CMC Campsites Post Lockdown #2

[Jake vE]

So it looks like it all comes down to being in Tier 1 and 2. Good luck everyone!

 

[Spriddler]

Interesting.
Giving the source of any information is helpful.
(Unless it was from Faecesbook).

 

[Jake vE]

Interesting.
Giving the source of any information is helpful.
(Unless it was from Faecesbook).

Apologies, I have actually started a separate thread on it and the source is definitely not Facebook!

Gov uk data as link below

COVID-19 Winter Plan

The government's plan for managing COVID-19 through the winter.

www.gov.uk

 

[gus-lopez]

Try reading

Many have to work.

 

[SD j]

So it looks like it all comes down to being in Tier 1 and 2. Good luck everyone! View attachment 442909

So how does this square with visiting family members over Christmas out of area?

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[Solwaybuggier]

So how does this square with visiting family members over Christmas out of area?

I think they’re talking about suspending (or partially suspending?) those rules for a defined period over Christmas.

 

[Deep Owl]

So how does this square with visiting family members over Christmas out of area?

All bets are off over Christmas, for about 5-6 days; that is the trade-off THEY are allowing us in return for house arrest till the end of March. It will all be in tiers; THEY say these will be reviewed fortnightly!?

It’s in the Winter Plan as per #63 above, I have just read it, all 64 pages!

 

[Jake vE]

So how does this square with visiting family members over Christmas out of area?

Well under the rules coming in to force as of the 4th, if you're in 1 & 2 you can go between the two but can't go into 3 and if you're in 3 you can't go anywhere.

In terms of Christmas I suppose it depends on what they settle on in the next couple of days

 

[David and Sally]

All bets are off over Christmas, for about 5-6 days; that is the trade-off THEY are allowing us in return for house arrest till the end of March. It will all be in tiers; THEY say these will be reviewed fortnightly!?

It’s in the Winter Plan as per #63 above, I have just read it, all 64 pages!

What would you do differently then?

 

[Deep Owl]

What would you do differently then?

I would have everything go back to normal. I know nobody of my age so selfish as to expect young people have so many aspects of their lives taken away so as to give me a bit longer “alive”. If I live to the same age as my father, I have 8% left, but I currently don’t feel as if I am alive, just existing.

To go over the same arguments again is pointless. If you need or want to shield, do so; nobody is stopping you. But, for example, to be forbidding families from hugging their demented relatives in care homes is inhuman; my wife works in one, and the staff are all horrified by this.

The figures say all that is needed. Of all the deaths, only about 40 out of nearly 50 000, under the age of 40 with no other co-morbidities, have died. I am sorry for them, but more people die each day from accidents.
This virus is currently only the 18th commonest day-by-day cause of death in this country.

I’m retired and have had this lethal virus. What makes me fearful, angry and upset is what is happening to those who are not having cancer investigated or treated, heart disease the same, a huge increase in suicides already ( and we haven’t yet started on the redundancies, home repossessions, etc which will come along when furlough ends in the Spring), etcetera, etcetera. Children missing schooling and healthy sport.

Enough.

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[David and Sally]

So basically, let it rip? Overload the NHS? Let thousands die?
That’s going to get the CMC sites open isn’t it?
But I hear your arguments.

Anyway, on topic I’m looking for some sensible touring before and around Christmas. Within the law, both the letter of and spirit off.

 

[Deep Owl]

No, the NHS is nowhere near overloaded. The Nightingale units had a 1.3% occupancy. 99.8%of cases get over it, even 80 and 90 year olds. If it’s not your time, it’s not your time!

 

[David and Sally]

No, the NHS is nowhere near overloaded. The Nightingale units had a 1.3% occupancy. 99.8%of cases get over it, even 80 and 90 year olds. If it’s not your time, it’s not your time!

Isn’t that because of the various restrictions? No restrictions equals the virus ripping through the population. That would overpower the NHS. Glad you are not in charge

 

[Jim]

Stupid post there is a vaccine on the way.

Stupid comment there are vaccines on the way

Can you dial down the stupid and post within the rules. You've been here long enough to know them. Thanks

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[DuxDeluxe]

No, the NHS is nowhere near overloaded. The Nightingale units had a 1.3% occupancy. 99.8%of cases get over it, even 80 and 90 year olds. If it’s not your time, it’s not your time!

.......and enough fit and well staff to run them? Facilities are fine - the big challenge is getting able and qualified people to run them

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[RobbyMClark]

I wonder if the original poster is regretting asking the original question.??

 

[Deep Owl]

.......and enough fit and well staff to run them? Facilities are fine - the big challenge is getting able and qualified people to run them

I read that currently 37%of NHS staff are off sick or self-isolating - which is probably why THEY are reducing isolation from 14 to 5 days. They’re plucking numbers out of the air.

As for the restrictions working? My area has gone from negligible to one off the highest in the country during this second lockdown. Lockdown is obviously working so well, we’ll continue it till next Easter. Definition of madness!

