Coronavirus and the NEC Motorhome Show

[DJT]

Sorry.... don’t get it? I meant mainstream media

(So did I) Sorry DuxDeluxe My attempt at humour ??

 

[DuxDeluxe]

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aaaaarrrrrggghh....... too early in the morning. And I must be thick! Cheers

 

[Deneb]

To put this in perspective, you are currently over 400 times more likely to be killed in a road traffic accident within the next 12 months than to come into contact with a 2019-nCoV infected individual in the UK.

I'm not suggesting that a crowded environment such as an NEC event is risk free for a person with a compromised immune system, but there are many more things that could constitute a far higher risk than nCoV infection, even though they might also be considered remote.

 

[pelican]

We are looking for our new van, and thought we might look at the NEC. Does this show get really busy with people from all over the country as I'm immune suppressed and am worried about being in contact with a lot of people?

Any crowd is a risk.

 

[buttons]

Interesting, that the guy at the forefront of the latest. Had nor even been to China?. He had been to a Conference in Singapore, went skiing in Switzerland? on his way home, where the Doctors from the Brighton surgery (closed yesterday) had been infected!.

Ah!! "ware all doomed Mr Mainwaring, Doomed, ah tel ya".

Please remove your shoes before entering the Motorhome.

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[jojo4]

Thanks for all your advice. What I don't understand is if it is just like influensa but less dangerous, why all the worldwide fuss. I think I will wait until next week to decide what to do. Thank you all

 

[Simon Select]

I am also worried. Rachel my beloved went back to London yesterday (She works there 4 days a week)
Her journey this week - Yesterday got train from Taunton to Paddington stuck on train for 6 hours due to the storm.
Get off at Paddington, get 2 tubes to her office by the Bank building. Get 4 tubes to our flat in South Woodford. This morning Get 5 Tubes to Heathrow, then get on plane and fly to Norway, meet lots of people then to the above in reverse.
It terrifies me to be honest. When Rachel gets Corona Virus, will her life insurance be enough to finish the extension, pay off the mortgage and buy a brand new RV? I will miss her, but I am 34, I am sure I will move on.....

 

[DuxDeluxe]

I am also worried. Rachel my beloved went back to London yesterday (She works there 4 days a week)
Her journey this week - Yesterday got train from Taunton to Paddington stuck on train for 6 hours due to the storm.
Get off at Paddington, get 2 tubes to her office by the Bank building. Get 4 tubes to our flat in South Woodford. This morning Get 5 Tubes to Heathrow, then get on plane and fly to Norway, meet lots of people then to the above in reverse.
It terrifies me to be honest. When Rachel gets Corona Virus, will her life insurance be enough to finish the extension, pay off the mortgage and buy a brand new RV? I will miss her, but I am 34, I am sure I will move on.....

Cruel but funny........ had me going until the last paragraph. I think also that your life is at this moment in slightly more danger than Rachel after she has read this.........

 

[DJT]

Don’t think I would worry to much about her catching C.V. She doesn’t stand still long enough!!?

DJT

 

[Deneb]

Thanks for all your advice. What I don't understand is if it is just like influensa but less dangerous, why all the worldwide fuss. I think I will wait until next week to decide what to do. Thank you all

Because as a new to humans coronavirus variant in the wild, this is our one and only chance to contain and prevent its spread, and hopefully eradicate it from the human population. If it is allowed to spread unhindered, no-one currently knows what might happen in future. There is some hope that it may be seasonal like flu. It is also possible that as it appears to be easily transmitted, it may remain relatively mild, again like flu. But if allowed to continue to spread from person to person on a large scale, unhindered, the propensity for it to mutate increases. It might then become more or less virulent. At the moment no-one knows, it is too early to say.

Flu is already "out there" and there is little we can do about that. Its mortality rate is normally relatively low, but it is still capable of causing the deaths of many thousands of people annually, and on occasions when it has mutated into a more serious variant, even millions.

Currently, nCoV appears to have a mortality rate of around 2% based on number of deaths vs confirmed infections, but extrapolated data based on what we know about infection spread suggests that there are likely to have been many more cases in China where those infected have had no or very mild symptoms which would make the mortality rate even lower. From what experts currently know and can extrapolate from other epidemic infection data, they are hopeful that if contained it will peak in Wuhan around April and decline thereafter, with other infection clusters in large cities in China peaking probably 2 months later.

