Could this be a workaround for the EU Pet Passport after 1 Jan 2021?

[emjaiuk]

As I understand it, it's been the case all along that a valid UK issued passport will be valid for re-entry into the UK, nothing has/will change in that respect.
However an AHC will be required by EU countries for entry into the EU. If you choose to do so, or if you do not have a valid Pet Passport, an AHC can be used for re-entry to the UK since it apparently has space for documenting the required worming treatment.
We've always coped with the timing requirement for French vet visits, so I would imagine it's not going to be to difficult to cope with the timing requirements for UK vet visits, and if it proves to be the case that more than one dog can be on an AHC it won't be quite the extra expense I originally thought.
Just one more grudge against those who hold a different view to myself.

 

[maz]

I beg to differ. That was not the previous wording. I am sure maz will have the screenshots.
It is not about the UK accepting them. It is about travelling from the UK. It is a page for UK residents after all, it is not one for EU citizens in the UK.
I don't even need one, Izzy has a Spanish passport. But I was pleased, to see, that the wording had changed in that way.
Janie.

Excellent, Janie - and well spotted.

The wording has changed as you have highlighted. Unfortunately I don’t have screenshots of the original wording (maybe someone else on here has?) but I can remember enough about it to know you are right. Many thanks for posting.

 

[maz]

If we're understanding it correctly - you can get an EU passport for your dog whilst in the EU, which gets around the need to have an AHC prior to leaving the UK?
Could make travelling a lot easier

This is what I hope we will be able to do.

 

[bobandjanie]

NOTE, the page for entering the UK is currently out of date (it says so) so they will be changing that very soon. Personally as the problem was entering the EU the page for entering the UK will be favourable to UK residents (particularly as if you used an EU passport to leave you will not have an AHC) Crossing fingers, Janie

 

[Potty]

If we're understanding it correctly - you can get an EU passport for your dog whilst in the EU, which gets around the need to have an AHC prior to leaving the UK?
Could make travelling a lot easier

The AHC is needed to enter the EU, so you would need to get that to go there to get your EU passport, always assuming an EU vet will issue you one.

The rabies booster is required annually in some EU countries, not every 3 years as in the UK, so unless a UK vet is prepared to vaccinate your dog and that the EU will accept that, you will have to return to the EU at about the same time every year for the booster.

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[maz]

The rabies booster is required annually in some EU countries, not every 3 years as in the UK, so unless a UK vet is prepared to vaccinate your dog and that the EU will accept that, you will have to return to the EU at about the same time every year for the booster.

Nooooo, if you already have an EU-issued (non-UK) pet passport do not allow a UK vet to vaccinate your dog against rabies. That will render it invalid.

It would be useful to compile a list of which EU countries require an annual rabies vaccination and which settle for 3-yearly. Perhaps I’ll start a separate thread for this.

 

[maz]

Separate vaccination regime thread now started here:

Rabies vaccination duration in different EU countries - help needed

 

[bobandjanie]

Please read the whole thing. Guidance updated December 31st 2020
Read in addition to previous link.

Taking your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad

Take your pet dog, cat or ferret abroad: getting a pet passport or export health certificate, microchip, vaccinations and tapeworm treatments.

www.gov.uk

Unless I see anything new I will shurrup. Janie

 

[maz]

I don't have screenshots of the previous pages, I am sure some people on here do. I can promise you....it never said what I have highlighted below. Janie

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maz

If we wait a few more days, it might be amended again to include ‘or a pet passport issued in the UK before 1 Jan 2021‘. Now wouldn’t that make sense?!

 

[bobandjanie]

If we wait a few more days, it might be amended again to include ‘or a pet passport issued in the UK before 1 Jan 2021‘. Now wouldn’t that make sense?!

This?

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[maz]

This? View attachment 454241

No, not that one - that’s about returning to the UK. This one:

Do try to keep up!