The real problem is that there are too many people packed into this tiny island. Unless you are a hermit you will never get away from the rest, and when you come out again the virus is still waiting to jump you! Bojo cannot control a virus.

“Let it rip” is such a useless, emotive, phrase. We never use it for influenza epidemics. Why this time? What is different about this virus? Yes, it is new and appears to target the old and infirm - I wonder if they will find out why - but it is no more deadly than influenza, and as has been said so many times before, at least 99.8% of people get over it, most even without the improvements in medical treatment.

 

[Wanders from Glos]

Hello, I'm the OP on this thread and it seems to have gone off track a little, however I can understand feelings running high during these stressful times. We all tend to respond to big events from a personal perspective which is only natural, and we are no different The Tinca's will be temporarily living in the van full time after lockdown having recently sold our bungalow, so we think it reasonable to want to camp in the area we wish to buy a new home in. Living in a van seems to us socially responsible, especially on CMC sites where people seem to keep to themselves even without Covid. So what do you think, are we good guys or bad guys.....?

The Tincas

We are in exactly the same boat, sold our house and now living in the van because purchases have fallen through. We are 'locked in' on a site in Gloucestershire and there are three others like us. We have booked in to the CAMC site at Moreton for a change of scene. Still Gloucestershire, and hopefully the same tier.

 

[Aerialmark]

We have booked a C&MHC site in Norfolk for the 28th to the 2nd of Jan but like the holiday in October we don't think we will be allowed to go as i think we will remain in tier 3 post lockdown. Its not the end of the world as we will get away at some point next year and at least this time we won't lose £125 !

 

[Wanders from Glos]

No, the NHS is nowhere near overloaded. The Nightingale units had a 1.3% occupancy. 99.8%of cases get over it, even 80 and 90 year olds. If it’s not your time, it’s not your time!

As an aside, I have been seconded to support paramedics driving front line ambulances, because as a firefighter I have some of the clinical and blue lights skills. Make no mistake the NHS is very stretched, I see it at the hospitals and it is the reason I am helping out. I doubt there are the staff to work in the Nightingale hospitals particularly with a vaccination programme, and it would be much worse without the restrictions. Secondly it is not just a question of protecting the older generation, people like me are at risk every time we transport or attend a COVID patient or someone who is asymptomatic and just happens to be there. I do understand what you are saying, but even treating the older generations exposes front line workers including teachers and shop workers, and whilst we accept the risk we would rather not have those risks increased unnecessarily. Yes, the younger people are more able to cope, but it is still very unpleasant for them and a life risk for those who have asthma or diabetes.

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[Deep Owl]

Yes, the younger people are more able to cope, but it is still very unpleasant for them and a life risk for those who have asthma or diabetes.

See my post #70. By “younger people” I actually mean under about the age of 50 to 60. I include children, students, young adults with or without children, people in their prime of the 40s and 50s whose prospects are being sacrificed to protect the elderly and/or infirm who I hope can make their peace with their illness or age. Not that I have a desire for any of them to succumb!

I do appreciate that you are using your skills as a firefighter to help the NHS and the risks you face. I don’t know how old you are, and I know that early in this episode quite a few health workers died, but if you are in otherwise good health, your risk is low, particularly as treatments have improved with knowledge of the virus and its effects. I have limited blue light experience, the worst supervising a man who was fitting every minute on a journey to a specialist Neurological Unit.

Incidentally, tonight’s local news showed pictures of a teenage wrestler who has just died of COVID-19. Sadly, he was hugely obese, despite his age and possible fitness, just the sort of candidate for a bad outcome.

 

[Deep Owl]

UPDATE

Latest data show Covid-19 survival rate Worldwide 99.963%, for Northern Europe 99.9372%

 

[cbrookson]

Northern Europe 99.9372%

That's awful - assuming a UK population of 70 million people (we are Northern Europe) that equates to 440 000 deaths in the UK alone. Hope it's not true.

Cheers

 

[glenn2926]

That's awful - assuming a UK population of 70 million people (we are Northern Europe) that equates to 440 000 deaths in the UK alone. Hope it's not true.

Cheers

Providing of course that everyone gets it.

 

[2x2camper]

Providing of course that everyone gets it.

Which is what the lockdowns and tiers are trying to stop

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[Deep Owl]

That's awful - assuming a UK population of 70 million people (we are Northern Europe) that equates to 440 000 deaths in the UK alone. Hope it's not true.

Cheers

My maths was never good, but I get a figure 10x smaller, i.e. 43 960, which seems about what we have.

You are Professor Ferguson and I claim my £5.

 

[cbrookson]

I get a figure 10x smaller, i.e. 43 960, which seems about what we have.

Sorry, did it on the population of Europe which is claimed to be 700 million. Should have checked my facts and typing Not just the UK ....
Cheers

 

[Pekepal]

Only for old people.

May you live to be one.