Clean air fine Sheffield

[PaulyP]

1. Local councils can not to anything unless parliament has passed legislation allowing them to do so.
2. Parliament decided that CAZs were desirable in areas where the air quality was lower than standards decided by parliament.
3. Local councils are allowed to make proposals for their own areas but they have to be approved by the relevant government minister.

Just because you might not like to believe that because it doesn't suit makes no difference.

The government were taken to court by shyster American layers who declare themselves as “client earth” a so called charity whose sole aim is to make money, they therefore had to call on all areas to have clean air zones, most of which were already, charging for clean air zones was was to be an absolute last resort, but most of them saw it as a first resort, you may drive a caz compliant vehicle and say I’m doing my bit so it won’t affect me - until it is replaced with pay per mile, the whole thing has nothing to do with pollution or clean air it’s all to do with forms of taxation.

 

[GJH]

No of course no examples, but surely you will acknowledge the need for extra staff?

That will require recruitment which is difficult currently and given my total lack of faith in councils then they will need help with the recruitment.

What is guaranteed is that there will be a cash surplus, so let me put it another way, What do you think will be done with the cash surplus?

PS it was not clear if you were talking about recruitment or council inefficiencies, so I answered about recruitment as even the most bleary-eyed supporters of local government would surely acknowledge the inefficiencies.

I don't know whether there will be a need for extra staff or not but if there is then that is a consequence of the application of national legislation - something (one would hope) which government ministers would take into account when approving schemes. Employment is, of course, a good thing.
As to inefficiencies, they occur in every organisation 9as has already been explored further up the thread).

 

[GJH]

The government were taken to court by shyster American layers who declare themselves as “client earth” a so called charity whose sole aim is to make money, they therefore had to call on all areas to have clean air zones, most of which were already, charging for clean air zones was was to be an absolute last resort, but most of them saw it as a first resort, you may drive a caz compliant vehicle and say I’m doing my bit so it won’t affect me - until it is replaced with pay per mile, the whole thing has nothing to do with pollution or clean air it’s all to do with forms of taxation.

ClientEarth is an environmental organisation headquartered in London with other offices in Brussels, Warsaw, Berlin, Beijing, Madrid and Los Angeles. As only one of those locations is in the USA then the term "shyster American layers" (sic) seems to be somewhat far fetched.
The organisation was founded in 2007/8, several years after the Transport Act 2000 was passed and broadly coincident with the implementation of the first LEZ in London (as the Mayor of London in 2008 when the LEZ was introduced was Boris Johnson perhaps that is where the "shyster American" reference fits more aptly).
The court case was not brought until 2011, some three years after the London LEZ had proved itself so worthwhile that is was about to be extended. The Supreme Court agreed that the UK government needed to implement the provisions of the 2000 Act and should have done so earlier - i.e. that ClientEarth was perfectly correct in insisting that the law of the land be upheld.

 

[Coolcats]

According to TFL I have to pay £12,50 a day for the London ULEZ. But for all the other areas I have to pay at least £50 with Bristol and Bath it is £100

London is a bargain then

 

[PaulyP]

ClientEarth is an environmental organisation headquartered in London with other offices in Brussels, Warsaw, Berlin, Beijing, Madrid and Los Angeles. As only one of those locations is in the USA then the term "shyster American layers" (sic) seems to be somewhat far fetched.
The organisation was founded in 2007/8, several years after the Transport Act 2000 was passed and broadly coincident with the implementation of the first LEZ in London (as the Mayor of London in 2008 when the LEZ was introduced was Boris Johnson perhaps that is where the "shyster American" reference fits more aptly).
The court case was not brought until 2011, some three years after the London LEZ had proved itself so worthwhile that is was about to be extended. The Supreme Court agreed that the UK government needed to implement the provisions of the 2000 Act and should have done so earlier - i.e. that ClientEarth was perfectly correct in insisting that the law of the land be upheld.

The only things thing the London lez has proved success in is raising money for a corrupt mayor and council. Whilst you are googling facts that are there to convince you it’s all in your favour you may find you need to go a lot deeper to find out the truth, I’ll leave it at that as you are are obviously not going to be convinced otherwise and I’m going for a meeting in Manchester with guys I used to work offshore with, over 25 years ago, for a boozy afternoon reunion.

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[Alsatian]

Is a dee dah Sheffield or Rotherham?

Sheffield.
I worked at a car dealership on the boundary of Sheffield & Chesterfield, our quote was "what's the best thing to come out of Sheffield"?
Answer "the A61 into Chesterfield"!

Dons hard hat and runs for cover!