 

[Helen Ariel]

Well we have just phoned a vet in Portugal and they are going to issue us an eu PP tomorrow for 30e and will transfer across the rabies vacc. which has 2 years left to run. We will then see how we get on returning to the UK end of March. I'm willing to try it out and worst case scenario we will have a delay getting back in but we're not on a tight schedule.

 

[maz]

Well we have just phoned a vet in Portugal and they are going to issue us an eu PP tomorrow for 30e and will transfer across the rabies vacc. which has 2 years left to run. We will then see how we get on returning to the UK end of March. I'm willing to try it out and worst case scenario we will have a delay getting back in but we're not on a tight schedule.

That’s excellent news. Well done you!

Can I ask for the name and address of the vet that you will be using?

 

[Helen Ariel]

Beech is now the proud owner of an EU passport and we still have her uk one. We had to put an EU address in the new one and used the campsite address which the vet said is fine and doesn't have to match our address as she can potentially travel with anyone not just us so the address is pretty irrelevant. It's the chip and vaccination info that matter.

I'll update further when we attempt to use it to return to the UK late March.

 

[Jimbohorlicks]

Brilliant,did the EU vet transfer all the details over including jabs etc? And just to be really nosey ,what did the vet charge?
Sorry ,missed the earlier post ,30 euros seems to be a bargain compared to what UK vets are charging for the AHC.

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[Helen Ariel]

Brilliant,did the EU vet transfer all the details over including jabs etc? And just to be really nosey ,what did the vet charge?
Sorry ,missed the earlier post ,30 euros seems to be a bargain compared to what UK vets are charging for the AHC.

Yes rabies transferred over as it has 2 years left to run

 

[maz]

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Beech is now the proud owner of an EU passport and we still have her uk one. We had to put an EU address in the new one and used the campsite address which the vet said is fine and doesn't have to match our address as she can potentially travel with anyone not just us so the address is pretty irrelevant. It's the chip and vaccination info that matter.

I'll update further when we attempt to use it to return to the UK late March.

Well done - you are a trailblazer!

Interesting about using the campsite address - that will be an easy workaround for motorhomers.

 

[maz]

The following info has just come to light as I looked back through my files for info for the rabies vaccination thread, but it is highly relevant here. It is taken from the APHA ‘How to complete pet passports’ booklet.

It confirms that an owner does not need a permanent residential address to be issued with a pet passport. Hooray!

 

[bellabee]

I have to say maz , you've been very tenacious . Thank you for starting these threads.

 

[maz]

I have to say maz , you've been very tenacious . Thank you for starting these threads.

I’m part Rottweiler, part Chihuahua.

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[emjaiuk]

I can see the need for a new vets list of those who are willing to issue EU passports to English dogs at a reasonable cost.

BUT, and it's a big BUT, I'd still like confirmation that the French (for example) will accept EU passports for English dogs for entry into the EU. I still think this will be the biggest sticking point, it seems contradictory to us being part 2 listed.

This isn't specifically pet related, and may be slightly out of date, but some may find it interesting

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/file_import/travelling_en_6.pdf

This is pet related

EU legislation

This Regulation establishes a list of animal species to which harmonised animal health requirements apply when animals of those species are kept as pet animals and moved for non-commercial purposes.

ec.europa.eu

 

[maz]

BUT, and it's a big BUT, I'd still like confirmation that the French (for example) will accept EU passports for English dogs for entry into the EU. I still think this will be the biggest sticking point, it seems contradictory to us being part 2 listed.

Maybe the following will help. It’s taken from the gov.uk website - page headed Entry requirements: Travel between the UK and France.

If your pet passport was issued in an EU Member State it remains valid for travel to France.

Full page can be found here

 

[emjaiuk]

Maybe the following will help. It’s taken from the gov.uk website - page headed Entry requirements: Travel between the UK and France.

If your pet passport was issued in an EU Member State it remains valid for travel to France.

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Full page can be found here

I don't want to be unduly negative, we take two dogs 3/4 times a year in normal circumstances, BUT I can still see the French differentiating between an EU citizen returning home after a prolonged stay in the UK and a UK resident arriving in the EU for a holiday. Most statements I've seen, like the last pet paragraph above, can be open to interpretation if the fancy took them. We're going to have to get at least one AHC next time we travel, and by that time hopefully somebody will have tested the system.

