Could this be the way to electric powered motorhomes...

[tonyidle]

how is it making the drivers environment better? How is it enabling night deliveries that arent already happening.

The first is the vast reduction in noise,not living with the smell of Diesel fuel, and not following others burning it (eventually). The second is the ability to deliver to sensitive areas where delivery times aren't currently available during the night because of noise problems.

 

[tonyidle]

Living up here in the Highlands, these electric vehicles are a bit of a joke.

The Sottish Greens make me laugh, phase out petrol and diesel by 2025 ? so as I drive a van for my living (being a builder) I wonder how I'm supposed to work ? I've just been to Lochcarron 80 miles each way, no where to charge up even if there was an electric van, it's all bollocks.

It doesn't matter - it has to change. If no end date is set no plans will be made and nothing will happen. In your case once charge points are available and your vehicle will run for, say, 150 miles between charges your needs will be met. We're not that far away from achieving that. If your van is stationery for 5+ hours during your working day you don't need a charge point - just access to a 13A socket. Before the end date most premises will have a dedicated charge point anyway for their own electric vehicles.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

The current offering of full EV's simply lack the range, unless you go for a Tesla, and then you lack the build quality! The place I am currently working at the bosses have Tesla's two model s and one model x, since I joined in August there hasn't been a single time that all 3 were fully working. At the moment all 3 are in for repairs for various things!

.....and the service back up is appalling. Spares made of unobtanium as well

 

[jongood]

The first is the vast reduction in noise,not living with the smell of Diesel fuel, and not following others burning it (eventually). The second is the ability to deliver to sensitive areas where delivery times aren't currently available during the night because of noise problems.

Modern trucks are neither smelly or noisy, the new Scanias are car like and Volvo are pretty close behind.

I don't believe that there are enough sensitive areas requiring night deliveries around to make any difference at all.

 

[Cheshirecat57]

Modern Scania and Volvo E6 trucks emit cleaner air in London than they are sucking in
But, 10 year old private hire Datsun/Toyotas are another thing, but that's harder to target politically

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[DanielFord]

.....and the service back up is appalling. Spares made of unobtanium as well

Happy to report that one the Model S's was delivered back this morning. However, at lunchtime, the door handles wouldn't pop out, so the boss couldn't open it, so at 4 o'clock it was once again on the back of a tow truck!

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Happy to report that one the Model S's was delivered back this morning. However, at lunchtime, the door handles wouldn't pop out, so the boss couldn't open it, so at 4 o'clock it was once again on the back of a tow truck!

Tesla unreliability is the stuff of legend..... great concept, utter crap build quality and service backup

 

[PeteH]

be really eco conscious about your last ride, choose a horse drawn hearse

But I wont be able to pick up the Horse poo for my Roses!

the future is full electric.....

So we shift the "pollutants" to a different source?

Certainly there are a lot of diesel electric propulsion ships, mostly passenger types due to space restrictions

My Grandson is currently working on a Diesel electric Cable Layer. But the fuel consumption is still what we had in the 60`s. Only now they use the more expensive Marine DO, instead of the "residual fuel oil" we used.

Battery technology/availability will be the next minor stumbling block

AND the cost and complexity of the disposal of the technology when it inevitably expires, currently said to be in some cases as little as 5 years for a Battery Pack?.

I`ve got a 40+ year old car in my garage, which will last another 40years with the correct maintenance, How`s that for a "cost effective", "Carbon Footprint"

 

[DuxDeluxe]

My Grandson is currently working on a Diesel electric Cable Layer. But the fuel consumption is still what we had in the 60`s. Only now they use the more expensive Marine DO, instead of the "residual fuel oil" we used.

This is my "zone" - marine fuels!! Was dragged back out of retirement because of all the changes in 2020

 

[TheBig1]

But I wont be able to pick up the Horse poo for my Roses!

Don't worry, the funeral director collects it all up and puts it in the grave under the coffin. Then for just once in your life you get dropped in the shit, but still come up smelling of roses

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[Gromett]

And me. I can't see the point in converting ICE power into electric power then back to a mechanical output. the only way it makes sense is if there's a small ICE optimised for generator use and probably running continuously to charge (what could possibly be) a smaller battery pack.

Erm, optimised like a power station is?

 

[tonyidle]

Erm, optimised like a power station is?

 

[tap6699]

I’ve got one for work and have been really impressed, given that the main reason for opting for it was the tax BIK saving. It has all the new driving aids, adaptive cruise, lane sensors, rear cross traffic sensors, auto wipers and the you are going to smash into the back of someone warning! I’ve got a bit of a lead foot but I’m still getting early 50’s mpg and a fair chunk of my mileage is motorway driving. I also have it in permanent sports mode as well. Only gripe is that I frequent petrol stations a lot more as the range on a full tank is only around 400 miles. It’s a great little car though!

 

[bfb]

After many years of asking manufacturers for the pollution rates attributed to the manufacture of these vehicles, German scientists have concluded that electric vehicles are the most polluting. No - not being driven but in production and disposal when the vehicle is broken up. Lithium batteries are very toxic. They will have to get something better to propel these vehicles.

