid deaths
Slovakia 5,462,617 510 Covid deaths
Norway 5,436,637 294 Covid deaths.

Scotland 5,500000? 3280 Covid deaths

Scotland is not listed as a European country, because it is not an independent sovereign nation state, but rather a region of the United Kingdom that happens to be called a country for historical reasons. However, the SNP treat Scotland as if it already were an independent country, so it is reasonable to compare Scotland’s performance with other places of similar size.

There are all sorts of factors that might affect the number of people infected with Covid and the number of people who die in various places around the world.

1. How many people from the initial source of infection, China, travelled to that country in the months before lockdown?

2. Is the country a major tourist destination and does it have a large international airport hub such as Heathrow, Charles de Gaulle, or JFK in New York?

3. Does the country have a mega city like London, New York or Moscow?

4. Does the country contain large numbers of ethnic minorities who are especially vulnerable to Covid?

5. Is the country densely populated or sparsely populated? Covid infections and deaths clearly correlate with how close someone lives to other people.

6. Were elderly people sent from hospital to care homes while infected?

7. Is the population of the country obese?

8. Is the population of the country older than average?

9. Did people follow the lockdown rules and socially distance?

10. What is the quality of healthcare in a country?

Many of these factors cannot be controlled by Government. This makes the comparison between places with very different geographies both unfair and unhelpful. New Zealand clearly as an advantage because it is two and a half thousand miles from Australia and is very sparsely populated and was able to stop people flying from elsewhere.

But a myth has developed in Scotland that Nicola Sturgeon is handling the Covid crisis particularly well and that somehow this shows it would be better if Scotland were independent.

Yet Scotland has a death rate that is ten times as bad as Norway. The SNP have full control over healthcare. They run Scotland’s hospitals and GP services. What’s more Sturgeon has the power to introduce lockdown and decide social distancing rules. She could have decided to introduce lockdown earlier than the UK as a whole. She could have closed Scotland’s airports when we first heard about Covid in January. She must take full responsibility therefore for the fact that Scotland’s death rate is so much higher than countries with similar populations in Europe. This is not least because the very high number of deaths in Scotland are due to Sturgeon’s decision to send elderly people who were sick with Covid back to care homes.

The present increase in Covid cases is mainly due to school children and university students being sent back to school and campus. If Sturgeon had organised schooling and university education properly it would have been possible for school children and students to have been educated remotely online. The SNP wholly control education in Scotland. It was particularly unnecessary to have students return to campus as the vast majority of their teaching is done online at the moment anyway. Instead Sturgeon decided to allow young people to travel to from all over Britain and the rest of the world to attend university and soon they will go back again to infect their families. When people inevitably die from this it will be the SNP’s fault.

Why do so many Scots believe that Nicola Sturgeon is doing a good job. The main reason is that we are not accustomed to comparing ourselves with similarly sized European countries, but with England. This is of course mere prejudice due to the inherent hostility to England that is in so many Scottish hearts and minds.

England’s population is ten times that of Scotland and it is much more multicultural and multiracial than we are. England has the highest population density of the parts of the UK with 432 people per square kilometre while Scotland has the lowest with 70 people per square kilometre.

Scotland has nearly all of the advantages in European terms with regard to Covid. We are surrounded by sea apart from the border with England. Slovakia is bordered by five countries. Scotland has only one major city Glasgow with over half a million people. Compare this to London with nearly 9 million and Moscow with 12.5 million. Most Scottish towns and cities by European standards are tiny.

Sturgeon appears on the TV every day and even people who don’t support independence think she is doing a good job. But this is because the media never compares like with like. We hear nothing about deaths in Slovakia.

Sturgeon could hardly be doing a worse job. With Scotland’s geography we should be doing at least as well as similarly sized European countries. Places like Slovakia are more densely populated than Scotland. They are bordered by many more countries and they don’t have as generous a system of furlough and welfare as we do.

Yet despite all of these advantages Sturgeon and the SNP Government have through their mismanagement contrived to have more than ten times the deaths of Norway. They cannot even beat a poor landlocked Eastern European country like Slovakia.

SNP supporters will of course blame the English as they always do, but the Scottish Government controls health and education. There is no one else to blame, but Nicola Sturgeon.

Scotland is bottom of the league on Covid

A blog by Effie Deans

www.effiedeans.com

Pete

 

[Jim]

Guys I really do have better things to do on a Saturday morning, than delete 97 posts your childish political rubbish. If I have to keep doing it, I might conclude it's just easier to delete you. If you must go here, but on Fun please desist. Thanks

 

[scotzsue]

I wish all the governments would all use the same formula, but they won't so I thought I would post Scotland's guide.

Perhaps someone could add the England, Wales & Ireland versions onto this thread so that we can compare them.


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I am on the FB page for the village where I was born, still got a fair bit of family there too. One of the local councellors regularly posts any new Covid regs. wish our local area was as informative.

 

[WillH]

My apologies Jim.

 

[ShaKen]

Thanks Jim - I was looking forward to you stepping in!

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