 

[gus-lopez]

£70 fine & he was only in the zone for about 500m. It took a month to be sent out.

If it was over 28 days then he had a reason to appeal. There is basically no time limit on council Penalty charge notices but 28 days is the maximum expected

The other day we went on a long distance trip we hadn't done before so, having seen the widespread publicity about zones around the country, checked the registration number on the -Broken Link Removed- beforehand.
It's easy enough, far easier for instance than checking for narrow roads or low bridges on the planned route.

Now imagine i wish to do that when I am in the UK? Basically I cannot because as foreign scum we are illegally required to register, with copies of all relevant documents , before we are allowed in to any of the areas. It should be the same as any other country whereby everyone has to obtain a sticker & register otherwise it differentiates between nationals & foreigners & was tottally ilegal under eu rules. You can't use something obtained by membership of the eu , then leave but retain it whilst scamming the foreigners.

Yes. Diesel particulates are the killer

& ? people die.They are going to die anyway.If they were due to die today ,sidestepping the diesel fumes won't save them.Something else will get them.

The problem for us is that to get to Castleton from where we are it is on the almost diametrically opposite side of the city. Before the direct route through the centre was fairly short and straightforward. Now we have to got through the suburbs, taking longer, going further on roads not designed to take the traffic and polluting more - just not in the centre.

& if hgv rules are the same for PHGV then you can't drive in a straight line but must exit to the outer ring road go around & come back in-The same as hgv's are required to do. Nonsensical

Our MH is registered in Poland as Vintage/Historic, even though only 20 years old. I wonder if it is exempt?

Even if it is you still have to register it with each & every emission zone council sepearately.Which was the basis of my complaint to the european union in that the use of anpr for nationals whilst requiring foreigners to register was completly opposite to the eu directive stating that there should be no difference between treatment of either. therefore everyone should have to register. Unfortunately brexit got in the way

And there in lies the get out clause, their signs MUST meet minimum criteria in law, They must be clear, They must inform you of what is expected of you, and they must have contact details on them (There are more, but I'm on holiday and can't be bothered looking them up).

& the ULEZ signs have been found to be illegal.

As stated, what is allowed is in the Transport Act 2000. Schedule 12 is the relevant part of the Act.

Basically reading that then it can't be spent on anything.

 

[WESTY66]

Sheffield.
I worked at a car dealership on the boundary of Sheffield & Chesterfield, our quote was "what's the best thing to come out of Sheffield"?
Answer "the A61 into Chesterfield"!

Dons hard hat and runs for cover!

Oooh Audi or autoworld?

 

[Debs]

If it was over 28 days then he had a reason to appeal. There is basically no time limit on council Penalty charge notices but 28 days is the maximum expected

Ive just mentioned this to Rob Richard, he didn't check what the actual number of days was. Probably best he doesn't now as he's bitten the bullet & paid both fines!

 

[GJH]

Basically reading that then it can't be spent on anything.

Understanding as well as reading is required.

Now imagine i wish to do that when I am in the UK? Basically I cannot because as foreign scum we are illegally required to register, with copies of all relevant documents , before we are allowed in to any of the areas. It should be the same as any other country whereby everyone has to obtain a sticker & register otherwise it differentiates between nationals & foreigners & was tottally ilegal under eu rules. You can't use something obtained by membership of the eu , then leave but retain it whilst scamming the foreigners.

Illegally? Under what legislation?
Don't blame me for the UK leaving the EU. I wasn't misguided enough to vote for that. It doesn't make the difference illegal though.

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[Alsatian]

Oooh Audi or autoworld?

Audi - VW - Citroen - Honda - Porsche - SAAB - MAN etc

 

[gus-lopez]

Understanding as well as reading is required.

Illegally? Under what legislation?
Don't blame me for the UK leaving the EU. I wasn't misguided enough to vote for that. It doesn't make the difference illegal though.

EU directives which the Uk have so far retained for there own use but left out the fact that they are treating the foreigners differently from there own nationals.

 

[gpat]

& ? people die.They are going to die anyway.If they were due to die today ,sidestepping the diesel fumes won't save them.Something else will get them.

That's a strange attitude to life and premature death

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[GJH]

EU directives which the Uk have so far retained for there own use but left out the fact that they are treating the foreigners differently from there own nationals.

I think you misunderstand the law.
Under the legislation which enabled the UK to abandon its membership of the EU, the UK parliament can decide which elements of EU legislation it wishes to keep and which is wishes to change. There is no obligation to treat EU citizens the same as UK citizens.
There is a difference between what is legal and what is morally corrupt.