 

[maz]

I don't want to be unduly negative, we take two dogs 3/4 times a year in normal circumstances, BUT I can still see the French differentiating between an EU citizen returning home after a prolonged stay in the UK and a UK resident arriving in the EU for a holiday. Most statements I've seen, like the last pet paragraph above, can be open to interpretation if the fancy took them. We're going to have to get at least one AHC next time we travel, and by that time hopefully somebody will have tested the system.

Ok, I get your point but I can only cope with a limited amount of pessimism at a time.

I shall continue with my outrageously optimistic opinion that the French will apply the same rules to Brits clutching EU-issued pet passports as they do to Americans, Australians and other Part 2 listed country nationals.

 

[maz]

And a further point which has just come to light, again in the rabies vaccination thread but relevant here:

The last paragraph is the interesting bit. If UK vets were able to issue pet passports to animals from Third Countries accompanied by an AHC, then there is no reason for EU vets not to do the same for us.

If anyone wants to read the full document, the latest edition (Aug 2020) can be found here:

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[Nigel P]

Surely you should've updated the PP to show you are the dog's owner now including the microchip tracking? If not and you lose your dog, when it's found you could have difficulty in proving it is yours even if you do have the PP as it is not shown in your name. Its not a risk I'd take with my dogs.

The passport is updated with my details but that does not change the fact that it was issued to someone who lived in an EU member state which is what the legislation specifies. Today I had confirmation from DEFRA that my EU pet passport was valid for travel to and from the EU, the only additional point they made was in relation to future pet passport entries which cannot currently be done by a UK vet.

 

[Potty]

Surely you should've updated the PP to show you are the dog's owner now including the microchip tracking? If not and you lose your dog, when it's found you could have difficulty in proving it is yours even if you do have the PP as it is not shown in your name. Its not a risk I'd take with my dogs.

Anybody living in the UK who has a dog that has an EU issued passport and whose dog was chipped there should probably check that their dog is registered on a UK based chip database. There is no international database, only country specific.

 

[Minxy]

The passport is updated with my details but that does not change the fact that it was issued to someone who lived in an EU member state which is what the legislation specifies. Today I had confirmation from DEFRA that my EU pet passport was valid for travel to and from the EU, the only additional point they made was in relation to future pet passport entries which cannot currently be done by a UK vet.

Ah, you didn't say in your other post that you had updated it with your ownership details thus I wasn't aware you had and hence my post.

Reading between the lines if your EU issued PP is still valid it would seem to support the argument that ANY EU issued PP should be acceptable in the UK ... but ... this still leaves the issue of getting the boosters entered into it which seems to suggest that in order to keep it valid they would have to be done by an EU OV so you'd have to time your trips to ensure you had this done at the appropriate time, or earlier if necessary. Obviously there's no reason why this can't be done at the same time as you visit a vet for the worming treatment before you return so long as it is carried out by an OV.

 

[maz]

Reading between the lines if your EU issued PP is still valid it would seem to support the argument that ANY EU issued PP should be acceptable in the UK ... but ... this still leaves the issue of getting the boosters entered into it which seems to suggest that in order to keep it valid they would have to be done by an EU OV so you'd have to time your trips to ensure you had this done at the appropriate time, or earlier if necessary. Obviously there's no reason why this can't be done at the same time as you visit a vet for the worming treatment before you return so long as it is carried out by an OV.

To me that is a very minor issue compared to all the farting about and expense incurred with AHCs. If you pick your country and/or vet wisely the boosters only need to be done every 3 years.

 

[Minxy]

To me that is a very minor issue compared to all the farting about and expense incurred with AHCs. If you pick your country and/or vet wisely the boosters only need to be done every 3 years.

Totally agree, its just something that those who have or get an EU PP need to remember to get done when on holiday.

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