 

[tap6699]

On that note when you add in the emissions (oil and coal) and waste (nuclear) involved in producing all this electricity then the government strategy makes no sense at all. I do also wonder how much it costs the environmental to build all the ‘green’ power options. Let’s all go back to diesel!!

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[tonyidle]

Never did drive a DAF Variomatic but they definitely didn't sound like this gem of a car....

DAF & modern CVT bear no resemblance to each other. The principle is the same but absolutely nothing else.

 

[pappajohn]

Our long term test Hyundai Ioniq plug-in petrol/ hybrid has now covered 11000 miles in 9 months
Average 66mpg with multiple drivers
It gets plugged in for full charge ( 3 pin normal ) 2 or 3 times a week

Hyundai/Kia have it nailed at the moment but others are threatening to catch up, and fast

Battery technology/availability will be the next minor stumbling block
But 26g/ km emissions will be hard to resist for co car users for 20/21 tax year

According to Hyundai my 1.7ltr diesel i40 is capable of 70 mpg..... Beat that with your Scalextric toy.
Oh how I wish. Been doing some regular 80 mile A road round trips and the computer says ave 45.4mpg.

 

[Bustup15]

While waiting at my local Fiat Professional dealer saw this sitting outside.

 

[MR. FUSION]

I thought it was just fuel only that was supposed to be phased out in 2040,

Martin

2030 something in Scotland, Madam Pi$$ & Vinegar always likes to appear to out do Westmonster

 

[MR. FUSION]

While waiting at my local Fiat Professional dealer saw this sitting outside.

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I might have a pop at the ASA on that as its definitely not zero emission, today its 50% gas cycle powered and in the winter (or high demand low wind ) coal will kick In.

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[MR. FUSION]

But I wont be able to pick up the Horse poo for my Roses!



So we shift the "pollutants" to a different source?



My Grandson is currently working on a Diesel electric Cable Layer. But the fuel consumption is still what we had in the 60`s. Only now they use the more expensive Marine DO, instead of the "residual fuel oil" we used.



AND the cost and complexity of the disposal of the technology when it inevitably expires, currently said to be in some cases as little as 5 years for a Battery Pack?.

I`ve got a 40+ year old car in my garage, which will last another 40years with the correct maintenance, How`s that for a "cost effective", "Carbon Footprint"

Indeed, buying a new car and scrapping a working old one is the worst thing for the environment.

 

[PeteH]

In theory Electric 4WD sounds quite appealing?. No more wheel spinning on wet grass etc; High Torque Motors to each wheel are computer controlled to give traction where best utilised.???

UNTIL it is realised that 1) the High Torque High Efficiency Motors require expensive rare elements which produce tons of pollutants in refining. 2) The battery packs are similarly afflicted (High cost mining and refining of material with massive pollutant by product). Running Internal combustion Engines on Hydrogen is less polluting! overall but expensive to produce. Maybe the answer is to use the "Clean Green" electricity to produce the hydrogen?. There is a scheme somewhere in the world where Carbon Capture is used on a power plant and the carbon introduced to "hot houses" and absorbed to the benefit of the Plant(s) being grown?.

 

[olley]

This is my "zone" - marine fuels!! Was dragged back out of retirement because of all the changes in 2020

Dragged? You flew back, fastest ever recorded speed of a duck, I heard you were overtaking swifts.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Dragged? You flew back, fastest ever recorded speed of a duck, I heard you were overtaking swifts.

.....not denying it. Hit Mach 2 at one stage and overtook an F-4 Phantom (my other hobby). They are developing battery powered ferries and Rhine barges right now. Thank goodness Lord Elon of Musk hasn’t become involved and it is being developed by sensible people.

 

[Grianan]

After many years of asking manufacturers for the pollution rates attributed to the manufacture of these vehicles, German scientists have concluded that electric vehicles are the most polluting. No - not being driven but in production and disposal when the vehicle is broken up. Lithium batteries are very toxic. They will have to get something better to propel these vehicles.

Exactly what our German friend was telling us. It’s also due to German electricity predominantly coming from fossil fuels. Not sure why solar and wind are not as popular.

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[PeteH]

Exactly what our German friend was telling us. It’s also due to German electricity predominantly coming from fossil fuels. Not sure why solar and wind are not as popular.

Ah! the Sun dosn`t shine on the 1000year Reich any more. And the French Pinched the wind?. ?

 

[MR. FUSION]

Not sure why solar and wind are not as popular.

They are unreliable and cannot provide a baseload supply, coal can !

 

[BusyBuilder]

As for every home will have a charge point, what about terraced street houses how are these people supposed to charge their vehicles ?
Lets face it there are millions of these homes across the country even in that there London

 

[Cheshirecat57]

As for every home will have a charge point, what about terraced street houses how are these people supposed to charge their vehicles ?
Lets face it there are millions of these homes across the country even in that there London

Not enough electric to go around at the moment for every home to have a charge point
And yes,terraced houses....a challenge

 

[BusyBuilder]

See this electric van got me thinking....Renault Master from £57,000 with 74 miles range. Not enough range for me, Inverness and back is nearly 60 miles without anything else like getting materials and supplies.
I wonder if the customer would let me hook up to charge the van ?

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