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[Blue Knight]

Currently, nCoV appears to have a mortality rate of around 2% based on number of deaths vs confirmed infections....

If that 2% is based entirely on China's official death figures then I would rip up those stats now and stick them in the bin.

Over 1,000 dead so far eh? I would bung an extra zero on the end and change the 1 to a 2 or 3.

There's no way on this earth that only 1,000 have died in a 70,000,000-size quarantined operation.

 

[DuxDeluxe]

Because as a new to humans coronavirus variant in the wild, this is our one and only chance to contain and prevent its spread, and hopefully eradicate it from the human population. If it is allowed to spread unhindered, no-one currently knows what might happen in future. There is some hope that it may be seasonal like flu. It is also possible that as it appears to be easily transmitted, it may remain relatively mild, again like flu. But if allowed to continue to spread from person to person on a large scale, unhindered, the propensity for it to mutate increases. It might then become more or less virulent. At the moment no-one knows, it is too early to say.

Flu is already "out there" and there is little we can do about that. Its mortality rate is normally relatively low, but it is still capable of causing the deaths of many thousands of people annually, and on occasions when it has mutated into a more serious variant, even millions.

Currently, nCoV appears to have a mortality rate of around 2% based on number of deaths vs confirmed infections, but extrapolated data based on what we know about infection spread suggests that there are likely to have been many more cases in China where those infected have had no or very mild symptoms which would make the mortality rate even lower. From what experts currently know and can extrapolate from other epidemic infection data, they are hopeful that if contained it will peak in Wuhan around April and decline thereafter, with other infection clusters in large cities in China peaking probably 2 months later.

Yes, interesting article - especially where they say that many will be unreported due to the very mild nature of the symptoms. It definitely cuts both ways

 

[Grianan]

If that 2% is based entirely on China's official death figures then I would rip up those stats now and stick them in the bin.

Over 1,000 dead so far eh? I would bung an extra zero on the end and change the 1 to a 2 or 3.

There's no way on this earth that only 1,000 have died in a 70,000,000-size quarantined operation.

Spot on Andrew. A country that refused to acknowledge the presence of the virus for 2 months and threatened those that spoke up about it absolutely cannot be trusted to be releasing accurate information. Interesting, but hopefully irrelevant, also that it originated in the city that houses the world renowned Wuhan Institute of Virology.

 

[Grianan]

This really makes sense....



You are advised to remain indoors to avoid public contact if you have just returned from certain counties.... China, Korea, Japan etc.
But its OK to shuffle your kids off to school.
To me that opens up the possibilies of it spreading via close contact with school friends.

I teach. This week is February half term and many of our children and staff are flying off on holiday. Am I apprehensive? Absolutely.

 

[Puddleduck]

It is your decision.

I would not go as the show does get really busy but I caught a bug at a craft show in November and am still not recovered.

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[Soozywoozy]

All crowded places are an infection risk especially if you are immuno compromised. You are at higher risk of getting “standard flu” than CV or just a bog standard cold. If you are desperate to go perhaps consider weekday over weekends and then either be there at open doors or later afternoon when less crowded. Wear gloves, and do not touch any taps, loo flushes or any doors and handles.. If you have to use a tissue when touching any of these. Use elbows to open doors if you can. Take hand sanitiser and use it all the time. Decline hand shakes

 

[Jubjann]

Quoting the old saying - Your health is your wealth ... don’t stress it.
nCoV is a public health concern.

 

[peterc10]

Thanks for all your advice. What I don't understand is if it is just like influensa but less dangerous, why all the worldwide fuss. I think I will wait until next week to decide what to do. Thank you all

BUT you should know that this strain is particularly dangerous for the old and feeble.

Given the demographic of MHF Jim must be really worried about his future income stream ..................

 

[Soozywoozy]

Thanks for all your advice. What I don't understand is if it is just like influensa but less dangerous, why all the worldwide fuss. I think I will wait until next week to decide what to do. Thank you all

Sounds very sensible. The fuss is because it is so easily spread by people who are not particularly symptomatic, which is fine for them but not if they spread it. They may have a bit of a runny nose, tickly throat etc but feel generally ok. With normal flu, people are bed bound (the old adage can you get out of bed to pick up a £50 note - if no, you’ve got flu)/ With the common cold it is also obvious - lots of sneezing, runny nose, sore throat and you don't feel like going out but can soldier on if need be.

 

[Deneb]

If that 2% is based entirely on China's official death figures then I would rip up those stats now and stick them in the bin.

Over 1,000 dead so far eh? I would bung an extra zero on the end and change the 1 to a 2 or 3.

There's no way on this earth that only 1,000 have died in a 70,000,000-size quarantined operation.

OK, so let's say that China is not to be trusted.

In the rest of the world, there have been 319 confirmed cases reported as of yesterday. A 2% mortality rate would suggest that there should be up to 6 deaths amongst that number. There has been one. You are suggesting there should have been far more. Hong Kong not included, as the WHO includes Hong Kong figures in the total for China, but one additional death in HK.

Let's not let the facts get in the way of FUD though

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[carolyn]

Darling daughter is due to fly to Singapore tonight for a few days, she is terribly worried about the implications of the Coronavirus. If her trip gets cancelled bang goes her shopping expedition to the biggest Zara in the world!!! One does need to get the absolute risks in perspective, mind you she is flying there from Bangladesh so there are are plenty of other things far more likely to kill her there.

If my immune system was compromised by cancer, steroids or other drugs or diseases I would ask my doctor or nurse specialist for their expert advice rather than us well meaning folk on Motorhomefun.

 

[pappajohn]

If you're at all worried about catching Corona just suck on a lime.

 

[Herbyventures]

I would not take a chance on any large gatherings if immune suppressed, not only because of Corona Virus but ordinary flu. My son who lives and works in London and his friends have all just had Swine Flu! Apparently it is now common, just not talked about because it's now commonplace and a lot of us have immunity.

 

[joemocks79]

I have numerous bloomin' illnesses and am going got plenty of handgel and I could always breakout the old facemask if there's lots of people from the affected parts of the world there but most people will be like most of us
Caucasian and older people

The threat of catching this virus doesn't only come from people who aren't Caucasian. Most of the cases in the UK are Caucasians, either those who've travelled to the region or those who have come into contact with those who have like people in bars or doctors surgeries. It's a bad misconception that you only need to avoid people who appear ethnically Asian and assume they are the only people carrying this virus. It's been fairly nasty how some people have been prejudiced or insulted by members of the public as if they're toxic.

 

[triky]

Spot on Andrew. A country that refused to acknowledge the presence of the virus for 2 months and threatened those that spoke up about it absolutely cannot be trusted to be releasing accurate information. Interesting, but hopefully irrelevant, also that it originated in the city that houses the world renowned Wuhan Institute of Virology.

BUT ,,it is also an area that houses the open markets ,where animals of ALL types are sold for humans to eat,cooked or not.There is a blog exposing the " Fat Burger" and " Gully Oil" ,where unscrupulous street vendors collect those items from sewers and drains close to restaurant outlets (picture evidence ) to use as a medium for cooking !! ?? Is it NO WONDER that such a disease is rife from there ?? !! YEUK !! Sorry if you're eating just now !!

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[Madcaravanner]

The threat of catching this virus doesn't only come from people who aren't Caucasian. Most of the cases in the UK are Caucasians, either those who've travelled to the region or those who have come into contact with those who have like people in bars or doctors surgeries. It's a bad misconception that you only need to avoid people who appear ethnically Asian and assume they are the only people carrying this virus. It's been fairly nasty how some people have been prejudiced or insulted by members of the public as if they're toxic.

Now I mentioned that most people at the show would be caucasian
AND at the time I wrote it the super carrier had not surfaced even in France, where he stopped over

I did not mention Asia deliberately as I was aware of it's spread at that time

AND I agree there is far too much prejudice in the world, I am a retired Trained Male Nurse and have seen far too many ignorant people who can't controls theirs, when colleagues of alternative origin, try to care for them, and also people who assume that a male nurse has to be gay.